Thread: Romney won't say he'll overturn immigration order

Isnt this the same as him saying HE WONT OVERTURN THIS DECREE?

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Originally Posted by stevetheroofer

In other words , go home and apply the right way! 3rd party write in! Good luck with that! I seriously doubt President Romney would invest tax payers money in FEMA camps, free cell phones for "Foodstampers" 450 million rounds of 40. ammo for the DHS, Solyndra, and every other stinkin' low down dirty deal we've been paying for, for many years now!

A lot of people are not gong to vote for Romney if he flip flops on immigration.

Those that would drop their support for him are the only ones that have any sway over the man right now.

Those that proclaim the will support him even if he does flip flop on Amnesty are providing Romney with no incentive to remain true to his promises.

Each and every one of us needs to be ready to fully respect those that are going to complain about Romney or refuse to support him if he supports AMNESTY for illegal aliens which is certainly what his comments Friday sound like.

Romney just criticized Obama, not for being a Dictator and bypassing Congress, not for decreeing amnesty, but for not creating a more permanent amnesty solution like Rubio's which Romney now supports although that is in contradiction to EVERYTHING he promised on immigration in the primary.

If both Romney and Obama are both traitors, then we must be ready to fight them both if they both support the same treasonous nation destroying agenda. IF the illegal aliens are given amnesty, all your other concerns mean nothing because conservative views will have no sway in America in less than 10 years whether a Kennedy or a McCain or a Reagan does it to us.

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... Under the administration plan, illegal immigrants will be able to avoid deportation if they can prove they were brought to the United States before they turned 16 and are younger than 30, have been in the country for at least five continuous years, have no criminal history, graduated from a U.S. high school or earned a GED diploma or certificate, or served in the military. They also can apply for a work permit that will be good for two years with no limits on how many times it can be renewed. ...

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You can be an illegal immigrant and serve in the military?

Originally Posted by pkskyali

You can be an illegal immigrant and serve in the military?

Not currently, this law change or rule change would allow illegal aliens to enter the military as a condition for their legalization.

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Santorum criticized his former Republican rival for not coming down harder on President Obama's decision to halt the deportation of as many as 800,000 young illegal immigrants.

http://www.alipac.us/f12/santorum-sa...ration-259531/

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

Not currently, this law change or rule change would allow illegal aliens to enter the military as a condition for their legalization.

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I don't think so. The quote is pretty specific. It says,

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... Under the administration plan, illegal immigrants will be able to avoid deportation if they can prove they were brought to the United States before they turned 16 and are younger than 30, have been in the country for at least five continuous years, have no criminal history, graduated from a U.S. high school or earned a GED diploma or certificate, or served in the military. They also can apply for a work permit that will be good for two years with no limits on how many times it can be renewed. ...


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So, if you can prove that,

A. You were brought to the US before you turned sixteen.
B. You have been in the country for at least five continuous years.
C. Have no criminal history.
D. You served in the military.

then you are eligible for amnesty. In other words, you must have already been in the military in order to qualify. This suggests that they are letting illegals into the military.

Your interpretation says that the policy of the military is to change or changes as a consequence and as a result of the amnesty, they can earn amnesty. This would be a contradiction.

In any case, I think we can all agree that letting illegal immigrants into the military is a nightmare and if they are doing it already we need to stomp on that right away. This extends most naturally from the admitted policy of allowing non-citizens into the US military which also needs to be stomped on.

I am quite sure that illegals in the military IN EXCHANGE FOR FULL CITIZENSHIP WAS A POLICY started by george bush. I remember seeing one at least getting his naturalization papers, in uniform,after returning from the mid-east.

Update: I just googled it. George Bush signe the executive order July, 2002. Retroactive for anyone after 9-11.

Under current federal law no illegal alien can join any brach of the U.S. military.

But they are required by federal law to register for the draft, which none of them do.

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