Thread: Economic Ignorance in Recent H-1b Decision

Here's a guy over on Immigration Voice who is starting to get the point. Needless to say, he's in the minority. They have discovered NumbersUSA and are discussing them.

Even though they are also past immigrants.
They are telling that too much immigration is not good. Currently more than 1 million green cards are given per year in all categories. Can it be increased to 10 million every year? No one can allow that. So how much immigrants can be absorbed without affecting existing persons? That congress has to decide. So every pro immigration group are asking almost unlimited green cards. Most anti immigration groups are asking to limit or maintain same level of immigrants. So it is on the court of congress to take right decision but congress has to consider which is good for the country.

In the case of moderate EB reform without increasing H1b will not increase the numbers as Most H1b persons are going to stay here anyhow because of AC21. Recapture bill will have almost no impact.So IV and Corporations have good case for this. But anti immigrants are having a different view as they may fear that if they allow this more immigration reforms will follow.

And, as a footnote to that, the operative irony in all this is, that once they get what they want (or close to it), a GC/citizenship, then they find themselves odd bedmates of sort because then they, too will be targets of 'American replacement syndrome'.

That's very true:

I am not surprised at all. Look at people around you, who are not even immigrants as yet, who does not want fellow immigrants come in.

Originally Posted by PhredE

Plus, and this is a basic point I reiterate ad nauseum, is a lot of this problem has it's roots not in 'global competition', 'the marketplace', but in basic demographics: India population: 1.1 billion, US population 305 million.
Does it stand to reason that India produces 3 or 4 times the number of IT / engineers than does the US? Well duh!

And it is set up so that no matter how low a skilled American citizen is willing to work for, there are one or two Indians willing to work for a little less in a negative bid process, again and again, until nobody is getting paid anything. I shudder to think of what I would find if I did a google search on Indian graduate engineers working as "unpaid" interns at major corporations while their spouses work at donut shops or get monthly checks from the parents back home. Boggles the mind.

Originally Posted by millere

Originally Posted by PhredE

Plus, and this is a basic point I reiterate ad nauseum, is a lot of this problem has it's roots not in 'global competition', 'the marketplace', but in basic demographics: India population: 1.1 billion, US population 305 million.
Does it stand to reason that India produces 3 or 4 times the number of IT / engineers than does the US? Well duh!

And it is set up so that no matter how low a skilled American citizen is willing to work for, there are one or two Indians willing to work for a little less in a negative bid process, again and again, until nobody is getting paid anything. I shudder to think of what I would find if I did a google search on Indian graduate engineers working as "unpaid" interns at major corporations while their spouses work at donut shops or get monthly checks from the parents back home. Boggles the mind.

And they want absolutely unrestricted access to our job market, and were trying to use the WTO to strongarm their way past any remaining barriers.

Originally Posted by BetsyRoss

And they want absolutely unrestricted access to our job market, and were trying to use the WTO to strongarm their way past any remaining barriers.

It is called "Mode 4" and it is the attempt by the WTO to call low-wage third world laborers "service providers" in an attempt to claim that they are not immigrants. It would apply to any and all job descriptions in the US and a laborer would simply claim that they were wanted by a "temp" agency and then they could show up. My impression was that when the United Arab Emirates were trying to take over our port security (thanks to president Bush's urging) that they were hoping that US shipping ports would enable the offboarding and onslaught of thousands and thousands of immigrant "service providers" as the UAE is now trying to get into offshoring and temporary migrant workers in a big way. The language that really describes the WTO proposal is hidden away as carefully as possible and some members of the government are trying to clear the roadblocks necessary to get this done right now. There is even a proposal to make government funds available for lawsuits if a 'service provider' can claim that he was discriminated against in the hiring process!!! (and remember that Ted Kennedy wanted this tax-payer funded lawsuit process for illegal aliens and gang members as part of the comprehensive immigration reform that failed).

http://www.domain-b.com/management/cons ... leads.html

The Middle East and Africa appear to be the next frontier in offshoring as countries such as Egypt, Jordan, United Arab Emirates and Ghana perform well.


http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives ... 06sen.html

Legalizing Human Trafficking

Current WTO negotiations threaten to worsen the already precarious lot of migrant workers around the globe.

The General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS), now being negotiated in the World Trade Organization (WTO), is likely to reduce migrant workers to the status of commodities. "Mode 4" of GATS deals with "movement of natural persons," i.e., the migration of people to foreign countries as workers. (Mode 4 of the GATS is one small part within the entire scope of the WTO; see "A Map of the WTO.") GATS Mode 4 does not deal with immigration, as in people from one country moving to, and settling down in, another. It deals only with temporary migrants, who go to a foreign country to work for a limited (often specified) time, for a particular job with a particular employer or to fulfill a specific contract. This category of workers is often called guestworkers.

Guestworkers: A Growing Global Presence

As of 2003, there were 175 million people worldwide (or about 3% of the world's population) living and working outside of their countries of origin, according to International Labor Organization (ILO) estimates. Of this number, 120 million were guestworkers and their families; the rest were permanent immigrants, refugees, or asylum seekers. The global guestworker population has doubled in less than 30 years and, according to the ILO, will likely double again over the next quarter century.

Some countries, notably in the Persian Gulf region, have a strikingly large population share of guestworkers. In two countries, United Arab Emirates and Kuwait, guestworkers form the majority of the population (74% and 58% respectively). Among countries of origin, Mexico and the Philippines send the most guestworkers abroad.

There is every chance, however, that Mode 4 will be expanded to cover low-skill workers as well. For one thing, governments from countries that rely on guestworkers for most low-skill jobs (such as United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia) as well as from countries that rely heavily on remittances from low-skill emigrants (such as Mexico, El Salvador, and the Philippines) are likely to push hard for expanding Mode 4 to cover a wider range of occupations down the skill ladder.

How can it be a coincidence that the UAE wanted to take over our ports and ship low wage slaves around the world?