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    Very Painful Questions
    About New Orleans
    By America's Patriot
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    There's something very wrong with the chronology of the levee breaks in New Orleans

    Do you find it highly suspicious that the levees in New Orleans broke at 4:00 AM on August 30th?

    The main storm surge from Hurricane Katrina would have been washed into Lake Pontchartrain at about 7:00 AM on August 29th when the counterclockwise motion of Katrina was pushing water from the Gulf of Mexico into the lake.

    Why is there a 21 hour discrepancy between the storm surge and the collapse of the levees?

    During the initial news coverage, some media outlets tried to explain away the time discrepancy as a "secondary storm surge" off of Lake Pontchartrain. Hurricanes DO NOT, never have and never will create "secondary storm surges". There's only one storm surge, the main surge while a hurricane makes landfall.

    A secondary storm surge is about as believable as a magic bullet. But of course anybody who logically investigates the facts of this catastrophe will be accused of spending way too much time on the grassy knoll.

    Now lets move on to the next two questions.

    Why did pumping station #6, according to a statement made by New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin during an interview with Matt Lauer on the August 29th edition of the Today Show, fail in the lower 9th ward, which also happens to be the section of New Orleans which is the deepest part of the city? Why did the Industrial Canal levee break near the 9th ward a few hours later?

    It's interesting that both the failure of pumping station #6 and the Industrial Canal levee occurred within hours of each other within the same geographic area.

    The breakdown of pumping station #6 would have gradually allowed the flooding of the 9th ward and force it's residents to flee to the second floor and roofs of their houses.

    The immediate flood of water from the breach of the Industrial Canal levee a few hours later would have easily drowned everyone who was unlucky enough to still be inside of their home in the lower 9th ward and waterlog every single one of those houses up to the roof. By the time the water is pumped out the city, all of those waterlogged houses will have to be condemned and torn down.

    In light of the U.S. Supreme Court's recent eminent domain decision on private property, the City of New Orleans can easily condemn all of those destroyed properties and seize the land under eminent domain when the city is rebuilt. Of course with most of the residents of the 9th ward ending up dead, there's no one left to reclaim the properties or to fight back against city hall. Very convenient for anyone wishing to seize that property.

    So lets continue by looking into the "construction projects" connected to the levees.

    Why did the broken section of the 17th Street Canal levee undergo "construction" within the past year?
    http://www.ocnus.net/artman/publish/printer_20044.shtml

    "The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it's too late. One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer was a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach on Monday."

    Why did the broken section of the Industrial Canal levee undergo "construction" within the past two years?
    http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/prj/ihnc/ ... active.asp

    "West Bank Levee & Floodwall, Phase 1


    Existing levee to be enlarged to 22.4 feet above sea level with 1,300 linear feet of earthen levee and 300 linear feet of combination earthen embankment and I-type floodwall. Pedestrian walkway and benches provided. On west bank of Industrial Canal from St. Claude Avenue to Mississippi River.
    Estimated Start: June 2003. Construction Period: 10 months.
    DESIGN BEING COMPLETED PILE DRIVING TRUCK USE"

    Don't you find it very convenient that the levees broke in the exact same sections that were undergoing construction?

    Predictably, skeptics and disinformation specialists, who will go out of their way to discredit serious inquiries into the levee collapses, will make up excuses and claim "shoddy construction" caused the collapse of both the 17th Street and Industrial Canals.

    Of course the "shoddy construction" explanation was the same excuse used by skeptics and disinformation specialists to explain away the implosion of the World Trade Center towers and Building 7 on 9/11, which have been repeatedly proven to be controlled demolitions.

    The cuts in federal funding for the levee system in New Orleans brings up even more interesting questions.

    Why was the funding for the levee system cut by the Bush Administration?

    According the New Orleans newspapers, several articles were published condemning the Bush Administrations slashing of funds for the maintenance of the levees in New Orleans;
    http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp ... le_display
    .jsp?vnu_content_id=\1001051313

    "In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

    On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."
    --

    On the September 1st, 2005 edition of Good Morning America, President Bush claimed that "no one anticipated" that the levees would break in New Orleans;
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4204754.stm

    even though Homeland Security had drilled for such a scenario in 2004 which was titled "Hurricane Pam";
    http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=13051

    "Hurricane Pam brought sustained winds of 120 mph, up to 20 inches of rain in parts of southeast Louisiana and storm surge that topped levees in the New Orleans area. More than one million residents evacuated and Hurricane Pam destroyed 500,000-600,000 buildings. Emergency officials from 50 parish, state, federal and volunteer organizations faced this scenario during a five-day exercise held this week at the State Emergency Operations Center in Baton Rouge."
    --

    This willful ignorance by Bush is very similar to a comment made just after 9/11 by then National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice who claimed "nobody had any idea that planes would be crashed into the World Trade Center" even though there were previous reports as well as NORAD and Pentagon drills(Operation Boijinka) which suggested planes would be used for terrorism.


    Members of the Bush Administration knew full well this catastrophe was coming. Which begs the question: Were the collapse of the 17th Street Canal and the Industrial Canal levees deliberate events?

    In light of all the evidence that's piling up, the conclusion would have to be "yes".

    Were the levees destroyed with explosive charges?

    Shaped charges would be the most convenient way to rupture those levees and the only way to explain why they ruptured so quickly instead of slowly crumbling apart in small pieces. With the city and and the surrounding areas evacuated, there would be very few witnesses to this type of deliberate sabotage, especially if it took place at 4 o'clock in the morning.

    Were shaped explosive charges hidden inside of sealed, waterproof compartments during the "construction" on the 17th Street and Industrial Canal levees and conveniently detonated in the aftermath of Katrina?

    In light of evidence of shaped charges being used in the destruction the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19th, 1995 and inside of the World Trade Center complex on September 11th, 2001, the probability is very high.

    The circumstances surrounding the breaches of the levees becomes even stranger with the next piece of information.

    Since a truck bomb was used to mask the presence of shaped charges in the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City and that the crashes of planes and resulting fires were used to mask the shaped charge demolition of the World Trade Center, we now have to turn to the mysterious barge that was conveniently parked near the area of the Industrial Canal levee breach;

    http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:I2 ... rtribune.c
    om/stories/48\4/5598188.html+barge+may+have+caused+breach&hl=en

    Barge in the breach?

    A loose barge may have caused a large breach in the east side of the Industrial Canal floodwall that accelerated Hurricane Katrina's rising floodwaters in New Orleans, Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi said Monday.

    Naomi said the barge was found on the land side of the floodwall, leading corps officials to believe that it could have crashed through the wall and sent a huge amount of water -- which was already pouring over the top -- into the neighborhoods immediately downriver.
    --
    Why was a barge parked next to the area of the Industrial Canal levee breach, especially when everyone knew a Category 5 hurricane was approaching the city? Was it planted there to make the collapse of the Industrial Canal levee look like an accident?

    During the Oklahoma City Bombing, a truck with a fertilizer and fuel oil bomb was parked in front of the Murrah building by Timothy McVeigh and several Iraqi intelligence agents(who were brought into the U.S. by Bush Sr. during his term in office and were caught assisting McVeigh on video surveillance tapes confiscated under national security) in order to make it look like the truck bomb took down the building even though we know shaped charges caused the hole in the Murrah building.

    It was the same way with the World Trade Center on 9/11. Planes were crashed into the buildings and the resulting fires were used in the governments whitewash of the events which claimed that the steel columns melted and caused the collapse. FDNY firefighter tapes prove the fires were nearly out before the shaped charge implosions of Towers
    1 and 2 as well as Building 7, a demolition which was admitted several months later by Larry Silverstein on a PBS documentary called "America Rebuilds".

    So the presence of this barge in the exact area where the Industrial Canal levee breached is highly suspicious.

    On a side note, the original story linked above has been "scrubbed" from the main Minneapolis Star Tribune website and replaced with a totally different story. Luckily the original article was found in the Google cache. Looks like whoever destroyed those levees are putting massive pressure on newspapers and websites to censor the truth.

    Now we have to ask, who benefits from this tragedy?

    Halliburton, the company previously headed by Dick Cheney, has already been awarded contracts to clean up the damage from Katrina.

    http://www.halliburton.com/default/main ... news/sourc
    e_files/news.j\sp?newsurl=/default/main/halliburton/eng/news/source_
    files/press_statement/2005/\corpnws_090205.html

    "Also, as part of the company's Construction Capabilities (CONCAP) contract with the U.S. Naval Facilities Engineering Command (NAVFAC), Halliburton's subsidiary KBR is providing power distribution restoration, emergency roof repair and debris removal at three Mississippi Naval facilities that were damaged by Hurricane Katrina. Additionally, KBR will begin performing damage assessments on other Naval facilities in New Orleans as soon as it is deemed safe to do so."

    Just like with the aftermath of the Iraq War, Dick Cheney and Halliburton will line their pockets by making billions of dollars off of the suffering of thousands of innocents.

    Unfortunately for truth seekers, there will be influential individuals in the truth movement who will say that people who ask these types of questions "are shooting their mouths off" or will shut down inquiries into this event by saying "lets not get into this right now because of the scope of this tragedy". Unfortunately, they are unintentionally and unwittingly letting the perpetrators get away with this crime against humanity in New Orleans.

    But those of us who ask these painful questions can always take solace in the following quote from Mark Twain:

    "In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."

    It's clear the destruction of New Orleans with the levee breaches was a deliberately manufactured event which was designed to bring about the chaos we saw in New Orleans and to bring us closer to the New World Order police state.
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    He had harsh words for FEMA too. But that was just the warm up. Farrakhan also shared his thoughts on how the levee breached in the first place.

    "I heard from a very reliable source who saw a 25 foot deep crater under the levee breach. It may have been blown up to destroy the black part of town and keep the white part dry," Farrakhan said.
    In the video I saw of the helicopters dropping the large white sandbags, the water was so murkey the bags disappeared pretty much as soon as they hit the water. How can someone say they saw a crater under the water, much less determine it is 25' deep?

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    Hurricane Simulation Predicted 61,290 Dead

    'As Katrina roared into the Gulf of Mexico, emergency planners pored over maps and charts of a hurricane simulation that projected 61,290 dead and 384,257 injured or sick in a catastrophic flood that would leave swaths of southeast Louisiana uninhabitable for more than a year. These planners were not involved in the frantic preparations for Katrina. By coincidence, they were working on a year-long project to prepare federal and state officials for a Category 3 hurricane striking New Orleans.'

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050909/ap_ ... ers_feared

    Just another coincidence, nothing to worry about ...

    __________________________________________________ ___________

    Katrina first struck last May - another prophetic exercise

    Virginia Department of Emergency Management
    10501 Trade Court, Richmond, VA 23236
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    For Immediate Release
    May 19, 2005
    VIRGINIA DISASTER EXERCISE SET FOR MAY 25

    RICHMOND, Va. – Hurricane Katrina will hit Virginia on May 25 causing a massive power outage, thousands of downed trees and major inland flooding. Thankfully, it will all be part of a daylong, statewide exercise conducted for state and local emergency response personnel, Dominion Virginia Power representatives and volunteer organizations.

    The hurricane response and recovery exercise will test the capabilities of state and local government emergency plans and procedures. All exercise play will be focused in emergency operations centers and there will be no field activity. The exercise scenario begins two days after the hurricane hits Virginia. The Commonwealth will sustain serious damage to its power system, and heavy rain will cause major river flooding in several areas of the state.

    “We hope a storm like Hurricane Katrina never hits Virginia, but the practice we will get from this exercise will help us be better prepared for any future disaster,� said Michael Cline, state coordinator for the Virginia Department of Emergency Management.
    Seventeen state agencies, Dominion Virginia Power, the American Red Cross, amateur radio personnel, other volunteer groups and the cities of Charlottesville, Covington, Hopewell, Newport News and Norfolk, and the counties of Albemarle, Henry, King George and Loudoun, along with the University of Virginia will participate in the exercise. The city of Galax and Dickenson, Pulaski, Russell, Washington, Smyth, Tazewell and Wythe counties will conduct a related, concurrent tabletop exercise.

    http://www.vaemergency.com/newsroom/rel ... VERTEX.htm
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    Thursday, September 08, 2005
    Mass Murder by Drowning--the Unexplained Crack in Several Feet of Concrete

    By Cyte & Impatient

    Update: Explosive Residue Found on Levee Debris

    NY Times science reporter Dr. Andrew Revkin writes about "the 17th Street Canal, the source of most of the water swamping New Orleans" that "officials and [Army Corps] engineers said that after they had found the widening gap in the concrete wall on the eastern side of the canal, they had no quick-response plan to repair it."

    Lt. Gen. Carl A. Strock, commander of the corps, said "plugging the gap was a lower priority." The corps is directed by FEMA. "It is FEMA who is really calling the shots and setting priorities here," he said.

    Dr. Shea Penland of the Pontchartrain Institute was surprised because the break was "along a section that was just upgraded. It did not have an earthen levee, it had a vertical concrete wall several feet thick."

    "After failing to close a 300-foot break in the canal through which most of the floodwater entered the city, federal engineers decided last night [August 31st] to take the battle with Lake Pontchartrain to the lakefront."

    Alfred C. Naomi, a senior project manager for the corps, said "there were still no clear hints why the main breach in the flood barriers occurred along the 17th Street Canal, normally a conduit for vast streams of water pumped out of the perpetually waterlogged city each day and which did not take the main force of the waves roiling the lake. He said that a low spot marked on survey charts of the levees near the spot that ruptured was unrelated and that the depression was where a new bridge crossed the narrow canal near the lakefront."

    This would refute the speculation that a dip in the retaining levee or walls might have allowed water to slop over and start the collapse.

    We have an unexplained crack in several feet of concrete. FEMA decided not to plug it and let the water flow until a US city was flooded. Thousands drowned.

    Have you ever served on a jury?
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    LSU storm expert rejects levee failure explanation


    By MIKE DUNNE
    mdunne@theadvocate.com
    Advocate staff writer


    An LSU hurricane expert said floodwalls on the 17th Street and London Avenue canals in New Orleans weren't "overtopped" by Hurricane Katrina's storm surge, meaning the structures failed for other reasons.
    Paul Kemp, director of the Natural Systems Modeling Group at LSU's Center for Coastal, Energy, and Environmental Resources, said researchers studying watermarks and other evidence to sharpen their future predictions saw no evidence that walls along the two canals had been overtopped. Breaches along those canals accounted for much of the flooding in New Orleans.

    The findings of the LSU center, which predicts hurricane storm surges for emergency officials, clashes with the explanation that has been given by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

    The corps has said the floodwalls collapsed after water flowed over them, eroding the back-side levees inside which the floodwalls were erected. Once that support was eroded, the floodwalls burst, sending water pouring into the Lakeview area and all the way to downtown, the corps surmised.

    But Kemp said his group's models are designed to predict levee overtopping. The predictions called for 11- to 12-foot surges in the canals, he said. Overtopping would have required about 14 feet, he said.

    Observations on the ground after the storm support those predictions, he said.

    "I could not find evidence of overtopping inside the canals," Kemp said.

    Water cascading over the tops of the floodwalls would have eroded trenches in the levees in which the walls were built, he said. That doesn't appear to have happened, he said.

    "If they are not overtopped, it means they failed at some lower elevation" of water, Kemp said.

    Corps spokesman Mitch Frazier said Wednesday that the agency is focused on pumping the water out of New Orleans and preparing for problems that could spin off Hurricane Rita as it crosses the Gulf of Mexico.

    The corps' headquarters will conduct an investigation into why the floodwalls broke and other issues associated with Katrina's flooding, Frazier said. Knowing what went wrong will help the agency design a solution to keep flood waters out of New Orleans during hurricanes, he said.

    As of Wednesday, 90 percent of New Orleans had been pumped dry, well ahead of original projections, Frazier said.

    Kemp said his researchers did see evidence of overtopping along the Industrial Canal. Breaches in the levee along that canal helped flood the 9th Ward and parts of St. Bernard Parish.

    Kemp's computer models show a combination of the intersection of two shipping channels and the levee system conspired to drive water high enough to overwhelm flood protection along the Industrial Canal.

    One of those shipping channels is the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet, a deep-draft channel cutting through St. Bernard Parish.

    The other is the Gulf Intracoastal Water Way, which barges use to avoid the open water of the Gulf of Mexico. It cuts through marshlands between Lake Pontchartrain and Lake Borgne.

    "The model shows that's where the largest surges in the Louisiana system built up," Kemp said.

    Another large surge was around the mouth of the Mississippi at Buras, he said.

    The shape of the levees works with the shipping channels to funnel water into the Industrial Canal, where it has no place to go but up, he said.

    A surge coming into Lake Pontchartrain would have more space to spread out, Kemp said.

    While the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet provided an easy channel for storm surge, the flooding in the St. Bernard area was almost tsunami-like, covering the whole parish, he said.

    "There was a lot of momentum in the wave," Kemp said.

    A pressing question is where Hurricane Rita's storm surge will go, he said. Even a small one of 3 feet could threaten the battered and weakened levee system in New Orleans, Kemp said.

    On Wednesday, the corps was shoring up that system by driving sheet pilings into the mouths of the 17th Street and the London Avenue canals where they empty into Lake Pontchartrain.

    The canals will remain closed until the threat of severe weather passes. More than 800 filled sandbags are on hand, and an additional 2,500 have been ordered.

    http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/092 ... e001.shtml
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