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    Quote Originally Posted by jtdc View Post
    After all these years, I think we should make up our minds. We are asked to bail out a separate country that is not obligated to pay all the taxes the people in states pay. But their government needs to be in line with the policies of the United States. Still I fear the adding of a apparently backward country to have voting power to change the direction of our country. So they need to earn the right, not just demand statehood.


    No, the U.S. should not bail out Puerto Rico.

    Puerto Rican's are self reliant and have lived under the authoritarian corrupt
    governors for decades. They have always wanted statehood but the criminals
    running government have blocked it. Why? because statehood would dry up the
    gravy train.

    When I say corrupt, think Bill and Hillary Clinton x 100

    The media never reports on Puerto Rico and most people here know absolutely nothing
    about the island, it's politics or nationals. Heck, most people don't even know it's a commonwealth!

    I can only recall 2 major events that took place where our media flooded local reports in the U.S.

    Hurricane Andrew and Irma.

    And what the media reported on was the illegal immigrant ghettos where everyone lives
    in make-shift housing. Of course there was devastation in these areas, no make-shift
    house held together by duck tape can withstand 100+ mile winds.

    The media did not show the vast majority of the island which has high-rise condominiums,
    beautiful homes and yes, Mansions!

    Give them statehood and let private money invest and rebuild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorrie View Post
    A full state.

    Under the leadership of our government and being a member in Congress, Puerto Rico
    can be a huge travel destination surplus. Like the Bahama's, Hawaii and Cuba 55 years ago.

    And it's only a 3 hour flight from Miami.

    The island is absolutely beautiful. Crystal blue water, I have never seen such beautiful oceans before.

    What people don't realize, English is there 'unofficial' national language. You must be fluent in the
    English language to graduate school. Both reading and writing.

    All Puerto Rican's speak English
    40% of Puerto Rico is on food stamps. There's a lot of poverty and government cheese takers there that I'm afraid would turn into Democrat voters. We don't need another heavily democrat state.

    Around 25 years ago I spent some time in Puerto Rico (3 months) and I saw a lot of slums and unemployed people that didn't really seem to have an interest in working. I'm not saying there weren't some nice areas, but the slum areas seemed to far outweigh the nicer ones. Making Puerto Rico a State won't do anything to improve tourism. Right now all an American needs to enter Puerto Rico is a state identification card (no passport required). I think the average income for the country is around $19,000 right now, however, it was much lower when I was there 25 years ago .... much, much lower.

    Right now more Puerto Ricans live in the United States than do in Puerto Rico. There is little to no opportunity for the youth there and they have left the island for the mainland (here) in droves. Puerto Rico has been in a recession for over a decade.

    There's a reason the Dems want the good folks of Puerto Rico to be able to vote in our elections and it's certainly not because a majority of them would vote Republican!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorrie View Post
    Absolutely and much safer than Mexico.

    Did you know you can drive around the entire island in 6 hours or across the island in 3 hours?
    No, I didn't know that. Like I said I just really don't know much about Puerto Rico. It sounds beautiful with so much potential and they should do all rebuilding with the hurricane proof construction, do all underground power lines, too. I'm actually getting excited about this! Where will we put the 51st star on the flag? I guess they'll just squeeze them all up a bit and squeeze it in. All Puerto Ricans are already US citizens right? So .... I mean why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    40% of Puerto Rico is on food stamps. There's a lot of poverty and government cheese tackers there that I'm afraid would turn into Democrat voters. We don't need another heavily democrat state.

    Around 25 years ago I spent some time in Puerto Rico (3 months) and I saw a lot of slums and unemployed people that didn't really seem to have an interest in working. I'm not saying there weren't some nice areas, but the slum areas seemed to far outweigh the nicer ones. Making Puerto Rico a State won't do anything to improve tourism. Right now all an American needs to enter Puerto Rico is a state identification card (no passport required). I think the average income for the country is around $19,000 right now, however, it was much lower when I was there 25 years ago .... much, much lower.

    Right now more Puerto Ricans live in the United States than do in Puerto Rico. There is little to no opportunity for the youth there and they have left the island for the mainland (here) in droves. Puerto Rico has been in a recession for over a decade.

    There's a reason the Dems want the good folks of Puerto Rico to be able to vote in our elections and it's certainly not because a majority of them would vote Republican!


    Yes that is correct.

    No different than here. The DemoRATS need uneducated illegal immigrants to live off government
    to stay in power.

    Same in Puerto Rico


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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    No, I didn't know that. Like I said I just really don't know much about Puerto Rico. It sounds beautiful with so much potential and they should do all rebuilding with the hurricane proof construction, do all underground power lines, too. I'm actually getting excited about this! Where will we put the 51st star on the flag? I guess they'll just squeeze them all up a bit and squeeze it in. All Puerto Ricans are already US citizens right? So .... I mean why not?
    One reason why not could be their voting record. It appears with Rubio getting 70% they are for open borders.

    To be honest we do not need any more shiny object to distract us away from the invasion of our country. Apparently Puerto Rico already has the illegal problem, so we would be taking on another country that has an invader problem already.

    Puerto Rico does not cast electoral votes for the president of the United States. It does, however, participate in the Democratic and Republican presidential nominating processes. Puerto Rico held Republican primary elections on March 6, 2016. The Democratic caucuses took place on June 5, 2016.
    Hillary Clinton won the Puerto Rico Democratic caucuses. Clinton also won the territory in 2008, defeating Barack Obama 68 to 32 percent.[1]
    Marco Rubio won the Puerto Rico 2016 Republican primary with more than 70 percent of the vote.[2] Donald Trump came in second with 13.8 .
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    stoptheinvaders wrote (excerpt):

    Hillary Clinton won the Puerto Rico Democratic caucuses. Clinton also won the territory in 2008, defeating Barack Obama 68 to 32 percent.[1]
    Marco Rubio won the Puerto Rico 2016 Republican primary with more than 70 percent of the vote.[2] Donald Trump came in second with 13.8 .
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but if memory serves me the Puerto Rico Democrat party also had around twice the delegates the Republicans had. Democrats had 50 something and the Republicans had 20 something.

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    Republicans have as good a chance if not a better chance of winning votes in Puerto Rico as Democrats once they're a full state and with the electoral college, the population of Puerto Rico is so small, it wouldn't really matter anyway. Besides, a lot of Republicans through businesses and trades would be living, working and voting in Puerto Rico during the redevelopment of Puerto Rico and many would retire there as well. I personally don't see their voting record as a territory as an issue one way or the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but if memory serves me the Puerto Rico Democrat party also had around twice the delegates the Republicans had. Democrats had 50 something and the Republicans had 20 something.

    RNC-----23
    DNC-----60

    So if Puerto Rico becomes a State 2 more Dem Senators and more Dem Representatives.
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    In Florida battleground, Puerto Ricans fleeing Maria's destruction reshape electoral landscape

    By Emily DeCiccio | Fox News

    How Puerto Ricans are reshaping Florida's voting landscape

    Hurricane Maria changed the electoral landscape in Florida's critical I-4 corridor with an influx of displaced Puerto Ricans who can now register to vote. Some influential community leaders open up about the power of the Puerto Rican vote.



    ORLANDO – Carmen ‘Millie’ Santiago arrived in Florida with her husband and two children after Hurricane Maria took everything – destroying her home and the child care center where she worked, forcing the family to leave Puerto Rico and start over.

    “Often, when people relocate to a new place, they have the opportunity to sell a couch or a mattress and have some money,” Santiago said. “The people who came here after Maria didn’t have the opportunity to do any of that. We are all here starting from scratch.”


    Santiago represents just one of the roughly 200,000 Puerto Ricans who fled their island for Florida after the Category 4 storm hit the U.S. territory last September.


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    But as they begin the painstaking work of rebuilding their lives in the Sunshine State, the influx of new residents has also commanded the attention of Florida’s officeholders and candidates. Taken together, these potential new voters represent a potent political force and their relocation could hold major implications for this year’s elections and beyond.

    Over 56,000 Puerto Ricans, including Santiago and her family, have settled in the Orlando area, according to estimates by the Center for Puerto Rican Studies at Hunter College in New York. Orlando is a critical part of what’s known as the I-4 corridor – which runs between St. Petersburg and Daytona Beach and has become one of America’s most contested political battlegrounds.

    'There’s an active campaign and fight for the soul of the Puerto Rican voter.'
    - Hector Cordero-Guzman, professor at Baruch College

    According to Census Bureau data, Puerto Ricans have voted 60 percent Democratic in past elections nationally. But these voters could well be up for grabs for both parties, in this year’s midterms and perhaps in 2020 – as Puerto Ricans pay close attention to candidates’ plans and promises for the island’s reconstruction and for those who fled.


    Donald Davison, a professor of political science at Rollins College, said it would be wrong to view their vote on a monolithic bloc for one party.




    “I think it’s a simplification to classify a Puerto Rican vote or a Hispanic vote as a party’s lock yet,” Davison said. “These are groups of voters that display a great complexity and subtlety.”

    In just one sign of how the population has expanded in a short period of time, nearly 14,000 people – three times as many as last year – showed up during the Puerto Rican parade in Central Florida in April.

    More significant, community leaders told Fox News that many registered there as first-time voters.


    'People are engaged,' Christian Lloyd Suarez says. (Benjamin Nazario)


    “People are engaged and involved and you saw a lot of people there registering voters,” Christian Lloyd Suarez, the Puerto Rican parade’s organizer, said.

    While a litmus test for political candidates wooing this important electorate traditionally has been their position on statehood for Puerto Rico, the view of the U.S. government’s controversial handling of post-Maria recovery aid has become just as important, community members and leaders say.


    Some Puerto Ricans felt the Trump administration offered insufficient help to the island in the wake of the disastrous storm. The island was allocated over $15 billion in federal aid earlier this year, though Puerto Rican leaders have asked for much more.


    “People are still watching and they’re seeing who’s helping our community, who’s voting in favor of legislation that will help our community,” community leader Zoé Colón told Fox News, noting that Puerto Ricans are not remaining passive. “… We are a force to be reckoned with.”


    Florida’s 2018 midterm election could be one of the most important in years. And candidates seeking all levels of public office have been courting Puerto Ricans, who have a long history in the state.


    Zoé Colón says, 'We are a force to be reckoned with.' (Benjamin Nazario)


    The governor's office is open this year, while several congressional seats will be competitive and Floridians will vote on 13 proposed constitutional amendments. Sitting Republican Gov. Rick Scott, who backs Puerto Rican statehood, also is challenging three-term Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson.

    The issue of displaced Puerto Ricans flared into a recent campaign controversy in a Florida congressional race – when Republican John Ward, a businessman running in Florida’s 6thDistrict, came under fire for saying those who relocated to Florida after Hurricane Maria shouldn't be allowed to vote.


    “I don't think that they should be allowed to register to vote,” he told a reporter, saying he "doesn't necessarily have a problem" with Puerto Ricans coming to the mainland United States but thinks the focus should be on their return. He said the U.S. should provide "the capital and resources to rebuild Puerto Rico, which is where I honestly think they belong."


    One of his primary opponents, former state representative Fred Costello, posted a video of the remarks on YouTube. State GOP Rep. Bob Cortes, a Costello supporter who is Puerto Rican, said of Ward, "Electing a candidate like that is dangerous and would be a disservice, not just to the Puerto Rican Americans he would disenfranchise, but to all freedom-loving Americans."


    In an interview with the Orlando Sentinel on May 22, though, Ward clarified his remarks and said he was referring to temporary, displaced Puerto Ricans.

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    “Puerto Ricans are American citizens, and if they’re going to be permanently living here in Florida, of course they can register and be welcomed into the community,” he said.
    Despite Ward’s comments, many Puerto Ricans may now consider Florida their long-term home.

    Hurricane Maria caused more than an estimated $100 billion in damage. The number of hurricane-related deaths remains in dispute; many experts believe it is in the hundreds, if not thousands, according to an Associated Press report.


    Hurricane Maria also caused the longest blackout in U.S. history, leaving the entire island of 3.3 million people without power, including those in hospitals and nursing homes who relied on respirators.


    Millie Santiago recalled to Fox News that she told her husband in the wake of Maria that they could “start in Florida from scratch, because we lost everything in Puerto Rico.”

    “It was at that moment when we enrolled in FEMA,” she said.

    Puerto Ricans leaders allege a contrast between the Trump administration’s response to Hurricane Maria, whose highest sustained winds hit 155 miles per hour, and Hurricane Irma, which hit Florida 10 days earlier and had maximum winds at 132 miles per hour.


    They note, for instance, that the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) activated its Transitional Sheltering Assistance (TSA) program on the day Irma struck, but the agency took more than a month to active it on the mainland for Hurricane Maria evacuees.


    Rev. José Rodríguez of Iglesia Episcopal Jesus de Nazareth, who has been helping many of the Puerto Rican families displaced by Maria, complained that families affected by Maria had to fight with the feds for hotel extensions while those affected by Irma did not.


    Jimmy Torres Vélez says Puerto Ricans who make Florida their new home are mindful of the impact their participation in elections can have on Puerto Rico. (Benjamin Nazario)


    “Why did Irma get extended without a fight, but the Puerto Rican families have to fight?” he asked.

    The Trump administration, though, has adamantly defended its response.


    “We've done unprecedented movement in terms of federal funding to provide for the people of Puerto Rico and others that have been impacted [by] these storms,” White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said last September. “We'll … continue to do everything that we possibly can under the federal government to provide assistance.”


    Brendan Ramirez, CEO of the Pan American Behavioral Health Services of Florida, said political candidates cannot dismiss Puerto Ricans’ concerns, though.


    “You don’t have to look any further than the 2016 presidential election, where voters felt marginalized and did something that nobody thought they would be able to do, and the reason that they did that was precisely because they felt like they were marginalized,” he said. “That’s what you’re going to see here in Central Florida with new and established Puerto Ricans.”


    Puerto Ricans long have been rooted in Florida, first in the southern end of the state and in later years in the central region. Their numbers in Central Florida have grown dramatically in recent years in response to the economic crisis on the island, prompting many professionals and more affluent Puerto Ricans to leave.


    Jimmy Torres Vélez, coordinator for Boricua Vota, said that Puerto Ricans who make Florida their new home are mindful of the impact their participation in elections on the mainland can have on Puerto Rico.


    “Here, we have an opportunity and can vote,” Velez said, “and we need to make sure that people understand that by voting here, they can help Puerto Rico.”


    Fernando Rivera, professor of Sociology at University of Central Florida, said the connection between Puerto Ricans on the island and the mainland has “grown stronger” since the storm. “The U.S. Congress has a lot to say and do, as to the future of the island,” he said.


    Millie Santiago said there should be no question about the determination of Puerto Ricans. “I can tell you firmly that we’re hard-working people. We’re on the streets fighting to get ahead and we are here for everyone, not just fighting for our own skin; we stick together,” said Santiago. “I want people to understand that. We’re here to fight, not just for our fellow Puerto Ricans, but for all the Latinos that find themselves here without housing.”


    The most recent data shows that in 2015, about 769,000 Puerto Ricans in Florida were eligible to vote. Groups like Boricua Vota, Mi Familia Vota and UnidosUS are making major pushes to register Hispanic voters in the state. Their leaders say they expect to register a combined total of 35,000 new Puerto Rican voters.


    Christian Lloyd Suarez said lawmakers from both parties have an opportunity to make their case to Puerto Rican voters. “A lot of Puerto Ricans don’t identify as a Democrat or as a Republican … so I think there’s a real opportunity for Puerto Ricans to be persuaded,” Suarez said.


    As Hector Cordero-Guzman, a professor at Baruch College Marxe School of Public and International Affairs, put it, “There’s an active campaign and fight for the soul of the Puerto Rican voter.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Republicans have as good a chance if not a better chance of winning votes in Puerto Rico as Democrats once they're a full state and with the electoral college, the population of Puerto Rico is so small, it wouldn't really matter anyway. Besides, a lot of Republicans through businesses and trades would be living, working and voting in Puerto Rico during the redevelopment of Puerto Rico and many would retire there as well. I personally don't see their voting record as a territory as an issue one way or the other.
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