Thread: List: NC Representatives Opposing HB 1183

Also, the children that Bibles is speaking of that are American Citizens are probably also citizens of the nation of their parents. The entire family can return together to most countries. It would be unheard of for a citizen of a country to give birth in another land and not be able to claim citizenship for their natural children. My ex was born in Saudia Arabia because his parents were working there when he was born. He is an American Citizen because his parents are American Citizens..so if these children you are speaking of are Mexican, they are Mexican Citizens as well raising the issue of dual citizenship and allegiance to whom?? These children need to return to the homeland of their parents until they are of age to live independently of their parents....in my humble opinion.

Originally Posted by bibles

Why do we have to close the borders? They are only illegal because we did. The children of those who have come to the usa, to do the work, honestly we don't want to do, those who are working for low wages, and many do pay taxes under SS#'s that aren't theirs so they will never collect, just pay into our system, and we give them little in return. Hopefully we get the children into school, teach them english and teach them, or they may just become a burden on our society. These people are mostly very hard working people who want the best for their families, but because of our ridiculously difficult immigration laws, are here illegally, to employers who welcome them. They could never afford out of state tuition for college. It may be that these children could one day come up with a new fuel system that won't need gasoline, or find a cure for Aids, but will never have the chance. They could one day save your life, or one of your loved ones lives, but never have the chance.

The families I work with have the utmost respect for their teachers, their parents and other adults, something I cannot say for a higher percentage of american children. We can learn from them. The US was once called the melting pot, then somewhere we got mixed up and decided we are too good for others and closed our borders, if we would just open them up, we could benefit from eachother, instead of have a 3rd world country on our border, we could help our neighbors, and not be the bullies of the Americas.

But what I really want to get across, although I probably have many breathing fire right now. SAVE THE CHILDREN. They are wonderful if you get to know them, those trying to go to college are the children of the illegal immigrants, who won't be returning to Mexico as their younger brothers and sisters are American Citizens. We need to embrace them, or who knows what will happen to them, it won't be good for our society.

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jcalex, the American People can not be responsible for what you and Bibles suggest.

In a post some time back, I indicated that this would be the most difficult step Americans have ever undertaken because of the infiltration and why what the US Government has done equates to Treason.

We have no choice.

Open Borders is the end of the United States.

It has to be stopped whatever it takes.

It seems like "Bible" can't look at the entire picture - he/she sees only the humanism aspect of the argument.

Do Americans really want all this illegal immigration conflict?
I would say absolutely not.
What we (and I'm assuming here) want is for people to come here legally and respect our ways of living. We want them to be able to support themselves and their families once they arrive and not rely on our social systems to provide them with food, education and shelter. That's all.

The problem with the whole "can't we embrace them" scenario is this: it's been tried several times and failed miserably. What happens is the US grants some sort of "amnesty", de facto or otherwise, and many illegal immigrants become legal. By becoming legal, they now have access to additional social programs, that are funded by our tax contributions. The average illegal alien earns $9,000 per year, so they pay little to nothing in taxes to compensate the system for what they use and will use. Now, all the folks that are still in Mexico (and other countries with the easiest means to get to the US illegally) see an incredible opportunity. Get across the border, fly under the radar and be rewarded with legal status. So years after an amnesty we are right back in the same predicament as before the amnesty.
The IRCA amnesty of 1986 legalized roughly 3 million illegal immigrants. By the time the amnesty period was over, the illegal alien population was the same as it was before the amnesty. What does that tell us?
Amnesty of any kind is counterproductive.

Liberal folks like to label anti-illegal immigration folks as racists and bigots. We are all realists. I realize that presently this country cannot continue on the destructive course that is has been on for years. The lower and middle class legal Americans can never get a leg up. They pay taxes that drain a large part of their paychecks. In my opinion, it is the duty of this country to care for it's citizens and that can't be done effectively when our federal government is more concerned about assisting the citizens of other countries.

The US should inform Vincente Fox that we will withdraw our yearly 71 million dollar donation to Mexico if they do not cease in aiding Mexico citizens in crossing our borders.

The probelm with "embracing" these people is that we continue to get stepped on for being nice. Remember, nice guys finish last.

We should withdraw our $71 million annually anyway. It is a drop in the bucket and a total waste of tax payer money. We need to stop all transfer payments to Mexico; all bank wires to Mexico; until these transfers are confirmed legally earned income in the United States.

Stopping illegal immigration will be the hardest thing we ever do, but we have no choice, it must be done or lose everything Americans have stood for and developed and earned over the past 230 years as a nation and long before that as people.

The economic numbers are out.

The trade deficit predicted to shrink by the Traitors in DC....grew by another $4 Billion.

Every word spewing off the lips of our government is a lie to buy time and stall our anger and reaction to the truth once we learn it.

Some of us already know that truth, because we put forth the effort to seek it out and in return it found us.

"Seek and ye shall find".

That is a promise you can rely upon.

So everyone visiting our forum, try it....you won't like it....but it's something you must do as any adult in the United States that wants to call themselves an American Citizen.

Once you know the Truth, then you will know what to do.

Until then, you are operating in darkness, fog and confusion.

In this case, The Truth Will Keep Us Free.

Inkkey, welcome to ALIPAC!

Charity begins at home and that's what Mexico's corrupt and immoral dictator thug Vicente Fox and his criminal elite need to remember. Mexico swims in an ocean of oil profits, has vast natural resources, and billions in US and international aid, yet most of its population is poor and impoverished. That's because Mexico's government is a corrupt, violent, lawless, drug cartel infested third world hellhole that hordes public monies and loots and preys upon its own population while providing them nothing.

The United States has no fault in any of this whatsoever and attributing the plight of poor Mexicans to American cruelty and indifference is low grade stupidity and purposeful ignorance. The villian in the state of the Mexican people is and always has been their own dirty government who uses the "gringo" as a convenient whipping boy and the US as a dumping ground for their social and economic problems while its corrupt and tyrannical elite class pockets billions and lives in luxury. Vicente Fox and his criminal regime use illegal immigration as a safety vlave to avoid the inevitable revolution and their overthrow that would ensue if they weren't able to foist their massive social problems off on the backs of the US and its suffering taxpayers.

Instead of allowing Mexico to exploit its people and send them to the US to be taken care of, the cowardly and greedy globalist idiot in the White House should send the 1st and 2nd Marine Expeditionary forces into Mexico City and deliver an ultimatum to Vicente Fox and his cesspool of a government that if they do not reform their corrupt government and stop encouraging the flow of millions upon millions of their people illegally into the United States, we will do it for them and at the same time forcibly remove his sorry ass and replace him with someone who will. That's what a President, a leader, and a man would do. Unfortunately, we don't have one in the White House. We have a coward, a fool, and a traitor.