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    What happens if DHS shuts down?

    What happens if DHS shuts down?

    By Alexandra Jaffe, CNN
    Updated 9:58 AM ET, Thu February 26, 2015




    Washington (CNN)Congress has just two days until Department of Homeland Security funding runs out, and it's anyone's guess whether they'll take the department off the cliff.

    On Monday night, the Senate again voted down a DHS funding bill that included a measure rolling back President Barack Obama's executive action delaying deportations for immigrants. But that night, a potential solution emerged as well, with Sen. Mitch McConnell announcing he'll bring a separate bill to the floor tackling Obama's immigration move, potentially allowing a clean DHS funding bill to move on its own track.

    McConnell changes tactics in DHS funding fight


    It's unclear whether the tactic will work, and conservatives are still expressing opposition to the move. But some Republicans have previously suggested that the fact that a Texas court recently issued an injunction against the order, pausing its implementation, could offer conservatives cover to vote for at least a short-term clean funding bill and use the time bought by the courts to figure out a solution to the immigration issue.


    DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson has said a shutdown would cause a "terrible disruption" for everyday Americans.


    Republicans, however, say the impact of a shutdown would be minimal, because most of DHS' operations are considered essential, and so would continue despite a funding lapse.


    So what would actually happen if Congress doesn't pass a funding bill in time?


    Would average Americans feel the impact of a shutdown?


    For most, not immediately. Communities that are home to a particularly large number of DHS staffers, including border towns where border patrol stations are located and some areas just outside of Washington with a heavy government contracting presence could take an economic hit.


    In those areas, thousands of workers could be furloughed or forced to work without pay, and in some of the smaller communities that can make a big difference to local businesses.


    Local fire departments and law enforcement operations could also lose staff that were funded by DHS grants, slowing emergency response efforts.


    Business owners looking to process immigration documents for their workers will have to wait till the shutdown passes, potentially affecting hiring. And officials have warned that low morale for DHS staffers could translate to slower service for Americans, particularly at airport security checkpoints.


    Some DHS employees would be furloughed — but most won't.


    Two kinds of government staffers are required to work during a shutdown: Employees whose salaries are paid for by funds outside the appropriations process, and those "whose work is necessary for the preservation of the safety of human life or the protection of property," according to the Congressional Research Service.

    Unsurprisingly, that latter part covers quite a lot of DHS' workforce.


    During the 2013 government shutdown, around 200,000 DHS employees were required to report to work, many of them without pay.


    McConnell makes concessions in DHS funding fight


    Those that are required to work include 50,000 TSA screeners, 40,000 active duty Coast Guard members, 13,000 immigration law enforcement officers, 40,000 border patrol and customs officers, and 4,000 Secret Service agents.


    But there would be some — around 30,000 or so — furloughs, mainly hitting the department's management and administrative functions. It's possible, though, that staffers furloughed could be called back to work in case of an emergency — and immediately re-furloughed after they handled the issue.


    That doesn't sound like it would be pleasant for DHS employees.


    It's not — and the potential hit to DHS morale is a serious problem with the possible shutdown. A third-party review of federal employees found DHS ranked dead last in employee satisfaction and commitment over the past two years, and morale actually declined in 2014. It's a challenge for the Department, which struggles to retain and recruit employees, and a shutdown wouldn't help.


    But it does sound necessary for, well, homeland security...

    Exactly. Many of DHS' most fundamental operations won't be impacted.

    A number of DHS programs are funded by fees, rather than congressional appropriations, and would continue to operate even if funding lapses.


    Those include the bureau's cybersecurity operations and the Federal Protective Service, the law enforcement agency that oversees federal buildings. Border security efforts, the TSA and intelligence gathering efforts, among others, are all key DHS activities that would remain.


    FEMA's disaster relief operations and the national flood insurance program would continue to operate.


    And most U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services operations, including the visa program, immigrant naturalization and asylum claims, would continue — except for the E-Verify system employers use to verify workers' visas, which would pause in case of a shutdown.


    Wait — so Obama's executive action on immigration, which started this mess, would still be implemented?


    Yep. It turns out defunding the agency that's implementing Obama's executive action delaying deportations for millions of immigrants won't prevent the executive action from taking effect.


    Republicans haven't given up, though. They're looking to add a policy rider to the bill extending funding for DHS that would block the executive order from taking effect — which remains a sticking point for Senate Democrats, who say they'll only vote for a clean funding bill.


    And even if House and Senate Republicans were able to pass a DHS funding bill that blocked Obama's immigration move, he would likely veto it.


    That's caused the current showdown. And Boehner's comments this weekend indicate there's no clear compromise yet.


    Then what DHS operations would take a hit?


    State law enforcement could feel the pain of a shutdown the most.


    Johnson has previously warned that, if DHS funding lapses, "we cannot engage in new starts, new spending, new initiatives, new grants to state and local law enforcement to fund homeland security missions."


    Many local law enforcement operations, including training, hiring of new staff and purchasing new equipment, are funded through DHS grants, and those would be discontinued during a shutdown.FEMA Administrator Craig Fugate said that disaster recovery grants — even those being used to respond to lingering impacts of Hurricanes Katrina and Sandy — would stall, and no new applications would be processed in case of a shutdown.


    Fugate said that while any urgent natural disasters would be attended to, because of the shutdown, the response could be sluggish or delayed.


    "If we have a no-notice event — a terrorist event, some kind of technological disaster or an earthquake, I'll be calling staff back in the same time we're responding," he said.


    FEMA head: DHS shutdown could impact terror, disaster response


    And it could impact the nation's ability to respond to future threats. Rep. Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat and ranking member of the Homeland Security Committee, said during a hearing this week that a DHS shutdown would halt "research and development work on countermeasures to devastating biological threats."


    Civil rights and civil liberties complaint lines and investigations would shut down as well.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/16/politi...-consequences/

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    What happens if DHS shuts down?

    By Alexandra Jaffe, CNN
    Updated 9:58 AM ET, Thu February 26, 2015




    Washington (CNN)Congress has just two days until Department of Homeland Security funding runs out, and it's anyone's guess whether they'll take the department off the cliff.

    On Monday night, the Senate again voted down a DHS funding bill that included a measure rolling back President Barack Obama's executive action delaying deportations for immigrants. But that night, a potential solution emerged as well, with Sen. Mitch McConnell announcing he'll bring a separate bill to the floor tackling Obama's immigration move, potentially allowing a clean DHS funding bill to move on its own track.

    McConnell changes tactics in DHS funding fight


    It's unclear whether the tactic will work, and conservatives are still expressing opposition to the move. But some Republicans have previously suggested that the fact that a Texas court recently issued an injunction against the order, pausing its implementation, could offer conservatives cover to vote for at least a short-term clean funding bill and use the time bought by the courts to figure out a solution to the immigration issue.


    DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson has said a shutdown would cause a "terrible disruption" for everyday Americans.


    Republicans, however, say the impact of a shutdown would be minimal, because most of DHS' operations are considered essential, and so would continue despite a funding lapse.


    So what would actually happen if Congress doesn't pass a funding bill in time?


    Would average Americans feel the impact of a shutdown?


    For most, not immediately. Communities that are home to a particularly large number of DHS staffers, including border towns where border patrol stations are located and some areas just outside of Washington with a heavy government contracting presence could take an economic hit.


    In those areas, thousands of workers could be furloughed or forced to work without pay, and in some of the smaller communities that can make a big difference to local businesses.


    Local fire departments and law enforcement operations could also lose staff that were funded by DHS grants, slowing emergency response efforts.


    Business owners looking to process immigration documents for their workers will have to wait till the shutdown passes, potentially affecting hiring. And officials have warned that low morale for DHS staffers could translate to slower service for Americans, particularly at airport security checkpoints.


    Some DHS employees would be furloughed — but most won't.


    Two kinds of government staffers are required to work during a shutdown: Employees whose salaries are paid for by funds outside the appropriations process, and those "whose work is necessary for the preservation of the safety of human life or the protection of property," according to the Congressional Research Service.

    Unsurprisingly, that latter part covers quite a lot of DHS' workforce.


    During the 2013 government shutdown, around 200,000 DHS employees were required to report to work, many of them without pay.


    McConnell makes concessions in DHS funding fight


    Those that are required to work include 50,000 TSA screeners, 40,000 active duty Coast Guard members, 13,000 immigration law enforcement officers, 40,000 border patrol and customs officers, and 4,000 Secret Service agents.


    But there would be some — around 30,000 or so — furloughs, mainly hitting the department's management and administrative functions. It's possible, though, that staffers furloughed could be called back to work in case of an emergency — and immediately re-furloughed after they handled the issue.


    That doesn't sound like it would be pleasant for DHS employees.


    It's not — and the potential hit to DHS morale is a serious problem with the possible shutdown. A third-party review of federal employees found DHS ranked dead last in employee satisfaction and commitment over the past two years, and morale actually declined in 2014. It's a challenge for the Department, which struggles to retain and recruit employees, and a shutdown wouldn't help.


    But it does sound necessary for, well, homeland security...

    Exactly. Many of DHS' most fundamental operations won't be impacted.

    A number of DHS programs are funded by fees, rather than congressional appropriations, and would continue to operate even if funding lapses.


    Those include the bureau's cybersecurity operations and the Federal Protective Service, the law enforcement agency that oversees federal buildings. Border security efforts, the TSA and intelligence gathering efforts, among others, are all key DHS activities that would remain.


    FEMA's disaster relief operations and the national flood insurance program would continue to operate.


    And most U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services operations, including the visa program, immigrant naturalization and asylum claims, would continue — except for the E-Verify system employers use to verify workers' visas, which would pause in case of a shutdown.


    Wait — so Obama's executive action on immigration, which started this mess, would still be implemented?


    Yep. It turns out defunding the agency that's implementing Obama's executive action delaying deportations for millions of immigrants won't prevent the executive action from taking effect.


    Republicans haven't given up, though. They're looking to add a policy rider to the bill extending funding for DHS that would block the executive order from taking effect — which remains a sticking point for Senate Democrats, who say they'll only vote for a clean funding bill.


    And even if House and Senate Republicans were able to pass a DHS funding bill that blocked Obama's immigration move, he would likely veto it.


    That's caused the current showdown. And Boehner's comments this weekend indicate there's no clear compromise yet.


    Then what DHS operations would take a hit?


    State law enforcement could feel the pain of a shutdown the most.


    Johnson has previously warned that, if DHS funding lapses, "we cannot engage in new starts, new spending, new initiatives, new grants to state and local law enforcement to fund homeland security missions."


    Many local law enforcement operations, including training, hiring of new staff and purchasing new equipment, are funded through DHS grants, and those would be discontinued during a shutdown.FEMA Administrator Craig Fugate said that disaster recovery grants — even those being used to respond to lingering impacts of Hurricanes Katrina and Sandy — would stall, and no new applications would be processed in case of a shutdown.


    Fugate said that while any urgent natural disasters would be attended to, because of the shutdown, the response could be sluggish or delayed.


    "If we have a no-notice event — a terrorist event, some kind of technological disaster or an earthquake, I'll be calling staff back in the same time we're responding," he said.


    FEMA head: DHS shutdown could impact terror, disaster response


    And it could impact the nation's ability to respond to future threats. Rep. Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat and ranking member of the Homeland Security Committee, said during a hearing this week that a DHS shutdown would halt "research and development work on countermeasures to devastating biological threats."


    Civil rights and civil liberties complaint lines and investigations would shut down as well.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/16/politi...-consequences/

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    Homeland Security Releases Plans in Advance of Possible Shutdown

    The Department of Homeland Security has released its plans for a potential shutdown of the agency after Congress failed Friday to pass a stopgap bill to keep it funded for three weeks.

    In a 46-page document
    , the department outlines what functions would be maintained in the event of a shutdown, including counter-terrorism watches, TSA checks, and Secret Service protections.

    Workers who perform those jobs would be required to work but would not be paid until Congress acts.


    Those who are not exempt - and thus subject to furlough -- include employees who work in research and development, auditing and training jobs. Those workers will have four hours on the first day of the funding lapse to prepare for the shutdown, doing tasks like securing classified materials.


    If Congress does not act before 11:59pm ET, the department will run out of funds.


    Lawmakers are scrambling to find a way to keep the agency funded, with House Republicans meeting behind closed doors in search of a way to break an intraparty impasse. Republicans are divided about what strategy to pursue - with some conservatives insisting on using the funding deadline to push a rollback of the president's executive action on immigration. And Democrats, who want DHS to be fully funded for a year and oppose the GOP's immigration demands, are not joining with House leaders to help pass a bill.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/cong...utdown-n314611

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    Homeland security was a nightmare of George W. Bush, a republican and it now is our nightmare. CIS at minimum must be removed from that umbrella if the dept. cannot be disbanded.

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