Thread: The Truths We Dare Not Speak About Illegal Immigration

Employers have been importing the uneducated, the ignorant, the brute and the gang member types from Mexico for decades now. Corporations market products and services to these people. They, in turn, feel entitled to everything and using other people's social security numbers, living illegally in the country is not a big deal to them. They want free green cards so they can fix their illegal status and be able to bring in more family members and colonize the U.S., one state at a time. What's really interesting about this who thing is that they find no resistance from both state and federal government officials, very little worry in terms of deportations unless they are citizens of countries other than Mexico. For example. over 40,000 Hondurans got the boot just fine during the last 12 months. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/w ... 401995.htm

Corporations continue to fund La Raza and other pro-illegal organizations and it all looks like the system is working in THEIR favor. For whatever reasons Mexican illegals have become a protected class in the U.S. and from the looks of things, it doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon. Additionally, they've got plenty of support from Churches big and small.

Illegal immigration is one of those things that make you scratch your head and say to yourself: "Why the hell would we do this to ourselves?"
Answer: Profits and trade. Possibly votes.

Right now, 20 million illegals is a burden but wait until that number rises to 60-80 million which is very possible if nothing is done to stop the influx of illegal immigrants, primarily from Mexico.

The day people figure out why Mexican illegals are so protected, then maybe we will have the right answers as to why the problem is allowed to persist and grow undisturbed. When this nation is flooded with ignorant imports, it's going to be very hard to turn things around.

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Originally Posted by legalalien

The day people figure out why Mexican illegals are so protected, then maybe we will have the right answers as to why the problem is allowed to persist.

That's easy, the Globalist bankers want to create the North American Union then One World Government with us as their peons, having Mexicans here to take over our political systems is their subversive way of doing it.

We have evil in the white house now. They DO NOT care about America only what THEY can leech out of America they will gladly stack us like wood to make a dollar.

This administration KNOWS they are allowing, aiding and abetting these criminals to invade our country.

They are not worried about laws like this in NJ or some where farther up in the country because the mexicans are not pouring in through there!

They know the true cost but continue to lie.

The main stream media is controlled by the same corrupt government.

When politicians start acting/speaking like they are so concerned about people then that should throw up a red flag immediately.

These people's greed knows no boundaries.

They lie, steal, and make laws that allow them to lie and steal.

I am beyond disgusted with this corrupt government and any one catering to illegals.

There should not be one single paper printed in any language here but English same goes for signs, public manuals and forms etc.

Don't even get me started on the fact that every DMV in every state is handing out millions of fake id's everyday.

These people are going to have to be taken out of office.

The original post got me thinking on why some US citizens may support amnesty:

1. Illegals are painted as downtrodden, and Americans sympathize with and support downtrodden people.

2. Because illegals are from South America or Central America, they are "neighbors."

3. The word "America" creates a subtle connection to the US

4. Americans are ashamed of our past with slavery or have felt the lingering effects of it

So, one thought pattern may be: These are our brown-skinned neighbors who are downtrodden. We are supposed to help our neighbors. To not help them is racist.

To argue with an amnesty supporter against these notions:

1. 12 million illegals do not pick lettuce. Many work in well-paying jobs like construction that citizens once held.

2 & 3. I think these notions are not fully conscious. I'm for not using the word "American" to refer to us in discussions with pro-illegal persons. How did the sentence above read? Try it saying American instead of citizen.

4. This sensitivity is misguided toward amnesty. We need to argue about holding other countries responsible for the welfare of their citizens. That is a better method to direct that guilt because we would help all the country, not just a few who left.

German immigrants drove the government of the Late Western Roman Empire into penury and extinction. Are Mexican and other immigrants from the third world likely to send the government of the American Republic to a similar fate? And is the United States of America the only western nation facing such a demise? The answers are maybe and no, respectively.

Let us admit a salient fact from the beginning; and that is the Late Western Roman Empire disappeared a very long time ago for reasons neither entirely understood, nor agreed upon to this day by historians. Yet despite this caveat, the demise of the Roman government in the West demonstrates the veracity of the adage that all empires fail for the same reason; in the end, it costs more to maintain an empire than the empire can afford to pay. But is this adage shopworn and of no use in the modern world? And is the disappearance of the Late Western Roman Empire simply an obscure event from a long ago and irrelevant past? Let us travel back to that far and distant land and see.

A tourist traveling throughout the Western Empire in 405 AD would have found it modestly prosperous and relatively peaceful. True, millions would have been living in abject poverty in an economy based on subsistence agriculture. The middle class would have been small and embattled with most of the wealth concentrated at the top of the social and economic pyramid, about 2%-3% of the population. All in all it was not as wealthy as the Eastern Empire, but it was not poverty stricken either. Literate and numerate people were uncommon but not rare, and there were enough of them to carry on day to day affairs. Dialects of Latin and Greek were widely spoken, so that a tourist would have been able to converse with people throughout his travels.

A tourist would have found that the most prominent and successful institution was the army, a disciplined, well trained, and altogether formidable fighting force. Right behind the army in prestige would have been the Church, and it too was disciplined, well trained, and formidable. There was an emperor in Milan, the capital, governors and military commanders in the provinces, all served by a minimally competent, albeit corrupt bureaucracy. The Church, headed by the pope in Rome, maintained a parallel structure, but, unlike the Eastern Empire, kept something of an arms length relationship with the civil and military authorities. Fifty years later all this was gone. Why? It had been destroyed by illegal German immigrants, equal to perhaps 10% of the native population.

Not that Germans were rare and unusual. They had been seeping in for almost two hundred years. What changed after 405 AD were the numbers. They started crossing the Rhine by the tens of thousands and kept coming. They may have been fleeing starvation due to crop failure brought on by the onset of a little ice age. But no one knows for sure. Historians, however, are sure the army was unable to stop them, and the native population didn’t seem to mind. There are even indications that they may have welcomed the Germans. And here we come to the reason for the empire’s disappearance, and why it matters a great deal today. You see the native population didn’t care because they got a better deal under the Germans.

The empire taxed primarily by taking food and requiring labor, while the Germans did not. They didn’t seem interested in taxing at all. And since most of the land was owned by a few fabulously wealthy owners why should the natives care if the Germans took it from them? And since the empire was sparsely populated it appears there was plenty of land to go around. The Germans squatted on the great estates, and the native population squatted next to them. And soon the native population was refusing to pay taxes just like the Germans. Without the tax base, the emperor couldn’t pay the soldiers who melted away, many becoming brigands. When the emperor and his governors couldn’t supply the cities with food they were abandoned. The tipping point was reached within a decade, and forty years after that the emperors had little authority beyond the new capital located at Ravenna on the Adriatic Sea.

So where does this leave the governments of the United States and other western nations regarding illegal immigrants from Mexico and other parts of the third world? With a bit of a sticky wicket, I fear. Now, compared to modern nations and governments, the Late Western Empire was a poorly coordinated and sprawling affair based on unproductive farming, and so had a low break even point. That is to say, it didn’t take much to upset the apple cart. Transportation and communications were slow, costly and not always reliable. Hence the cost of maintaining the government was quite expensive compared to its economic output; and so, was vulnerable to manifold disruptions such as rebellions by disloyal generals, riots, depopulation due to plagues, and in the end illegal immigrants who looted, plundered, and settled down wherever and whenever they pleased.

As I suggested, modern western nations are stunningly wealthier, and far more flexible than the brittle Late Western Roman Empire. And yet, even here there are limits. During the past half century the costs of maintaining these nations has risen dramatically, while the core of their productive economies, manufacturing, has been transferred to the third world where labor costs are far less. In a sense, the United States and other western nations have been exporting their wealth to the third world and importing third world poverty. This can’t go on forever. Manufacturing, the core wealth producing part of an economy can be rebuilt over time, in theory. But can national cohesion, wrecked by the importation of alien and often hostile people without any genuine attempt to assimilate them, be restored? Probably not.

Will the native populations of western nations, especially in the United States, watching their standard of living decline, while any new wealth, generated by this system, is entirely concentrated at the top of the social and economic pyramid, be counted on to support their governments? Why should they? Will they remain loyal to governments who renege on long standing promises, which were financed by taxes they paid, in order to pay benefits to immigrants who have paid virtually nothing? It’s doubtful. Does this mean that the end of the western nations, especially the United States, is in sight? As I said at the beginning of this article, maybe. http://www.worldhistory.org/2008/09/ill ... an-empire/

Originally Posted by Watson

4. This sensitivity is misguided toward amnesty. We need to argue about holding other countries responsible for the welfare of their citizens. That is a better method to direct that guilt because we would help all the country, not just a few who left.

What's that old saying? "God helps those who help themselves"?

TopSecret10 - I like the article you posted also, and would like to pass it along, but don't like to do so without a link, or at least author, date, where published....something -- do you have a link?

Originally Posted by builditnow

TopSecret10 - I like the article you posted also, and would like to pass it along, but don't like to do so without a link, or at least author, date, where published....something -- do you have a link?

BuildItnow.... Thought I had linked It.... It's an older article,but It fits our current situation like a glove... TS http://www.worldhistory.org/2008/09/ill ... an-empire/

Originally Posted by Bowman

Originally Posted by Watson

4. This sensitivity is misguided toward amnesty. We need to argue about holding other countries responsible for the welfare of their citizens. That is a better method to direct that guilt because we would help all the country, not just a few who left.

What's that old saying? "God helps those who help themselves"?

UR absolutely right. Trouble is they help themselves to our stuff.