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11-21-2006, 07:59 AM #21
http://www.wto.org/English/docs_e/legal_e/legal_e.htm
And here are the agreements all World Trade Organization members have signed.
It's a most wicked web they've woven legally.
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11-21-2006, 08:21 AM #22
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Can this Stupor Highway be used to deport these filthy parasites en mass or is it a one-way only street?
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11-21-2006, 08:40 AM #23
Good Question.
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11-21-2006, 02:33 PM #24
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Tancredo was speaking of this exact thing this morning.
The Senate was by-passed, therefore and "agreement" and not a treaty.
Although the 5 points of "treaty" were included in the "agreements"
they still circumvented the Constitution. Here's the key.
I believe, perhaps naively, as does Crocket, that what has been done can be undone.........using the same logic and tactics as were used in creating these travesties. It will take smart attornies, elected officials and powerful people's voice but I do believe that we can undo this mess if it doesn't go much further. One piece at a time, they can be DISMANTLED.
If not, I also believe that Americans will do what they must to maintain our sovereignty.
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11-21-2006, 04:14 PM #25
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Look, we can go into moonbat mode and get absolutely nothing accomplished or we can understand the system and its limitations and keep our cool and maybe do some good.
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11-21-2006, 04:20 PM #26
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Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis
Again, Congress may not accomplish by delegation that which it is prohibited from accomplishing directly. NOTHING in our Constitution, which is the sole grant of powers to this government by We the People, empowers that government to dissolve this nation's sovereignty without a vote of the People and their several states. These agreements may have the color of legitimacy, but there is no underlying authority of the signatory agent to make the agreement on behalf of the People, which means that sovereign citizens CANNOT BE BOUND by such agreements. Now, the President can sign away Washington D.C. and the various territorias and possessions lock, stock, and barrel, because the federal governmetn has exclusive jurisdiction over those zones, but he cannot extend that authority to the several states except by acquiescence of the People. I, for one, will not acquiesce. Will you?
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11-21-2006, 04:35 PM #27
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11-21-2006, 04:36 PM #28
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Originally Posted by Judy
I don't know where you are getting your information, but you need to first take a deep breath and then get some of your facts straight. A bit of basic study of domestic and international law wouldn't hurt, either.
Judy, I don't know if you are an innocent victim of this rhetoric or if you are one of the fearmongering instigators, but while there are some underlying facts here and some genuine reason for concern, all this sort of raving does is confuse an already complicated issue with pseudolegalisms that have absolutely no real legal merit and sew hopelessness and fear in the place of resolve and meaningful action.
It seems as if some people enjoy living on the edge of hysteria and bringing other people along for the ride. Every time I read a post about someone "vomiting for hours" about this or that piece of bad news, I wonder whether they shouldn't be under medical supervision.
There are people trying to actually accomplish reform in a sane and plausible manner, and people going hysterical and predicting impending doom add precious little to the process. I have been aware of the various dirty secrets of our government for decades now, and have carefully and systematically done whatever I could for myself and for my country with that information. Over that same period of time, I have watched endless strings of people lose their freakin' minds over the same information. I have seen predictions of the immediate demise of this country, of martial law and internment camps, or biochips and other nonsense that Americans will not go for any time soon for at least fifteen to twenty years. It's all just alarmism, some of which is the result of the mental breakdowns of mentally weak individuals who can't handle any sort of bad news, and some of which is intentional disinformation meant to cripple would-be patriots with fear. The one thing that's for sure is that it doesn't accomplish squat. Just as trembling in abject terror doesn't provide shelter from an oncoming hurricane, neither does all this wild theorizing protect our liberties or secure our country. Actually accomplishing shelter from a storm or defense of our country requires not only genuine hard work, but also careful advance planning. I resent having my efforts at meaningful planning and action undermined by defeatists who see the antiChrist in every dark corner and are so out of control of their own wits that they can't tell a phantom bogeyman from a real problem, and make obstacles that may be overcome with a bit of level-headed resolve into invinceable monstrosities that can be cast down by nothing less than divine intervention.
Sorry if that's a bit harsh, but there's real work to be done here and hysteria is so counterproductive as to not be allowable if we are to succeed.
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11-21-2006, 04:37 PM #29
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I believe you have a photographic memory and for that, I am grateful!
Getting back to these traitorous "agreements."
food for thought:
Tancredo was explaining this morning this very thing.
He mentioned something that I was not aware of and that is the
5 Points of a Treaty as recognised by Congress. He didn't expound but did say that the "agreements" were NOT authorized by the Constitutionally required Senate vote {2/3 rds?} but that they DID HAVE THE 5 PTS. included. This is why they are AGREEMENTS and not treaties.
There's the sticky part of the situtation.
This is hinging on legalities of which my knowledge is almost zip.
your thoughts?
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11-21-2006, 04:54 PM #30
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Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis
Yeah, I know that it's complicated, but if we had not been duped by that bastard FDR into signing ourselves up as commercial property through Social Security (in which the "Security" part refers not to "safety," but rather to security as in that by which a debt is secured), we wouldn't be in this mess. Nevertheless, the agreements are enforceable only on those commercial entities subject to the direct jurisdiction of the federal entity, while a treaty is an agreement between nations that is enforceable against an entire nation.
As we all know, treaties not only may be broken or revoked, they are commonly terminated by one or another of those means. The same is true of agreements. But beyond simply terminating or swearing off an agreement, the scope of an agreement may be altered by altering the status of those presumed to be under the agreement. In other words, if we replaced the Income Tax with a flat tax or some other mechanism under the direct operational auspices of the federal government rather than by a foreign quasi-governmental service (the IRS) and if we replaced the Social Security system with a normal retirement plan, invoking the fraud under which both the income tax and Social Security were created, we could immediately free the American citizenry from the shackles of any international agreement entered into by the government whether the government chose to opt out of the agreement or not.
Explaining the various possibilities is far more difficult than illuminating the possibilities of a specific course of action, but perhaps you get the idea. There is no reason for these agreements, which the federal government only has the power to obligate itself and its direct possessions to, could not be disposed of in any of a number of ways.
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