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    Rupert Murdoch: 'Trump Wrong' on Mexican Immigrant Crime


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    By Greg Richter | Sunday, 12 Jul 2015 10:57 PM

    Conservative media mogul Rupert Murdoch called out Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on Twitter Sunday, saying the real estate mogul is wrong to say Mexican immigrants – or any immigrants – commit more crime than legal residents.


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    Mexican immigrants, as with all immigrants, have much lower crime rates than native born. Eg El Paso safest city in U.S. Trump wrong.
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    Murdoch's tweets join the storm of criticism and support generated by Trump's remarks during his campaign launch last month that Mexico is "not sending their best" to America.

    "They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us," Trump said. "They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

    Murdoch followed up with a tweet quoting FBI statistics and asking Trump who all the other people imprisoned in the United States are.


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    So FBI says 267000 illegal aliens incarcerated. Who are the other two million presently incarcerated? Seems like social breakdown.
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    Trump's views have been reviled by some conservatives and embraced by others. He has surprised everyone, except perhaps himself, by shooting to the top of the GOP presidential polls.

    Murdoch's opinion could be important. The conservative media mogul owns Fox News Channel, where Trump has long been a favorite guest, and other powerful media outlets, including The Wall Street Journal. His News Corp. once owned the San Antonio-Express News, near the Mexican border.

    Murdoch also tweeted that Trump's popularity is based on the public's frustration with Washington and "endless regulations over people's lives. Thought this was Rand Paul's issue."

    Murdoch's tweets are viewed with interest by Republicans, CNN reports, with clues sought as to whom he supports and whom he disfavors.

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    As long as I've known of Murdoch, I think he has always been wrong! Another one that I do not trust to walk my dog!!
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    Mr. Murdoch is wrong. Here is why:

    The facts are that the Government will not tell us how many crimes are being committed by immigrants. I looked into this and got a headache trying to get reliable information. There is no official effort to make a coherent assessment from the mass of information scattered around the country. And that I am certain is because the government does not want its citizens to know how bad it is. Under such circumstances anecdotal evidence must be used to get anything close to an understanding if illegal alien crime.

    According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons 76.6 % of incarcerations are native born US males, and the total of all prisoners whose “native country” is not the US is 23.4% of which 16% are from Mexico. How many are here legally and now many illegal we are not told. But it is a pretty safe bet that the great majority are illegal alien. But that is only for Federal prisons, that does not include state prisons and local jails. At an estimated 25 million illegal aliens that makes them about 8% of the population. So apparently the number of illegal aliens in Federal prison is disproportionately higher than native born Americans.

    Of course the majority of Hispanics are not criminals; that is not the issue here. The issue is the preposterous claim that that “immigrants” (notice there is no effort to separate illegal aliens from legal immigrants) commit less crime that native born Americans.

    Firstly legal immigrants are scrutinized to make sure they are not criminals so of course they would have a low crime rate, but illegal aliens are not screened for criminality therefore it is almost certain that there would be a lot of criminals among them. And of course many criminal aliens are deported and not sent to prison.

    And we have this constant effort to refer to illegal aliens as just “immigrants” to confuse people about the crisis of illegal aliens.

    Sorry Mr. Murdoch it is you who is wrong. Anyone living along the border, anyone who has seen whole neighborhoods over run by illegal aliens, overwhelmingly Hispanic, knows the crime gets much worse.

    But of course you would not know that living in your mansion in a well protected neighborhood of the mega rich.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csarbww View Post
    Mr. Murdoch is wrong. Here is why:

    The facts are that the Government will not tell us how many crimes are being committed by immigrants. I looked into this and got a headache trying to get reliable information. There is no official effort to make a coherent assessment from the mass of information scattered around the country. And that I am certain is because the government does not want its citizens to know how bad it is. Under such circumstances anecdotal evidence must be used to get anything close to an understanding if illegal alien crime.

    According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons 76.6 % of incarcerations are native born US males, and the total of all prisoners whose “native country” is not the US is 23.4% of which 16% are from Mexico. How many are here legally and now many illegal we are not told. But it is a pretty safe bet that the great majority are illegal alien. But that is only for Federal prisons, that does not include state prisons and local jails. At an estimated 25 million illegal aliens that makes them about 8% of the population. So apparently the number of illegal aliens in Federal prison is disproportionately higher than native born Americans.

    Of course the majority of Hispanics are not criminals; that is not the issue here. The issue is the preposterous claim that that “immigrants” (notice there is no effort to separate illegal aliens from legal immigrants) commit less crime that native born Americans.

    Firstly legal immigrants are scrutinized to make sure they are not criminals so of course they would have a low crime rate, but illegal aliens are not screened for criminality therefore it is almost certain that there would be a lot of criminals among them. And of course many criminal aliens are deported and not sent to prison.

    And we have this constant effort to refer to illegal aliens as just “immigrants” to confuse people about the crisis of illegal aliens.

    Sorry Mr. Murdoch it is you who is wrong. Anyone living along the border, anyone who has seen whole neighborhoods over run by illegal aliens, overwhelmingly Hispanic, knows the crime gets much worse.

    But of course you would not know that living in your mansion in a well protected neighborhood of the mega rich.
    On so ,much you are right, I will just say if it is a government produced statistic I do not believe it most of the time. I'll just add that like Murdoch I will not let you walk my dog if you are from the government. They have lied about everything for so many decades and was re-elected so many times by telling lies, why would they change?

    Talk to some prison employees, I had two good friends that worked in prisons here in TX. They have no problem calling government prison statistics lies!

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    Rupert Murdoch Pushes Misinformation in Support of Illegal Immigrants

    by Ildefonso Ortiz and Brandon Darby
    14 Jul 2015

    Media mogul Rupert Murdoch inserted himself into the debate over crime rates in the U.S. illegal immigrant population with a series of tweets in recent days. Murdoch pushed two debunked arguments defending the claim that illegal immigrants have lower crime rates than native-born citizens of the United States.

    Murdoch critiqued Donald Trump’s statements about illegal immigrants who come from or through Mexico to enter the U.S. by using partial data based on mostly legal immigrants, which for reasons later described in this article, renders the data useless in any discussion of illegal immigrants. Murdoch also asserted that El Paso, Texas was the safest city in the U.S., despite its location on the U.S.-Mexico border. This assertion has also been debunked based on the fact that it relies on an outdated system of crime reporting from local authorities that excludes most of the crimes that anecdotal data reveals illegal immigrants who come from or through Mexico to most often be associated with.

    Breitbart Texas published an article this week showing the deceptive means news organizations have utilized to attack Trump’s comments. The article explains how by intentionally interchanging the terms “immigrant” and “illegal immigrant,” Trump’s detractors battle a strawman. They cite studies focused on all immigrants, not just illegal aliens who enter the U.S. secretly and illegally. They mix crime statistics from legal immigrants with the far-fewer number of illegal immigrants in the United States, causing the crime numbers to look better for illegal immigrants. We wrote:

    By shifting the conversation to include all “foreign born” people in the United States, the illegal immigration apologist crowd dilutes the numbers of crimes committed per capita in the U.S. illegal alien population by adding 300 percent more people to the mix. The 300 percent being added are legal immigrants. Legal immigrants often must have a clean record to be legal immigrants and they have already exhibited a tendency to follow rules and laws—even at great personal expense to themselves. Adding them with the illegal alien population dilutes the crime numbers and percentages to the point that they no longer represent the reality discussed and debated.

    The claim of El Paso being the safest city in the U.S. was also debunked by another recent Breitbart Texas article. We outlined how public officials and local newspapers in El Paso, Texas often claim that their city is safe, but that the claims are based on a very particular criteria that excludes most of the offenses tied to Mexican drug cartels and the illegal immigrants in the U.S. who are involved with them.

    The claims of a safe border are based on the FBI Uniform Crime Report which looks ONLY at the number of murders, forcible rape, burglary, aggravated assault, larceny, motor vehicle theft and arson.

    The outdated way of collecting data does not take into account kidnapping, drug trafficking, human trafficking, extortion and other offenses that have become synonymous of Mexican cartel activity. Officials in those border cities choose to ignore these facts when referring to their crime statistics.

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