Thread: Illegal gets $48K, Says he was assaulted by Agents

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by JBParrothead

Since when does our Constitution guarantee illegal aliens the rights of a U.S. citizen?

Now it's legal for illegal aliens to resist arrest from law enforcement and be paid by the U.S. government to do that! Hey, any U.S. citizen here dumb enough to try and resist arrest? If you're lucky, you could hit the jackpot for breaking the law. Illegals hit the jackpot for coming here illegally and NOW for resisting arrest...is this a great country or what!?! (For illegal aliens that is) No wonder they keep coming here, we pay them and reward them generously to break our laws!! We're all effin brain dead to allow this to continuously go on!

Illegal Aliens are a new favored, preferred, protected class of Untouchables, special people with special rights, that no authority can or will "touch" without penalty or serious repercussion. This shows how powerful the people behind illegal aliens really are. They own our judges, governors, Congress, the White House, our CEO's, unions, media and even our State Bars. The only group they don't own are US citizens, which is why we are the only hope for America. They also don't own all the Sheriffs, Police Chiefs and State Troopers yet. That's why US citizens must align with our Sheriffs, Police Chiefs and State Highway Patrol organizations to stop illegal immigration by advancing an aggressive local and state deportation program that triggers the motivation for illegal alien self-deportations and start this immediately, while hammering on the Feds for expanded funding of the 287 (g) program, but not waiting for it.

And look how they deceived even many US citizens! There are many US citizens even several on this board who are afraid of enforcing US immigration law if it means deportation because they're worried about their "civil rights", when US citizens are being beaten, shot, murdered and tased to death in their homes and work places for doing nothing wrong. Do these same citizens think we should abandon the arrest and detainment of all people who are suspected of breaking our laws because we might in the course of it get in a scuffle with them during an arrest? Name me 1 illegal alien or their pet, unarmed, shot or tased to death, during a warranted search or arrest. I've not heard of 1, yet the horrifying stories about the maltreatment of US citizens would fill an encyclopedia.

Stop this nonsense. Get serious. Lets get with our Sheriffs, Police Chiefs and State Troopers, then investigate, hunt them down, get search/arrest warrants, find them, arrest them, book them, get them a deportation hearing to verify their illegal status, get them out of here and keep them out. It's not complicated. It's very very simple. Meanwhile we'll also keep doing all the other things we want to do, prosecute employers and aiders and abetters, smugglers and harborers. We'll pass the FairTax to make it impossible for them to live here economically. We'll use the FairTax to shut down their advocacy groups by cutting off their funding. We'll legalize/regulate/tax under the FairTax the illegal drug trade which severs the relationship between cross-border drug smugglers, foreign drug cartels, drug profits and our politicians. We'll recruit 2.5 million Citizen Deputies to help local and state law enforcement. We'll recruit 40,000 Citizen Guards to create our Wall of Americans on the Southern Border, 20 Citizens on average per mile, working 6 person teams per mile 24/7/365 with 2 floaters to cover weekends and holidays. If we need more, then we'll recruit more. We already have the Minutemen Organization, they already know how to do it. We just need to recruit for them. And we need to hit the moot buttons, turn our backs on and jerk the funding of anyone with any organization who dares to call our Citizen Deputies or Citizen Guards trying to save our country a "vigilanti", a "racist", a "right wing extremist", a "xenophobe" or what was Lou's new one for us ... oh yeah ... "purists". Boy Lou, you really did show your colors in that interview with William. "purists" .. yes, Lou, we're "purely" for enforcing existing US immigration law. Duh.

Are you serious...hunt them down, search warrants, arrest warrants? What happened to probable cause? What happened to the Constitution? Our courts are OVERWHELMED as it is. Where on earth will the funds be for hiring all of those horrible lawyers and judges come from?

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by Dixie

I don't know who those posters are but the words "unalienable rights" are not found in the Constitution of the United States.

They are found in the Declaration of Independence in the preamble.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

The unalienable Rights are not Law.

Read the Constitution so people like this don't take your rights away and give them to foreign nationals.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

Dixie

That's true, but Amendments IX and X cover those in the Constitution.

"Amendment IX

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

"Amendment X

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

The issue is standing. No illegal alien has any legal standing to sue in our courts for anything. They have the rights guaranteed through due process of law as it relates to their status as illegal aliens, solely to protect the rights of US Citizens and Legal Residents from an illegal deportation. Their right to a deportation hearing is only to verify their status, which is actually our right as US citizens, not to be deported in error.

If US Citizens have no standing in US courts to sue our President to verify his constitutional eligibility to hold the office, then no illegal alien has the standing to sue our government in our courts for a dime. For anyone in our courts or government to think otherwise would be mind-numbing if the absurdity of it hadn't already made our brains explode.

I guess we should elect to you the bench. I thought law school, the bar exam, the clerking, the internships, the hours of research and application, and the practical experience are all useless.

Originally Posted by attorneyatlaw

Originally Posted by Dixie

Originally Posted by attorneyatlaw

Originally Posted by ccsingleton

Originally Posted by JBParrothead

Since when does our Constitution guarantee illegal aliens the rights of a U.S. citizen?

Now it's legal for illegal aliens to resist arrest from law enforcement and be paid by the U.S. government to do that! Hey, any U.S. citizen here dumb enough to try and resist arrest? If you're lucky, you could hit the jackpot for breaking the law. Illegals hit the jackpot for coming here illegally and NOW for resisiting arrest...is this a great country or what!?! (For illegal aliens that is) No wonder they keep coming here, we pay them and reward them generously to break our laws!! We're all effin brain dead to allow this to continuously go on!

1. Since the Constitution was written, guaranteeing ALL PERSONS, inalienable rights.

2. If you read the article, he couldn't have been resisting arrest since the two feebies didn't bother to identify themselves until the local PD arrived on the scene.

X2

The feds didn't ID themselves... says who? The illegal alien? Get real.

I don't know who these two posters are but the words "unalienable rights" are not found in the Constitution of the United States.

They are found in the Declaration of Independence in the preamble.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

The unalienable Rights are not Law.

Read the Constitution so people like this don't take your rights away and give them to foreign nationals.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html


Dixie

I love sidewalk lawyers. The problem with all of your arguments is that courts have decided otherwise as they did in this case.

The problem with office lawyers is they manipulate the will of the people right out of the country by using their legal brethren on the bench to support their agendas.

We've crossed that bridge once and we don't want to have to cross it again. Courts kept blacks as slaves for 70 years until the people of the United States risked their fortunes, careers and lives to fund and fight the bloodiest war ever fought by Americans, to free them. Then Courts kept freed blacks as second class citizens for another 90 years when in 1883, the US Supreme Court overturned the 1875 US Civil Rights Act as "unconstitutional".

The civil rights record of our office lawyers, their courts and their judges is a national disgrace as the historical record of our nation so clearly demonstrates should anyone wish to take the time to review it.

So maybe it's time you guys started listening to and respecting the will of the people of the United States and our view of the US Constitution, because our record on civil rights puts yours to shame every single day of the 220 years we've been a nation under the US Constitution.

Originally Posted by attorneyatlaw

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by Dixie

I don't know who those posters are but the words "unalienable rights" are not found in the Constitution of the United States.

They are found in the Declaration of Independence in the preamble.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

The unalienable Rights are not Law.

Read the Constitution so people like this don't take your rights away and give them to foreign nationals.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

Dixie

That's true, but Amendments IX and X cover those in the Constitution.

"Amendment IX

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

"Amendment X

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

The issue is standing. No illegal alien has any legal standing to sue in our courts for anything. They have the rights guaranteed through due process of law as it relates to their status as illegal aliens, solely to protect the rights of US Citizens and Legal Residents from an illegal deportation. Their right to a deportation hearing is only to verify their status, which is actually our right as US citizens, not to be deported in error.

If US Citizens have no standing in US courts to sue our President to verify his constitutional eligibility to hold the office, then no illegal alien has the standing to sue our government in our courts for a dime. For anyone in our courts or government to think otherwise would be mind-numbing if the absurdity of it hadn't already made our brains explode.

I guess we should elect to you the bench. I thought law school, the bar exam, the clerking, the internships, the hours of research and application, and the practical experience are all useless.

You should! I'd straighten out this mess in 6 months. Every President and candidate for President has to prove their constitutional eligibility to hold the office of President to any US citizen who asks for it and if he/she refuses then a court compels him or her to disclose the proof. To whom other than a US citizen preparing for a vote or an inauguration should a President confirm his/her constitutional eligiblity to hold the office? No one. The only person with standing to demand proof of constitutional eligibility is a US citizen.

Originally Posted by attorneyatlaw

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by JBParrothead

Since when does our Constitution guarantee illegal aliens the rights of a U.S. citizen?

Now it's legal for illegal aliens to resist arrest from law enforcement and be paid by the U.S. government to do that! Hey, any U.S. citizen here dumb enough to try and resist arrest? If you're lucky, you could hit the jackpot for breaking the law. Illegals hit the jackpot for coming here illegally and NOW for resisting arrest...is this a great country or what!?! (For illegal aliens that is) No wonder they keep coming here, we pay them and reward them generously to break our laws!! We're all effin brain dead to allow this to continuously go on!

Illegal Aliens are a new favored, preferred, protected class of Untouchables, special people with special rights, that no authority can or will "touch" without penalty or serious repercussion. This shows how powerful the people behind illegal aliens really are. They own our judges, governors, Congress, the White House, our CEO's, unions, media and even our State Bars. The only group they don't own are US citizens, which is why we are the only hope for America. They also don't own all the Sheriffs, Police Chiefs and State Troopers yet. That's why US citizens must align with our Sheriffs, Police Chiefs and State Highway Patrol organizations to stop illegal immigration by advancing an aggressive local and state deportation program that triggers the motivation for illegal alien self-deportations and start this immediately, while hammering on the Feds for expanded funding of the 287 (g) program, but not waiting for it.

And look how they deceived even many US citizens! There are many US citizens even several on this board who are afraid of enforcing US immigration law if it means deportation because they're worried about their "civil rights", when US citizens are being beaten, shot, murdered and tased to death in their homes and work places for doing nothing wrong. Do these same citizens think we should abandon the arrest and detainment of all people who are suspected of breaking our laws because we might in the course of it get in a scuffle with them during an arrest? Name me 1 illegal alien or their pet, unarmed, shot or tased to death, during a warranted search or arrest. I've not heard of 1, yet the horrifying stories about the maltreatment of US citizens would fill an encyclopedia.

Stop this nonsense. Get serious. Lets get with our Sheriffs, Police Chiefs and State Troopers, then investigate, hunt them down, get search/arrest warrants, find them, arrest them, book them, get them a deportation hearing to verify their illegal status, get them out of here and keep them out. It's not complicated. It's very very simple. Meanwhile we'll also keep doing all the other things we want to do, prosecute employers and aiders and abetters, smugglers and harborers. We'll pass the FairTax to make it impossible for them to live here economically. We'll use the FairTax to shut down their advocacy groups by cutting off their funding. We'll legalize/regulate/tax under the FairTax the illegal drug trade which severs the relationship between cross-border drug smugglers, foreign drug cartels, drug profits and our politicians. We'll recruit 2.5 million Citizen Deputies to help local and state law enforcement. We'll recruit 40,000 Citizen Guards to create our Wall of Americans on the Southern Border, 20 Citizens on average per mile, working 6 person teams per mile 24/7/365 with 2 floaters to cover weekends and holidays. If we need more, then we'll recruit more. We already have the Minutemen Organization, they already know how to do it. We just need to recruit for them. And we need to hit the moot buttons, turn our backs on and jerk the funding of anyone with any organization who dares to call our Citizen Deputies or Citizen Guards trying to save our country a "vigilanti", a "racist", a "right wing extremist", a "xenophobe" or what was Lou's new one for us ... oh yeah ... "purists". Boy Lou, you really did show your colors in that interview with William. "purists" .. yes, Lou, we're "purely" for enforcing existing US immigration law. Duh.

Are you serious...hunt them down, search warrants, arrest warrants? What happened to probable cause? What happened to the Constitution? Our courts are OVERWHELMED as it is. Where on earth will the funds be for hiring all of those horrible lawyers and judges come from?

Absolutely hunt them down. They're everywhere so it's no big deal to round them up. You establish probable cause through research and investigations (the hunt), conducting record searches, fact-finding missions, following up on tips and executing search warrants, the same way we hunt down and arrest all law-breakers. If they have a job, then they have a payroll record that involves public records from tax withholdings to workman's compensation payments and unemployment insurance at the state level, no feds required. Same with birth records. These are all state records, no feds required. Same with school records, no feds required.

Illegal aliens are processed through immigration courts, not our regular court system. They appear before Immigration Judges, not in Superior or District Courts. If we need to hire some more immigration judges to process them all, then that's no problem, because that's their Constitutional right to a Deportation Hearing to verify their illegal status prior to Deportation, which is actually a right that protects the right of US Citizen not to be deported in error.

Processing illegal aliens for Deportation doesn't require lawyers, although they're free of course to hire one if they wish. The Deportation Hearing is their opportunity to correct an erroneous Deportation by providing proof of citizenship. If they're illegal aliens, there is no proof to offer, so the legal work on an illegal alien is really non-existent. Either the person is a US citizen, a legal immigrant or they're an illegal alien. During the fact-finding mission BEFORE they are arrested and BEFORE they're in court, the E-Verify system and other record searches will have already weeded out US citizens and Legal Immigrants, unless someone makes an error in which case, the individual will have the opportunity to clear that up at the Deportation Hearing if they haven't already done so before their court date. Remember we're going to use Citizen Deputies to assist with these investigations and fact-finding missions, so the cost will be very small, almost negligent compared to the cost to keeping illegal aliens in the country.

Do you how much we've spent so far this year on drug arrests?

$47 billion with still a full month to go.

Do you how many people we arrested this year on drug law offenses?

1.7 million with still a full month to go.

http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm

Now just think if all that money and effort was converted to immigration law offenses, how much better off our country would be. I admit it would be bad for the legal profession, but, your profession isn't my concern, the well-being of the American People is my concern, not how much money lawyers earn in the racist futile War on Drugs and the illegal immigration business.

By the way, do you support the FairTax and ending the War on Drugs by legalizing/regulating/taxing under the FairTax the illegal drug trade?

No disrespect meant, but you sound more like an attorney at large, than an attorney at law.

Originally Posted by Hylander_1314

No disrespect meant, but you sound more like an attorney at large, than an attorney at law.

You can't offend me.

Judy,
I don't question your will or your opinion about illegal immigration, but in all seriousness, are you kidding me? What you are proposing is not a democracy and would obliterate our Constitution and justice system: the same justice system which you say should be followed by illegal immigrants and those who enforce or don't enforce the law.
Your lack of knowledge of criminal procedure GUARANTEED BY THE LAWS OF OUR COUNTRY, would prohibit just about all that you propose. Therefore, by trying to enforce immigration laws, you would violate the laws in the process. Now, who is worse: you or the illegals?
I believe in legal immigration, but what you are proposing puts into grave danger the legitimacy of this cause. I wonder why there are critics of this site?

Will you be running for president , I mean dictator in 2012?

since you asked, I don't believe in legalizing any drugs. Our society is dependent enough on legal drugs. Our children don't know how to have fun without drugs. I don't believe we should legitimize groups who for decades murdered, threatened, abused, terrorized, corrupted and caused mayhem in the name of making money.
I represent enough people charged with DUI, I don't need more, and I don't think our society needs more vehicular manslaughter either.

Originally Posted by attorneyatlaw

Judy,
I don't question your will or your opinion about illegal immigration, but in all seriousness, are you kidding me? What you are proposing is not a democracy and would obliterate our Constitution and justice system: the same justice system which you say should be followed by illegal immigrants and those who enforce or don't enforce the law.
Your lack of knowledge of criminal procedure GUARANTEED BY THE LAWS OF OUR COUNTRY, would prohibit just about all that you propose. Therefore, by trying to enforce immigration laws, you would violate the laws in the process. Now, who is worse: you or the illegals?
I believe in legal immigration, but what you are proposing puts into grave danger the legitimacy of this cause. I wonder why there are critics of this site?

Will you be running for president , I mean dictator in 2012?

Are you claiming that our US immigration laws are unconstitutional and can not be enforced? Wow! That's a new one!

Allow me to introduce you to the US Constitution:

"United States Constitution

"Article I

"Section 9. The migration or importation of such persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each person."

The states have always had the right to limit the migration or importation of persons for reasons all to obvious to mention and the right to pass laws prohibiting it as well as limiting it to what they deem proper to admit. The federal government has had that right since 1808.

It you think wanting to enforce the US Constitution of the United States in full accord with the applicable laws of our nation and states regarding illegal immigration makes someone a "dictator", then you have never understood the US Constitution or the applicable laws of the United States.

When a law says you aren't supposed to be in our country, and the law says if you are then you are to be removed and deported, then failure to remove those persons is a failure to abide our Constitution and our laws.

If there is valid reason to suspect there are illegal aliens in the United States, and there's clear evidence from polls, surveys, studies and public records that there are over 20 million plus in the country, then it is incumbent upon the law enforcement agencies of our nation, states, counties and municipalities to seek them out and remove them in short order, no different than they seek out a bank robber, a thief, a rapist, a murderer, a con artist, computer hack, insider trader, a document defrauder, a counterfeiter, a tax evader or any other type of criminal, make an arrest, detain them, provide them a hearing and if confirmed an illegal alien, then they are deported.

What does being deported mean? It means being returned to your home, family and nation of citizenship where you belong.