Thread: Trump decides to end DACA — will start deporting Dreamers in six months

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeach

Making any steps forward to end illegal immigration is like slogging through mud when dealing with Congress. We have witnessed Congress members fight so hard for illegal foreign citizens while doing nothing noticeable to enforce our borders or strengthen our immigration laws.

Yes, I know. That's why Trump calls it a SWAMP. That's why Congress hasn't done anything, they haven't repealed Obamacare, blame John McCain, Lissa Murkowski8 and Susan Collins, they haven't passed one immigration bill that I can think of, blame them all, they haven't passed the business and corporate tax cut to bring our industries back home, blame them all, they haven't done anything except hound and investigate Trump to try to bring down his Presidency, blame them all. They're the poison that's destroyed our country, let North Korea build a hydrogen bomb, approved the Iran Nuclear Deal, asked for DACA from Obama to begin with (as much as I would like to blame him for it, it was forced onto his administration by Congress during appropriation hearings for DHS).

Anyway, enjoy the Labor Day Weekend, GeorgiaPeach. Things are on the mend, progress is being made, and our country is headed in the right direction for the first time since the Nixon administration. I just loved it today when Mnuchin basically biotch-slapped the multi-nationals with their phony baloney about "economic damage" from ending DACA. A great moment, don't know if anyone else saw that today on Fox News Sunday, but that's when I knew for sure, DACA was going down. Trump is a President by the numbers. Today Abbott was interviewed and said the initial funding bill for Harvey Relief is "over $7 billion". Trump was interviewed somewhere and asked the amount as he's shaking hands and hugging the kids, he hears the reporter's question and pipes right up that he had already signed the documents for the funding and the amount is $7.9 billion. Trump knows the numbers and that's really all that matters to him right now. That's why I knew he would always end DACA, at the right time, the right way to avoid lawsuits, he knows the bad numbers of DACA and all illegal immigration on our economy, jobs, wages, welfare and debt. He knows them better than anyone in public office even though he's just been in public office a few months.

So when anyone wants to accuse me of being a Trump Cheerleader, yep, that's me alright, because this man is the best person to have entered the American White House in decades, skilled and ready to do the jobs that no other President would ever do.

Abbott: US needs comprehensive immigration reform

Originally Posted by Judy

Yes, I know. That's why Trump calls it a SWAMP. That's why Congress hasn't done anything, they haven't repealed Obamacare, blame John McCain, Lissa Murkowski8 and Susan Collins, they haven't passed one immigration bill that I can think of, blame them all, they haven't passed the business and corporate tax cut to bring our industries back home, blame them all, they haven't done anything except hound and investigate Trump to try to bring down his Presidency, blame them all. They're the poison that's destroyed our country, let North Korea build a hydrogen bomb, approved the Iran Nuclear Deal, asked for DACA from Obama to begin with (as much as I would like to blame him for it, it was forced onto his administration by Congress during appropriation hearings for DHS).

Anyway, enjoy the Labor Day Weekend, GeorgiaPeach. Things are on the mend, progress is being made, and our country is headed in the right direction for the first time since the Nixon administration. I just loved it today when Mnuchin basically biotch-slapped the multi-nationals with their phony baloney about "economic damage" from ending DACA. A great moment, don't know if anyone else saw that today on Fox News Sunday, but that's when I knew for sure, DACA was going down. Trump is a President by the numbers. Today Abbott was interviewed and said the initial funding bill for Harvey Relief is "over $7 billion". Trump was interviewed somewhere and asked the amount as he's shaking hands and hugging the kids, he hears the reporter's question and pipes right up that he had already signed the documents for the funding and the amount is $7.9 billion. Trump knows the numbers and that's really all that matters to him right now. That's why I knew he would always end DACA, at the right time, the right way to avoid lawsuits, he knows the bad numbers of DACA and all illegal immigration on our economy, jobs, wages, welfare and debt. He knows them better than anyone in public office even though he's just been in public office a few months.

So when anyone wants to accuse me of being a Trump Cheerleader, yep, that's me alright, because this man is the best person to have entered the American White House in decades, skilled and ready to do the jobs that no other President would ever do.

Swamp for certain.

I laughed when I saw the cheerleader comment, Judy. I had just thought about mentioning that to you earlier. I have laughed at myself the past few days for thinking a bit like Eeyore over the DACA. . The more one thinks about the open door for citizenship and voting available through it, the more the door must be slammed close, period. DACA illegal aliens are not future republicans but many republicans seem more like democrats, too.

I have planned to watch the Mnuchin interview and did read a few comments about it and DACA.

Thank you. I hope you have a wonderful Labor Day, too. That extends to all Alipac friends.

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeach

I hope things go well too, Judy. The opposition fights hard, they are well organized, well funded, make lots of noise. Making any steps forward to end illegal immigration is like slogging through mud when dealing with Congress. We have witnessed Congress members fight so hard for illegal foreign citizens while doing nothing noticeable to enforce our borders or strengthen our immigration laws.

I think it will. I realize some here don't understand the significance of "the thinking is to let it expire in June", but after Tuesday it won't matter whether they did or not. DACA will be over without lawsuits, and the Trump Train moving on quickly to address the real issues of real Americans to solve our very many serious problems including knocking nuclear bombs out of North Korea.

Two of the sources said the plan is to have a six-month delay in any action regarding the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program to allow Congress time to pass a fix through legislation that would allow the undocumented immigrants to stay in the country.
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DACA on the brink

By Jim Acosta, Mary Kay Mallonee and Tal Kopan, CNN
Updated 11:32 PM ET, Sun September 3, 2017


(CNN)President Donald Trump is expected to end a program that protected undocumented immigrants who came to the United States as children -- so-called "Dreamers" -- from deportation, four sources familiar with the decision told CNN.

Two of the sources said the plan is to have a six-month delay in any action regarding the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program to allow Congress time to pass a fix through legislation that would allow the undocumented immigrants to stay in the country.

The expected move -- which comes after weeks of White House deliberations about what to do in response to an ultimatum from 10 state attorneys general led by Texas -- would satisfy Trump's base but upend the lives of nearly 800,000 people who were working and studying in the US. The DACA program, which gave qualified applicants protections from deportation, is popular among Democrats and moderate Republicans, many of whom have introduced legislation in Congress to try to protect the population permanently.

The sources said the expected decision to end the program with a six-month delay reflects the President's thinking as of Sunday night.
Officials have sent conflicting signals at times in the past as to what the final decision on the program's fate would be.

Several of the sources cautioned the decision would not be final until it is announced, which the White House has said will be Tuesday.
Two of the sources familiar with the matter said there was a meeting at the White House on Sunday to talk about the decision, which was first reported by Politico.

Controversial decision

As soon as the expected move was reported, there was a flood of reactions from the left and the right, with immigration advocates calling the move cruel and Trump's core supporters hailing the move as restoring the rule of law.

"If Trump decides to end DACA, it will be one of the ugliest and cruelest decisions ever made by a president in our modern history," Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders tweeted.

But Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, said on Twitter that ending DACA would give "chance 2 restore Rule of Law."

Some Republicans have implored Trump in recent days to keep the program going as Congress works on a solution for the sympathetic population -- who in most cases know no other home than America.
House Speaker Paul Ryan said in a radio interview Friday that he hoped Trump wouldn't end the program but that he believed Congress needed to come up with a fix. His view was echoed by several Senate Republicans, including Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch and Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake.

Trump, himself, has gone back and forth on the program. During the campaign, he pledged to immediately rescind the Obama administration policy, which just marked its fifth anniversary. But upon taking office, he spoke of the sympathy he had for the "Dreamers" covered under DACA and said it was a "very, very hard" decision that he faced.

Trump said on Friday, "We love the Dreamers." He has also said in the past he would treat the issue "with heart."

Discussions in Washington in recent days have centered on an expectation that the administration would stop processing renewals and new permit applications as a way of ending the program, though details like when the effective date would be and what would happen to applications in the pipeline still needed to be decided.

Permits under DACA are granted for two years before needing to be renewed. A recent study by groups that support DACA estimated that 1,400 people a day could lose their protections if renewals were ended.

AGs forced Trump's hand

The President is expected to make the move even as his administration deals with the aftermath of Hurricane Harvey's devastation in Texas, where authorities have been trying to reassure undocumented immigrants they will not have their status checked at shelters amid increased fear of deportation in the population.

But a move by 10 state attorneys general over the summer forced Trump's hand. The states sent Trump a letter earlier in the year setting a deadline of September 5 for the administration to announce a winding-down of the program. The ultimatum issued by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and nine other state attorneys general threatened that if the administration did not rescind DACA by then, they would challenge it in an unfriendly court. The Tennessee attorney general backed off his threat on Friday, citing a "human element" in his calculation and urging Congress to act instead.

The attorneys general had already succeeded in stopping a similar program to protect the parents of childhood arrivals to the US, and that litigation is still pending before a Texas federal judge. If Trump had not acted to end the program, they would have filed a petition to add DACA to that lawsuit.

When the Obama administration instituted the deferred action program in 2012, critics, including now-Attorney General Jeff Sessions, blasted the move as an executive overreach. The Trump administration, largely through chief of staff John Kelly when he was serving as homeland security secretary, has prodded Congress to come up with a permanent solution for the program, which would answer the complaints of it being done through presidential authority.

Four different proposals have been introduced in Congress to offer some permanent protections to the so-called "Dreamers" under the program -- two bipartisan, one Republican and one Democratic.
Trump's move will place pressure on congressional leadership to determine what both sides of the aisle can swallow in terms of a compromise, but will also lend urgency as the fate of the hundreds of thousands of people hang in the balance.

But Congress already faces a busy September, in which it has to raise the debt ceiling, ensure government funding beyond the end of the month, renew key federal programs and come up with an aid package to deal with the devastation of Hurricane Harvey.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/03/politi...ink/index.html

Hey, JD2, you got the wrong link on your last article. The link to time is Zeke Miller's article, not Acosta's CNN article.

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeach

Swamp for certain.

I laughed when I saw the cheerleader comment, Judy. I had just thought about mentioning that to you earlier. I have laughed at myself the past few days for thinking a bit like Eeyore over the DACA. . The more one thinks about the open door for citizenship and voting available through it, the more the door must be slammed close, period. DACA illegal aliens are not future republicans but many republicans seem more like democrats, too.

I have planned to watch the Mnuchin interview and did read a few comments about it and DACA.

Thank you. I hope you have a wonderful Labor Day, too. That extends to all Alipac friends.

Yes, Happy Labor Day to Everyone!!

DACA: Trump expected to end 'Dreamers' immigration program

Trump gives congress 6 months to pass AMNESTY FOR THE DREAMERS

so they can ALL stay.


Is what the headline should say.

Trump needs to sign an Executive Order to stop issuing US Birth Certificates to illegal aliens and non-citizens coming here giving birth on our soil.

Give them a "Certificate of Child Born Abroad", no citizenship, no eligibility for benefits.

Force the courts to settle the issue of the 14th Amendment...no automatic citizenship!