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    Three Million Votes in Presidential Election Cast by Illegal Aliens (found unproven)

    Report: Three Million Votes in Presidential Election Cast by Illegal Aliens


    Trump may have won popular vote

    Three million votes in the U.S. presidential election were cast by illegal aliens, according to Greg Phillips of the VoteFraud.org organization.


    If true, this would mean that Donald Trump still won the contest despite widespread vote fraud and almost certainly won the popular vote.

    “We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens,” tweeted Phillips after reporting that the group had completed an analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations.

    “Number of non-citizen votes exceeds 3 million. Consulting legal team,” he added.
    According to current indications, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by around 630,000 votes, although around 7 million ballots remain uncounted.

    Virtually all of the votes cast by 3 million illegal immigrants are likely to have been for Hillary Clinton, meaning Trump might have won the popular vote when this number is taken into account.

    Vote fraud using ballots cast in the name of dead people and illegal alien voters was a huge concern before the election.

    On the morning of the election there were 4 million dead people on U.S. voter rolls.
    Although some states require some form of ID before voting, California, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, and Washington, D.C. all require no identification before voting.



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    Rush Limbaugh is talking about this today. Trump won the popular vote. The millions of illegal aliens who voted skewed the outcome and give democrats a talking point.
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    Would like to hear more details about this, such as where these illegal voters were found and how. There has to be millions voting illegally in my state. With one party rule here the Dems won't touch this subject of course.
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    Of course they voted - obama told them no one will check plus some states have their illegal supporters as voting commissioners. That is how obama got in!

    Trump won popular vote too. Not one word mentioned in the press of the possibility of illegitimate votes by non-citizens. You have non citizens here illegally voting also as told @ the recent killer, voted 3x.

    Trump should force all states to purge their voter rolls now and prosecute any found not legitimate. Make a picture voter ID only obtained with citizenship proof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by artist View Post
    Of course they voted - obama told them no one will check plus some states have their illegal supporters as voting commissioners. That is how obama got in!
    That's how Harry Reid won last time too.
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    Following the links I've been unable to find any support for this claim. votefraud.org forwards to a different website.

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    That's how Harry Reid won last time too.
    He filled nevada with illegals -
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    Knock the Vote

    Zero evidence has been put forth to support the widely parroted claim that 3 million "illegal aliens" voted in the 2016 presidential election.

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    CLAIM: Three million non-citzens voted illegally in the 2016 presidential election.

    UNPROVEN

    EXAMPLE:
    [Collected via e-mail, November 2016]
    Trump actually won the popular vote because it's been proven that over 3 million illegal immigrants voted in the election.


    Is it true that 3 million illegal immigrants cast votes in the 2016 election?


    What are your thoughts on the rumor of more than 3 million votes for Hillary Clinton are going to be voided because they were cast by illegals?
    ORIGIN:On 14 November 2016 — not even a week after the results of the 2016 presidential election were announced — our inbox exploded with messages requesting that we investigate the claim that more than three million votes were cast by "illegal immigrants" or "illegal aliens" (non-citizens).

    In some cases it was also claimed that these three million voters are "under investigation" for fraud, or that three million votes for Hillary Clinton will be "voided" because they were illegal.
    The first thing we found was that while no such claim has been reported in the mainstream media, it has been repeated on scores of partisan, right-leaning web sites since the 8 November election under the guise of "news."

    Here are a few examples:
    The reporting in this excerpt from InfoWars.com is typical:

    Three million votes in the U.S. presidential election were cast by illegal aliens, according to Greg Phillips of the VoteFraud.org organization.
    If true, this would mean that Donald Trump still won the contest despite widespread vote fraud and almost certainly won the popular vote.“We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens,” tweeted Phillips after reporting that the group had completed an analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations.

    We scoured at least a dozen such articles for evidence to support the claim, but found none. All of them pointed back to the same source: a pair of tweets by someone named Gregg Phillips, whose Twitter profile identifies him as the founder of VoteStand ("America's first online fraud reporting app"):

    Follow

    Gregg Phillips @JumpVote

    Completed analysis of database of 180 million voter registrations.

    Number of non-citizen votes exceeds 3 million.

    Consulting legal team.

    3:23 PM - 11 Nov 2016



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    Gregg Phillips @JumpVote

    We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens.

    We are joining .@TrueTheVote to initiate legal action. #unrigged

    8:47 AM - 13 Nov 2016



    Phillips offers no evidence whatsoever to back up the claim that he "verified" more than three million non-citizen votes. Nor does he divulge his data sources or methodology, much less explain how it was possible to "verify" three million fraudulent votes within five days of a national election. In point of fact, Phillips bluntly refuses to share this information with journalists, claiming it will be released "in open form to the American people":
    15 Nov
    Dan Tynan
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    @JumpVote @TrueTheVote Hi. i'm a journalist. Can I see your data, please? And your sources for these claims?

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    @tynanwrites @TrueTheVote

    No. We will release it in open form to the American people. We won't allow the media to spin this first. Sorry.

    5:16 AM - 15 Nov 2016



    Phillips, who also founded the technology consulting firm Autogov and served as managing director of Newt Gingrich's Winning Our Future super PAC during the 2012 presidential campaign, is no stranger to voter fraud controversies. He was quoted in a 30 October 2013 Breitbart article (which described Phillips as a "voter integrity activist") characterizing Obamacare as "the biggest voter registration fraud scheme in the history of the world." Per the requirements of the National Voter Registration Act (NVRA), Obamacare health insurance exchange web sites provide voter registration services to customers. While some observers have complained that the exchanges are inadequate to the task of signing up new voters and have actually failed to register millions of eligible people, according to a 2014 MSNBC report, others, Gregg Phillips among them, argue the opposite — that Obamacare has opened the floodgates for millions to register illegally:

    Some say registering voters through the law opens the door to non-citizen voting—though in reality, the safeguards are no different than they are for those registering to vote through other methods.
    “This entire scheme is an outrage beyond anything I’ve ever experienced before,” Gregg Phillips, a conservative activist who supports voting restrictions, told msnbc. “The very idea that they would have used a stalking horse like healthcare to register, in their own words 68 million Americans to vote – or 68 million new voters, not necessarily Americans – is a problem.” “The only way to do that is to pick up all the illegals,” Phillips added.

    Based on these past statements, it seems likely that Phillips' case that three million non-citizens voted in the past election is related to his claim that "illegals" are registering to vote via Obamacare. In the absence of supporting data, however, he has really made no case at all. The "three million non-citizens" figure may just as well have been plucked out of thin air.

    ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: 16 November 2016

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    LOL!! Oh I see, because Snopes can't prove a statement true, then it therefore is false. That's not how the truth actually works.
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    "Report: 3 million votes in presidential election cast by illegal aliens."
    Bloggers on Monday, November 14th, 2016 in an article on InfoWars



    Fact-check: Did 3 million undocumented immigrants vote in this year's election?

    By Allison Graves on Friday, November 18th, 2016 at 10:58 a.m.

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    Two of the world's biggest internet companies, Google and Facebook, are taking new steps to fight the rising tide of fake news. (Inform)

    Were there 3 million illegal votes from undocumented immigrants in this year’s presidential election? Well, that’s what some websites are saying.

    "Report: 3 million votes in presidential election cast by illegal aliens," reads a headline on InfoWars, a conspiracy website ran by Alex Jones. The article has been shared via Facebook more than 48,000 times when we last looked.


    Other websites also have touted this report, including Milo, TheNewAmerican and FreedomDaily.

    So is there any truth to it?


    Well, we don’t know for absolute certain. But the report is actually a tweet, and the person who authored the tweet won’t explain how he arrived at his figure.

    If that isn’t reason enough to be skeptical, independent experts and historical analyses suggest it’s highly suspect.


    In other words, don’t buy it.


    Where’s the report?


    As evidence of its claim, InfoWars’ headline refers to a report from VoteFraud.org and tweets from Gregg Phillips, whose Twitter profile says he’s the founder of VoteStand, a voter fraud reporting app.


    There is no report from VoteFraud.org, however, and Phillips told PolitiFact he is not affiliated with that website. The information comes from tweets made by from Phillips on Nov. 11 and Nov. 13.


    Here they are:


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    Gregg Phillips @JumpVote

    We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens.

    We are joining .@TrueTheVote to initiate legal action. #unrigged
    8:47 AM - 13 Nov 2016



    Follow

    Gregg Phillips @JumpVote

    Completed analysis of database of 180 million voter registrations.

    Number of non-citizen votes exceeds 3 million.

    Consulting legal team.
    3:23 PM - 11 Nov 2016

    Phillips would not provide any additional information when asked by PolitiFact. He said he has chosen not to release more information because he is still working on analyzing the data and verifying its accuracy. Phillips would also not say what the data is or where it came from, or what methodology he used.

    Phillips said he would release the information publicly once he is finally finished.


    According to his page on LinkedIn, Phillips is a former finance director of the Alabama Republican Party. He also served as executive director of the Mississippi Republican Party and was managing director of a super PAC that supported Newt Gingrich’s 2012 campaign for president.


    Plenty of reason to be skeptical


    While we have no idea how Phillips arrived at his claim that 3-million noncitizens voted, people who have made similar claims in the past have cited a 2014 report that claims 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010 midterm congressional elections.


    That report was based on data from a Harvard survey of people. But the data was flawed, which created flaws in the subsequent report.


    The authors of the survey say a small percentage of respondents, who are citizens, accidentally misidentified themselves as noncitizens on the survey. This is because the respondents didn’t read the question carefully and accidentally selected the wrong response to the question.


    How do researchers know this? One of the authors of the survey, Brian Schaffner, said people changed their answers later when they were asked about their citizenship.


    "When we took out people who changed their answer on the citizenship question and only look at people who answered consistently that they were noncitizens, we found no reported noncitizens who voted," Schaffner told PolitiFact.


    Other research contradicts Phillips’ tweet.


    News 21
    , a national investigative reporting project funded by the Carnegie Corporation of New York and the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, found just 56 cases of noncitizens voting between 2000 and 2011.


    A report by the liberal Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law found that most cases of noncitizens voting were accidental. "Although there are a few recorded examples in which noncitizens have apparently registered or voted, investigators have concluded that they were likely not aware that doing so was improper," reads the 2007 report.


    States that have tried to purge noncitizens from voter rolls, meanwhile, have found even government data lacking.


    In 2012, Florida Governor Rick Scott’s administration started an effort trying to crack down on noncitizens voting by comparing driver's license data against voter rolls.


    Through this process the Florida Department of State created a list of 182,000 potential noncitizens that had voted. That number was whittled down to 2,700, then to about 200 before the purge was stopped amid criticism that the data was flawed given the number of false positives — including a Brooklyn-born World War II vet.


    Ultimately, only 85 people were removed from the voting rolls. State officials began to pursue a second attempt at a purge in advance of the 2014 election but then abandoned that effort, too.


    Richard Hasen, an election law expert at the University of California, Irvine, called Phillips’ claim "fake news."


    "There is no credible evidence I have seen to show large numbers of noncitizens voting in U.S. elections anywhere," Hasen said. "The idea that 3 million noncitizens could have illegally voted in our elections without being detected is obscenely ludicrous."


    Our ruling

    Reports claim 3 million "illegal aliens" cast votes in this year's election.

    The articles point back to tweets from Gregg Phillips, who has worked for the Republican Party and has a voter fraud reporting app. But Phillips will not provide any evidence to support his claim, which happens to be undermined by publicly available information.


    If Phillips does release a more detailed report, we will consider that information. But for now, this claim is inaccurate. We rate it False.





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