Thread: Report: Trump to End DACA on Friday, but With An Amnesty Twist

If the program is ended by simply blocking any further applications, 1,100 young people a day would lose their work permits and would no longer be assured they could remain in the U.S.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...eamers-n798151

White House: DACA decision coming Tuesday

Tuesday is the day the program expires if the lawsuit is dismissed.

If it must expire to END this nightmare...let it expire.

NO path to stay, no amnesty!

Judy wrote (excerpt):

See, the program expired on June 15, except for the extension of the lawsuit which had a court order to continue DACA 2012 until the lawsuit was settled or dismissed. The lawsuit was first extended for 2 weeks by Judge Hanen from June 15 to June 30, then Texas AG requested a further extension to Sept. 5 which the Judge granted which now requires Trump to terminate it rather than let it expire by its terms.

You're wrong, wrong, wrong. I don't know why you continue to insist on this non-relevant argument. DACA 2012 was never part of the original lawsuit and had nothing to do with it. That is why the Texas AG is now threatening to include it in the orginal lawsuit which Obama lost in the U.S. Supreme Court through a split-decision. That orginal lawsuit was on DAPA and the DACA extension, not the original DACA amnesty program. I think you're confusing the DACA extension, which would have extended the work permits, etc. to three years vice the current two years.

No, the program didn't expire on June 15th. Had it expired, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

Originally Posted by MW

Judy wrote (excerpt):



You're wrong, wrong, wrong. I don't know why you continue to insist on this non-relevant argument. DACA 2012 was never part of the original lawsuit and had nothing to do with it. That is why the Texas AG is now threatening to include it in the orginal lawsuit which Obama lost in the U.S. Supreme Court through a split-decision. That orginal lawsuit was on DAPA and the DACA extension, not the original DACA amnesty program. I think you're confusing the DACA extension, which would have extended the work permits, etc. to three years vice the current two years.

No, the program didn't expire on June 15th. Had it expired, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

No, I'm not confused about anything I've said about DACA.

DACA DOES NOT EXPIRE SEPT. 5TH.

If it did there would be no need for a lawsuit on the 6th. to end it.

DACA will only end on Sept. 5th

IF Trump takes action to KILL IT

on or before Sept. 5th.

Otherwise the lawsuit go forward on the 6th. to kill DACA.

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

DACA DOES NOT EXPIRE SEPT. 5TH.

If it did there would be no need for a lawsuit on the 6th. to end it.

DACA will only end on Sept. 5th

IF Trump takes action to KILL IT

on or before Sept. 5th.

Otherwise the lawsuit go forward on the 6th. to kill DACA.

DACA 2012 is tied to the lawsuit as a result of Hanen's Ruling that DACA 2012 continue in effect. This was part of the Ruling that was appealed all the way to the US Supreme Court. The Ruling stands to this day until the lawsuit is dismissed. Every time the lawsuit dismissal date is extended beyond DACA's expiration date which was June 15, DACA 2012 is extended accordingly.

Originally Posted by Judy

DACA 2012 is tied to the lawsuit as a result of Hanen's Ruling that DACA 2012 continue in effect. This was part of the Ruling that was appealed all the way to the US Supreme Court. The Ruling stands to this day until the lawsuit is dismissed. Every time the lawsuit dismissal date is extended beyond DACA's expiration date which was June 15, DACA 2012 is extended accordingly.

No, the DACA program was not part of the DAPA and DACA extension lawsuit and was not ruled on or extended in association with the lawsuit. It has no actual expiration date. If Trump decides not to end it as requested before or on September 5th, it will continue pending the results of the lawsuit that will be filed by the Texas AG and others. Furthermore, DACA never had an expiration date of June 15th. The program will only end when it is cancelled by Trump or his Secretary of DHS unless directed by the courts as a result of a lawsuit. DACA is not law, it was generated through a DHS memorandum.

Sean Spicer is the only person I've ever heard mention something about a June 15th expiration date and I'm suggesting he mispoke or was misinformed. If you want to legitimately argue that point, then produce documentation that actual states the program expired on June 15th. If the program did expire on June 15th, which it didn't, than Trump is actually a worse amnesty enabler than thought because he continued an amnesty that would have naturally expired. There is no actual sunset date for the program! It ends when the Trump administration ends it or it is ended through legal action.

Originally Posted by MW

No, the DACA program was not part of the DAPA and DACA extension lawsuit and was not ruled on or extended in association with the lawsuit. It has no actual expiration date. If Trump decides not to end it as requested before or on September 5th, it will continue pending the results of the lawsuit that will be filed by the Texas AG and others. Furthermore, DACA never had an expiration date of June 15th. The program will only end when it is cancelled by Trump or his Secretary of DHS unless directed by the courts as a result of a lawsuit. DACA is not law, it was generated through a DHS memorandum.

Sean Spicer is the only person I've ever heard mention something about a June 15th expiration date and I'm suggesting he mispoke or was misinformed. If you want to legitimately argue that point, then produce documentation that actual states the program expired on June 15th. If the program did expire on June 15th, which it didn't, than Trump is actually a worse amnesty enabler than thought because he continued an amnesty that would have naturally expired. There is no actual sunset date for the program! It ends when the Trump administration ends it or it is ended through legal action.

You are so tragically mistaken. During arguments on the injunction the Texas lawsuit attorneys raised the issue of DACA 2012 with Judge Hanen to try and apply the injunction against DACA 2012 as well as DACA Expansion and DAPA. Judge Hanen denied their request and included in his Ruling a declaration that DACA 2012 will continue in effect. That Ruling is the Ruling that was upheld by the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals and the United States Supreme Court and is the law of the land UNTIL the latter of the lawsuit is dismissed or the program expires by its terms.

It naturally expired on June 15, 2017. That's why the lawsuit was scheduled to be dismissed on June 15, 2017. That's why Trump ended DACA Expansion and DAPA on June 15, but Judge Hanen extended the dismissal date of the lawsuit and his Ruling to June 30, 2017 "to give the parties time to review" which I assume was requested by Texas. Then on June 30, 2017 Texas and the 9 other states extended the dismissal date of the lawsuit to September 5 with the proviso that Trump end it or be sued to ensure Trump didn't renew DACA 2012.

It's shocking how little you know about the issues of this program, MW.

As to your requests, do your own research, I've posted all the links to the Memoradum, the Ruling, and even legal beagle forum information about this. It's all old news for people paying attention to the "legalities".