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    KY: Horse industry could suffer under Ky.'s immigration prop


    Horse industry could suffer under Ky.'s immigration proposal

    Lexington Herald-Leader
    By Janet Patton
    Jan 16, 2011

    Earlier this month, just as the Kentucky Senate moved to crack down on illegal immigration, Thoroughbred trainers were reminded just how dependent their sport is on foreign labor.

    A federal immigration agent came to the Fair Grounds in New Orleans on Jan. 3 to chat with horse trainers, many of whom also race in Kentucky.

    The officer said he was there, in suit and tie, on a friendly visit to urge trainers to enroll in the federal E-Verify employment database and check to make sure all backside workers are legally qualified to work in the United States.

    But there was also a more ominous undertone: the implication that the next visit might not be so cordial.

    "He said he is an enforcer and his job is to arrest illegal immigrants.

    He said that the next time he comes in here he would be wearing his blue jacket with his badge, and he would be arresting people," said trainer Dallas Stewart, who also races in Kentucky.

    "He said today 'I'm your friend and I'm trying to help you out. ... The reason people are here is for work, and you guys are employing them, and that's why you need to get it stopped.'"

    Like many in the horse industry, Stewart relies on foreign workers, usually here through the federal H-2B visa program, to take care of his horses. But the guest worker program is capped at 66,000 non-agricultural unskilled workers a year for all sectors nationally. For fiscal year 2011, which began in October, more than 35,600 petitions for spots have already been filed. The number of applications routinely bumps up against the number allowed, leaving employers scrambling for labor sources.

    Between the legal hoops all employers have to jump through and the logistics of traveling from track to track around the country, trainers say it is taxing to find and keep competent legal workers.

    "It's a certain person who could do this job," Stewart said of working on the backside of a racetrack. "It's not for everybody. The people that like to do it and want to do it ... it's not a lot of people."

    Difficult track work goes on rain or shine

    Stable work is arduous and dangerous. Grooms have to be at the track before dawn to clean stalls and back at work after the afternoon or evening races to feed and settle horses in their stalls.

    Hot walkers, who walk horses around and around the barns after morning workouts to cool them down, have to know how to handle 1,200-pound animals that can kick and bite.

    Exercise riders need to be consummate horsemen, able to get on virtually any horse and ride it to order during the chaos of morning workouts when dozens of horses are moving in all directions.

    "It's seven days a week; it's rain or shine," Stewart said.

    The immigration bill that passed the state Senate would make it a crime for an illegal immigrant to even be in Kentucky. And a crime for anyone to transport, conceal, harbor or encourage illegal immigrants to come to Kentucky.

    "Does Kentucky want to be a sanctuary for illegals?" Sen. Tom Jensen, R-London, said last week in arguing for the bill. "What this bill really does is it sends a message ... that we do not tolerate people coming into this country illegally."

    The bill's future in the House is uncertain. Meanwhile, state Rep. Stan Lee, R-Lexington, has proposed separate legislation that would require state agencies such as the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission to deny a license to or suspend for at least six months trainers who hire an "unauthorized alien."

    To horsemen like Stewart, much of the rhetoric surrounding the immigration debate is irrelevant. But trainers also know the result of the debate could have a very concrete impact on the labor supply.

    "I can understand everybody needs to be documented. Let's get them in there and document them," he said. "These people are here and ready to pay taxes and do what the U.S. government wants them to do. ... Whatever it takes, they just want to do it to work."

    'Low-hanging fruit'

    But workers who come to the U.S. illegally and then find work have little recourse; there is no easy way to get on the right side of the law, said Will Velie, an immigration attorney in Oklahoma who works with many horsemen to find legal workers.

    Velie warned that trainers could be vulnerable, under new enforcement measures, to arrest and prosecution for harboring illegal aliens, laundering money, or evading taxes if they have workers who don't have up-to-date documents.

    "The tracks are low-hanging fruit. They are an easy target for federal agents," Velie said. "Everybody knows there's a lot of illegals on the backside of the track."

    Velie, whose Horseman Labor Solutions helps trainers navigate the federal immigration visa process, said his phone started ringing off the hook with "crisis calls" on Jan. 3, after the federal informational meeting with trainers in New Orleans.

    He is hoping that a waiver can be negotiated that would allow trainers who aren't using H-2B workers to come forward and get their employees in the program.

    Everyone wants to come in out of the shadows, he said.

    "The bottom line is it's a hard, dirty job. The problem is, there's no way to get the guys who are here illegally legal in a straightforward, efficient way," he said. "The vehicle for fixing their status is not there and until it's there, it's just going to sit there and fester."

    Horsemen have lobbied for federal immigration reform focused less on enforcement and more on practical ways to provide critical labor.

    For the horse industry, the immigration debate "is huge," said Jay Hickey, president of the American Horse Council, which lobbies Washington on behalf of all breeds.

    "It's been a long time since we've been able to enjoy a steady stream of American workers," Hickey said. Instead, horse farms and trainers have to bring in foreign workers every year through what he termed "a convoluted process" of job postings and visa applications.

    "Really what the industry is looking for is two things: a streamlined process to bring in these workers and a way to legitimize workers who are already here who may be undocumented," Hickey said. "That's where you get into the emotional amnesty question."

    Headaches in Arizona

    With federal legislation bogged down, states have begun stepping in.

    Arizona, which passed the immigration law that Kentucky's bill was modeled after, has had its own horse-industry headaches.

    "We've got a lot of problems getting workers, that's for sure," said Tom Metzen, president of the Arizona Horsemen's Benevolent and Protective Association.

    Tightened federal restrictions as well as sweeps by state officials have chased people away, he said. Even so, the state said racing regulators haven't been tough enough.

    Late last month, a state ombudsman issued a critical report, accusing the Arizona Department of Racing of "selectively enforcing alien status laws and abusing their discretion."

    Racing officials continued to license racetrack workers who no longer had valid documentation, according to the report. But a restricted pipeline of legal workers puts increased pressure on trainers who need labor to take who they can get.

    "We're trying to get every one of them legal," Metzen said of racetrack workers. "Everybody's just having a problem getting it done."

    It's a dilemma that might sound familiar to Kentucky, which last year briefly switched to stricter document standards for licensing backside workers.

    Keeneland's spring meet, normally a big draw for top horses from around the country, immediately felt the impact as word spread and out-of-state trainers skipped the meet.

    "Several horse racing operations — large and small — that would typically come to Kentucky in the spring elected to race their horses elsewhere," said Rogers Beasley, Keeneland director of racing.

    "It is difficult to say definitively whether or not that was a direct result of the Kentucky racing commission's change in its stance regarding licensing," he said. "However, anecdotally, we did receive comments from horsemen who felt that the Kentucky racing commission's policy — until it was amended — was not consistent with other racing jurisdictions."

    The incident illustrates how little appetite there can be among regulators for stepping into the immigration fray.

    "We'd had a conversation with some people from ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement). We were led to believe we had a duty to make sure applicants for licensing were actually legal immigrants," said Lisa Underwood, executive director of the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission, which licenses all racetrack workers.

    After getting complaints, the commission asked its lawyers to review the policy.

    "We looked at what our duty was," Underwood said. "Our only duty is to verify that the person is who they say they are. ... Really, the verification of whether the person is in the country legally or not is the responsibility of ICE."

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    The "horse industry" needs to comply with US law, the same as every other industry. If you can't find a US citizen to take care of your beautiful horses, then take care of them yourselves. If you can't find a legal immigrant small enough to be a jockey, then hire a bigger US citizen. Don't bring your country club crap into the illegal immigration debate and don't think we don't have our eyes on you and your "horse industry". How many horses have been put to death because they broke the bones in their legs running your races? How many have sufferred with other ailments and illnesses being used to support the gambling industry and line your pockets?

    Like most Americans I support the horse racing industry, however, we'll gladly do without it, if you can't run your business in accordance with US immigration law and hire legal workers, preferably US citizens, to run it with.
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    This, with very little rewriting, is what they've been saying for a decade about H-1Bs. During that time, hundreds of thousands of American tech workers have been let go, passed over for openings, not even allowed to apply in many cases.
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    This is a very touchy subject ...LOL! I make my living on the track and I see so much more than people want to actually talk about! What I do is looked at as "new age" medicine for horses and not everyone believes in it or wants to pay for it, I am a massage therapist for horses believe it or not! As in everything else the bottom line is $, hotwalkers, grooms etc make very little money. It DID NOT used to be this way! But as soon as people came in who would do the work for $5-6 an hour when an American kid wanted $8-10, you saw less and less American kids.

    That had the snowball effect of Owners being able to pay out less, and then discovering these people who were taking care of their high dollar horses were MORE than willing to settle down on their farms and give up the track life. Now it's greed running the business. Getting the most for the least.

    Back in the early 90's I worked with a Trainer in NY who wanted to help make his staff legal. Care to guess how many of his illegal employees wanted to become legal? Out of 30 people in his barn TWO took him up on his offer.

    This crap about the Visas is just that, CRAP! If Trainers actually bring people in on a Visa, those people disappear in a week or two! The ones who hang on to the jobs are the ones who never had a Visa to begin with!!!!

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    Louisville wants to be a sanctuary. You can just feel the "love" for the taxpayer subsidized cheap slave labor.

    LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- It's only been open for little more than three years, but in that time, the Klein Family Learning Center on the backside at Churchill Downs has seen enrollment in its programs, like English as a second language, triple to some 350 people last year.

    “The target population, a lot of people don't really realize how many people are really back here at Churchill Downs. We have about 1,000 people at any given time that we could be serving, so each year we continue to grow and serve more of those people,
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    It is really not that hard to groom and feed horses. I have done it myself. In fact, I owned a horse for a couple years. I am not saying it is really easy, but certainly not "arduous" or "dangerous" You just have to know what you are doing. Horses are friendly and cooperative if you treat them with respect. Most Americans would do this job if it paid a fair wage. It is not for everyone, but no job is for everyone.
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    I'm tired of excuses to not enforce our immigration laws. Now the horse industry is at risk? Bull crap. I'm pretty sure the horse industry will go on without illegal immigrants, just like many other industries in the U.S.

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    somewhere near Mexico I reckon!
    Sorry I just posted this in general I'm so sick of hearing how the poor rich people are suffering from all of us wanting our jobs back! And how we want to stop supporting IA's because they sure the hell don't!
    "I'll never step foot at a race track again or place another bet and we always bet on the Derby! Never again!
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    What a lame article! Who took care of the horses before illegal aliens were given the jobs for pennies on the dollar by greedy owners?

    Too bad, so sad. Follow the laws or get out of the business!
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    Quote Originally Posted by miguelina
    What a lame article! Who took care of the horses before illegal aliens were given the jobs for pennies on the dollar by greedy owners?

    Too bad, so sad. Follow the laws or get out of the business!
    It's like I said, the cheap labor snowballed way out of hand. The truth is a lot of breeders are addicted to cheap labor, and they aren't gonna give it up without a fight. They refuse to see that they are risking the lives of other, innocent Americans out of their greed. I have to deal with some of these people to earn my living but I do not do so silently, and I hit 'em where it hurts ( the pocketbook).

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