Thread: "Anglo" Muslim sues Ventura Sheriff over Hijab Removal

Originally Posted by Judy

Absolutely!! I oppose any and all government action that takes your right to vote away. I understand why it's hard to allow prisoners to vote in local elections, because of district residency issues, but in federal elections and Governor and statewide officials, they should be able to vote without question, same for those on parole, in half way houses, probation and full releases. No one should lose their right to vote at least in federal and statewide elections because the government locked you up. Otherwise, the government will target certain groups and lock them up so they can't vote, and that is discrimination to manipulate elections. We don't want that, or least we shouldn't want that.

Wow! Talk about paranoia. So criminals can vote to make crime legal. And you're okay with that. I guess you are for illegal aliens voting too. After all, they have a stake is what government does, especially to them. Sanctuary cities, they'd vote "Yes!" Open borders? They'd vote "Yes!" Citizenship for all who are withing our borders? "Yes!" Why have laws? They violate our Constitutional right to liberty.

Originally Posted by jtdc

Wow! Talk about paranoia. So criminals can vote to make crime legal. And you're okay with that. I guess you are for illegal aliens voting too. After all, they have a stake is what government does, especially to them. Sanctuary cities, they'd vote "Yes!" Open borders? They'd vote "Yes!" Citizenship for all who are withing our borders? "Yes!" Why have laws? They violate our Constitutional right to liberty.

You're right, those in prison would most certainly vote to weaken our criminal justice system if left to their own accord. However, there is also the chance that wardens and/or prison guards could physically force them to vote their way or sway their votes with the offer of more freedoms and benefits to make their prison stay more tolerable. Remember, the prisoners are captives and every waking minute of their day is controlled by someone else.

As for those on parole, they have yet to pay society back for their past criminal deed(s) and don't deserve to have their voting rights restored until they're straight with the criminal justice system.

I'm on the fence about former felons having their voting rights restored. Depending on their crime, maybe some of them should have their voting right restored, but that shouldn't include murderers, rapist and child abusers.

Originally Posted by jtdc

Wow! Talk about paranoia. So criminals can vote to make crime legal. And you're okay with that. I guess you are for illegal aliens voting too. After all, they have a stake is what government does, especially to them. Sanctuary cities, they'd vote "Yes!" Open borders? They'd vote "Yes!" Citizenship for all who are withing our borders? "Yes!" Why have laws? They violate our Constitutional right to liberty.

Why would I be for illegal aliens voting because I support prisoner and felon voting?! No illegal aliens can not vote, should not vote, should not even be in prison, they should be deported.

As to citizens in prison or felons, of course they should vote. They might be innocent, the law might be wrong, of course you have the right to vote on all issues and most certainly those that impact you.

Originally Posted by Judy

Why would I be for illegal aliens voting because I support prisoner and felon voting?!

Because they are both criminals, and you seem to want criminals to run our country. Washington is already giving us a good look at what that would be.

Originally Posted by Judy

No illegal aliens can not vote, should not vote, should not even be in prison, they should be deported.

We disagree that they shouldn't be in prison!

Originally Posted by Judy

As to citizens in prison or felons, of course they should vote. They might be innocent, the law might be wrong, of course you have the right to vote on all issues and most certainly those that impact you.

If they are found innocent they get that right back. But lawmakers before us included the loss of voting "privileges" as part of the punishment for the breaking of laws. Obviously, the druggies who can vote are decriminalizing drugs. And as more get hooked, there will be even more voting away crimes. It is just like illegal aliens allowed to vote would vote to make themselves legal.

A prisoner's self-interest is no different than yours. They have as much right to vote as you do.

Originally Posted by Judy

A prisoner's self-interest is no different than yours. They have as much right to vote as you do.

I vehemently disagree!

Originally Posted by Judy

Why would I be for illegal aliens voting because I support prisoner and felon voting?! No illegal aliens can not vote, should not vote, should not even be in prison, they should be deported.

For someone that claims to be a Republican, you sure have a lot of left leaning and Libertarian beliefs.

Yes, some illegal aliens should most certainly be in prison! Being an illegal doesn't give you immunity from prosecution for a criminal act. Deportation is not a punishment.

As to citizens in prison or felons, of course they should vote. They might be innocent, the law might be wrong, of course you have the right to vote on all issues and most certainly those that impact you.

Where voting is concerned, there are standards. Children, non-citizens and the mentally ill are not permitted to vote simply because they fail to meet the standards. Not meeting those standards means they haven't earned a role in self-government.

We also need to focus on the fact that prisoners are not very well informed about the political scope when incarcerated. Prisons are meant to keep its inmates locked in and the outside world locked out. Being cut off from society is a certain drawback when it comes to voting. In order to benefit the nation, voters need to be well versed and altruistic. Most uninformed prisoners will vote in support of a liberal agenda because it is a well established fact that Democrats are more likely to support and aid them. Democrats are also more likely to support weakening the criminal justice system.

Your position on this is very odd considering you claim to be a Republican.

It's not "odd" at all. The Republican Party supports individual rights, equal rights, civil rights, worker's rights and voting rights, it's why our party was founded.

Originally Posted by Judy

The Republican Party supports individual rights,

But not lawlessness! Prohibition was not a liberal idea. Religions have long sought to control people.

Originally Posted by Judy

equal rights, civil rights, worker's rights

Yes, about treating people of different races and social status the same.

Originally Posted by Judy

and voting rights

Yes, for citizens and those who are law abiding. But voting is not a inherent right. It is conditional.

Originally Posted by Judy

it's why our party was founded.

I'm sure it was about a lot more!

Voting is not "conditional". If you are a citizen and a resident of the state you vote in and of age, you have the right to vote under our Constitution. Any other condition you put on is a restriction and suppression of that right to vote.

"Law abiding" has nothing to do with it.