Thread: Islamist Victory, Obama Attacks States and US Citizens

Because of Obama’s continually shifting positions there is no telling where he stands on anything--except that from his actions

Islamist Victory and Obama Attacks on the States and US Citizens

By Sher Zieve
Monday, August 16, 2010

As The Obama and his ObamaCourts ratchet up their fight against the US States and We-the-People, the beasts in the White House (aka Obama & Co) continue their fight against America and all humans. In his latest anti-US comments, Obama first supports the Islamist Victory Mosque (and probable terrorist training center), then slightly alters it when the hue and cry from We-the-People becomes too loud for his Marxist minions.

Then, The Obama changes his stance—once again—and returns to his original support. When Islam wishes to claim dominance over a people, it builds an elaborate mosque to its god Allah. In his article “Ground Zero Mosque Represents Conquest for Islamic Jihadists,â€

Wonder Boy and the NWO have already won the debate. This is a two steps forward and one step back stradegy. The debate was brought forth to open dialogue. The dialogue was controlled with a known outcome, Thanks to the media and the many pundits who helped to cut off the nose of America in order to spite America's face. How many would deny freedom of worship in America? The door of tolerance and the warm and fuzzy correctness was opened further.

Please don't sit on that chair, my father will be home soon, please sit here. Your welcome. I hope it is comfortable. Could I get you something to drink?

Where is it that a house of Satan is welcomed to be built?

Remember Waco? The Branch Davidians?

Do you really think this is what your founding fathers intended?

Do you pervert your freedoms and liberties to the point of suicide?

"TV is the prescription for group think."- ME

Then, The Obama changes his stance—once again—

Is politics spontaneous? Is the brilliance of "O" played off the cuff?

I think it's highly possible that Obama is getting involved in this discussion as a distraction to some other evil he has in mind. Or maybe to take our minds off the fact that our national debt is mushrooming out of control. Watch both hands folks. We don't want to get taken in by an Obama shell game.

How to control the debate. Know the subject well. Know the reaction well. Know the counterarguement well. Go for the jugular, before the opponent knows what hit them.

Wonder Boy opens the debate. Anyone for a minute think that Wonder Boy and ALL of his advisers did not know the reaction? Really?

The counter is brought forth from many angles and from all sides. The angles are a mirage, really just flavor enhanced for the two differing tastes of Yum-Yums.

You (the masses, as this is mass psychology) have just been trapped and it is not even known. POed, oh well, take your licks and get POed all you want. Next time as the expansion moves forward what will you say or do? You have already accepted your fate. You locked up your concerns in PC.

Any Islamophobes running around out there? Ofcourse not, you are all good sheeple, err, Americans.

Instead of race baiting, lets all go Islamabobaphobia trolling. Good day for fishing, the waters fine, come on in.

PS just MHO. If I ever had to stick to the sane world view I would go nuts.

For those interested in freedom religion and a better understanding try searching for the Centinel letters.

These were a series of letters written back in the 1765 or so. They were published in several of the news papers at the time. The Churh of England used coersion to get a New York paper not to publish any more of the letters. Censorship was a live and well.

The colonies were in an uproar at the attempt of the Church of Egland trying to establish a state religion.

The Presbyterians were very concerned as they had a large Irish part of the congregation, and the Irish fleed Ireland due to the persecution that they faced bak in the old country. Sound familiar to any one of Irish decent?

The Quakers were very concerned as was every other denomination and all joined forces to fight off the attempt of the Church of England. Even the southern Angelicans in the colonies oppossed the power grab that was attempted, as they were happy running their churches without the aid of a Bishop.

The fight was for freedom of religion as to how it relates to denominations amongst the Christian faiths.

This was a major impetus that rallied the colonists to revolt. Remember, those that came here at first were seeking freedom of religion. The Reformation of the Churh was very much alive and those that left England; England was glad as many of these dissenters created problems for the state church back in the old country. As America grew England and the Angelican Church wanted to establish the church in America just as it was in England.

We have been spoon fed some weak pablum for our history. No matter where you stand religiously, do you not atleast wish to view history in an honest light?

Do we deserve less?

Islam is actually a government and political system. Moslem is the religion that goes with it. Therefore Moslem is not really a religion. Nor is it entitled to the protections granted to legitimate religions by the Federal government. Moslem is actually an agency of a government. Therefore it should be treated like a foreign government, a business or maybe a non-profit organization.

What would freedom of religion mean to the european Christian of the 16th, 17th, or 18th century?

Where did freedom of religion come from? I contend that freedom of religion was realized when Martin Luther declared independence from the Pope, from the Catholic Church in 1520's (?) Thus much volitility was the result, a revolutionary way of religious thought was unleashed. Freedom of religion had come to the european Christian.

Does anyone think that Martin Luther was concerned with religious freedom for the Jew? The Muslim? The Bhuddist? The Hindu?

Freedom of religion was achieved by the Christian Church when the Christian could bypass the intermediary, the priest. No longer did the Christian have to buy alms in order to be ashured a place in heaven. No need to go to the priest for confession as he could now bypass the priest.

Did the decendents of the Lutherans, the Calvinists and other radical religious revolutionaries that achieved freedom of religion understand just what freedom of religion was and where it came from and what it took to get it? The Reformation of the Church was indeed radical thinking and it did not come without a fight.

Freedom of religion was an idea for the Christian Church, all others should seek their own legacy.

It would seem according to John Adams in this letter, that the colonists did indeed take their freedom to worship as Christians seriously, to the point of being considered a major reason to declare independence from England.

.......[W]ho will believe that the apprehension of Episcopacy contributed fifty years ago, as much as any other cause, to arouse the attention, not only of the inquiring mind, but of the common people, and urge them to close thinking on the constitutional authority of Parliament over the colonies? This, nevertheless, was a fact as certain as any in the history of North America. The objection was not merely to the office of a Bishop, though even that was dreaded, but to the authority of Parliament, on which it must be founded....All denominations in America became interested in it [the controversy] and began to think of the secret latent principle upon which all encroachments upon us must be founded, the power of Parliament. The nature and extent of the authority of Parliament over the colonies was discussed everywhere, till it was discovered it had none at all. - John Adams to Dr. Jedidiah Morse Dec. 2, 1815

The "controversy" refered to was the plot that was maturing for the Church of England to be established in the colonies as it was in England.

All "denominations" ofcourse refers to the various denominations of the Church in the colonies.

I have been reading a book on the controversial Centinel Letters. There were 21 letters attributed originally to "Centinel", however the book I am reading contains 19 of the letters as these are thought to be from the same author or authors and the other two do not fit the mold, so some historians have concluded.

I have tried doing a search online to see if I could find the other two letters, with little luck, actually, little luck finding all of the letters contained in the book I am reading. Bits and pieces or just selected letters come up on the search.

Any suggestions?

Somewhat surprised that wikipedia has so little.