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    CHRISTIAN RIGHT JUST DOESN'T GET IT

    CHRISTIAN RIGHT JUST DOESN'T GET IT


    By Pastor Chuck Baldwin

    December 7, 2007

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    These are people I have known most of my life. They are my friends. I have spoken at their gatherings and rallies, participated in their discussions, and prayed with them. Of course, I'm talking about the fine men and women who can be categorized as the Christian Right.

    On the whole, we share the same values and principles. We are pro-life; we stand for marriage as God defined it; we believe in the right to keep and bear arms; we support capital punishment (albeit I will be the first to admit that there are many inequities in the application of capital punishment that desperately need to be rectified); we believe children should have the right to pray in school; we believe former Alabama Chief Justice Roy S. Moore Jr. had every right to post the Ten Commandments in the Rotunda of the Alabama Supreme Court building, and before that, a plaque of the Ten Commandments in his Circuit Court building in Gadsden; and we believe in limited government.

    In 1980 and 1984, I joined my friends in the Christian Right in helping Ronald Reagan achieve two landslide victories. In fact, as the Executive Director for the Florida Moral Majority, I helped my friend, the late Jerry Falwell, register more than 50,000 evangelical voters during those years.

    In 2000 and 2004, my wife and I could not in good conscience vote for G.W. Bush, so we cast an independent ballot those two elections. However, there is no question that, to a great extent, it was the Christian Right's almost universal support for George W. Bush that gave him two terms in the White House.

    Unfortunately, it has been the Christian Right's blind support for President Bush in particular and the Republican Party in general that has precipitated a glaring and perhaps fatal defect: the Christian Right cannot, or will not, honestly face the real danger confronting these United States. The reason for this blindness is due, in part, to political partisanship or personal aggrandizement. Regardless, the Christian Right is currently devoid of genuine sagacity. On the whole, they fail to understand the issues that are critical to our nation's--and their own--survival.

    Republican candidates have learned how to "talk the language." They know that Christians are basically compassionate and trusting people, and therefore prone to being gullible and easily manipulated. They know that Christians have short memories and are desperate to be accepted at the king's table (largely a result of the church-growth movement and mega-church mentality).

    It is at this point that much blame should be cast at the feet of the leaders of the so-called Religious Right. They have proven themselves to be much more interested in enriching their "ministries" (and themselves in the process) than they are in standing uncompromisingly for the truth. The infatuation with power and success has made them weak and vulnerable.

    As a result, George W. Bush and Karl Rove have made mincemeat out of the Religious Right. They have shown everyone that once you win the support of the Christian Right with rhetoric, you can get by with just about anything. Christians are horrible at holding Republicans accountable.

    Hence, neocon Republicans such as Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, Mike Huckabee, and even Rudy Giuliani are all currently receiving fractured support from the Christian Right. However, you can mark this down: the Christian Right (with few exceptions) will eventually coalesce around whoever wins the Republican nomination--no matter who it is. You see, it's all about political partisanship. Principles are only something we talk about during off-election years.

    Sadly, this is what the Christian Right just doesn't get: ninety percent of the time, it doesn't matter to a tinker's dam whether a Republican or Democrat wins the White House. Both parties are mostly dominated and controlled by the same interests. Both major parties carry water for Big Money conglomerates. Both parties are heavily influenced by globalists and internationalists. Neither party has any loyalty to the U.S. Constitution or the principles of liberty.

    All the pro-life, pro-family, traditional-values, conservative talk is just that: talk. Republicans use conservative rhetoric the same way Democrats use liberal rhetoric. Neither party believes what they are telling their constituents. They merely say what constituents want to hear in order to get elected; after which, they set about to do what their elitist, globalist manipulators tell them to do.

    Accordingly, no matter which party wields power in Washington, D.C., nothing much changes. Oh, there might be a little variance here or there, but the overall agenda of the globalists is undeterred. And the Christian Right just doesn't get it. They don't see it. They have swallowed the partisan line all the way to the gullet.

    Let's have a reality check here. The globalist-handlers running things in Washington, D.C., for the most part, could not care less about abortion or gay marriage, one way or the other. They will gladly give their support to "pro-life" and "pro-family" candidates as quickly as they will to "pro-choice" or "pro-gay marriage" candidates. As long as the candidate will offer no resistance to their plans for global government, they could not care less about his or her position on social issues. And, once again, the Christian Right just doesn't get it.

    Somewhere down the line, the Christian Right has lost track of the importance of constitutional government. They have forgotten (or never learned) the principles of liberty. Sadly, the Christian Right has allowed The Bill of Rights to become an antiquated and incidental document with no importance whatsoever to them.

    Beyond that, in many respects, the Christian Right has become as totalitarian in philosophy as many of the Pagan Left. One should understand that the extremes of both left and right end up at the same place: tyranny.

    Take a conservative rightwinger to the extreme and one ends up with Adolf Hitler. Take a liberal leftwinger to the extreme and one ends up with Joseph Stalin. So, which is worse? It is hardly worth arguing about. Tyranny is tyranny regardless of the label of the one exercising it.

    So what if the Democrats hate the Republicans and the Republicans hate the Democrats (the Nazis hated the Bolsheviks and vice versa). If both parties are dismantling constitutional government and stealing personal liberties, they are equally dangerous. And that is exactly where we are today. On the whole, Republicans are just as dangerous as Democrats. In fact, more constitutional freedoms have been lost under George W. Bush than any President (including Democrats) in modern memory.

    (See: And remember, this report is five years old.)

    Have you wondered why Mike Huckabee is suddenly getting so much favorable attention from the mainstream media (who themselves are controlled by this gaggle of global elite)? To find the answer as to why a professing pro-life, conservative Christian would suddenly become the darling of the media, look no further than the fact that just a couple of months ago, Mr. Huckabee appeared before the globalist-minded Council on Foreign Relations. (Read his speech here) And when he did, it became abundantly clear that Huckabee was a man globalists could trust.

    By the way, as you read Huckabee's speech, you will find that he is George W. Bush on steroids! This is a man who intends to meddle in the affairs of nations around the world like you can't believe. Talk about entangling alliances: Huckabee intends for our State, Energy, Housing, Education, Justice, Treasury, and Transportation departments to spend untold billions of tax dollars on just about anything and everything, including schools, medical facilities, roads, sewage treatment, water filtration, electricity, and legal and banking systems in countries all over the globe. And that is exactly the kind of man the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) wants in Washington.

    Make no mistake about it: the CFR has dominated every administration, Republican and Democrat, since World War II. They hold sway over most every critical Presidential appointment. Look carefully and one will discover that the Republican President George W. Bush has had as many CFR members in his administration as Democrat President Bill Clinton did in his. The last time I counted, President Bush had nearly 200 members of the CFR in his administration.

    Remember that the total number of CFR members is less than 5,000. Can one imagine what people would think if, say, the old Christian Coalition, which at one time numbered in the hundreds of thousands, had nearly 200 members in any one administration? Talk about conjectures of a conspiracy: the media would go ballistic. Yet, each and every administration, regardless of party, continues to fill their ranks with members of the CFR, and with those friendly with the CFR, and no one seems to notice. Do you now understand why nothing changes no matter which party wins the White House?

    Now consider the current presidential candidates who are also members of the CFR. These include Christopher Dodd, Bill Richardson, John McCain, and Fred Thompson. Hillary is not a member of the CFR, but her husband, Bill, is. Plus, she has a plethora of advisors who are CFR members. And even though Mike Huckabee is not on this list (neither is George W. Bush), it is obvious that he will carry water for them in much the same way as the current President has done. Barack Obama has spoken at least once for the CFR. John Edwards has appeared before the CFR several times. Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney both wrote for the CFR and have numerous advisors who are CFR members, as do Edwards and Obama.

    This also explains why independent-minded candidates such as Ron Paul are forever cast in terms such as "fringe," or "extremist," or "nutty." The same CFR elite that controls the Washington political establishment also controls the New York media and financial establishments. And they hate outsiders! Of course, outsiders are those who do not share the globalist, utopian, New World Order machinations of the CFR.

    Until the American people--and especially people within the Christian Right--begin to awaken to what is really going on, nothing will change. Absolutely nothing. As one person said, "The height of absurdity is to continue to vote for the same thing and expect a different result."

    A vote for just about every major presidential candidate from either party is a vote for more of the same thing. Of the Presidential candidates in serious contention, Ron Paul, and Ron Paul alone, stands for change. Ron Paul, alone, would truly obey his oath to the Constitution and would work to restore freedom and liberty to the American people. Ron Paul, alone, would kick the globalist elite out of power in Washington, D.C., and restore this country to constitutional governance.

    But, once again, the Christian Right just doesn't get it. So, they will continue to support establishment, CFR-backed, globalist candidates who will, in turn, continue to do the bidding of the international elite.



    One would think that Christians--more than anyone else--would understand the devilish nature of globalism. One would think that their study of the Sacred Text would lead them to resist any attempts at building modern-day Towers of Babel. One would think that Christians would love liberty enough to recognize its enemies. One would think that they would recognize that Washington, D.C., is a far greater threat to their freedom than either Baghdad or Tehran. But, alas, the Christian Right just doesn't get it.

    That is the difference between the Christian Right today and the Christians of 1776. They understood that "when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a DESIGN [emphasis added] to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security." (Declaration of Independence)



    When the Christian Right finally awakens to the "Design" behind the "long train of abuses and usurpations," they will then be able to "throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security." But, alas, these people I love and am pleased to call friends, the good people of the Christian Right: they just don't get it.

    © 2007 Chuck Baldwin - All Rights Reserved

    http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin417.htm

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    They know that Christians have short memories and are desperate to be accepted at the king's table (largely a result of the church-growth movement and mega-church mentality).
    Speak for your self Bud

    The last time I counted, President Bush had nearly 200 members of the CFR in his administration
    Christian Coalition, which at one time numbered in the hundreds of thousands, had nearly 200 members in any one administration?
    This guy has no Idea what he is talking about...


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    But its clearer just why ....

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    Good post minnie
    I was one of those that didn't get it, but I do now. I won't vote for anyone who is a member of CFR. History PROVES the agenda they have, and that is to help the UN lord it over the whole globe and control it....even the pot we pee in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GREGAGREATAMERICAN
    They know that Christians have short memories and are desperate to be accepted at the king's table (largely a result of the church-growth movement and mega-church mentality).
    Speak for your self Bud

    [quote:wnhmtgwh]The last time I counted, President Bush had nearly 200 members of the CFR in his administration
    Christian Coalition, which at one time numbered in the hundreds of thousands, had nearly 200 members in any one administration?
    This guy has no Idea what he is talking about...


    Pastor Chuck Baldwin on behalf of Ron Paul

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    But its clearer just why ....[/quote:wnhmtgwh]

    Your in denial.

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    The mega churches spoken about in this article make the rest of us christians look bad. Pastors like Joel Osteen and Rick Warren(CFR member),to name a few, are only interested in making thier churches even larger and richer. Joel Osteen just sounds like a motivational speaker with a little of the Gospel mixed in, and talks about how good you should feel about everything and how rich you can get.
    I've been to Rick Warren's church in the past, and it's a bunch of New Age garbage. Rick Warren has had both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton as speakers at his church just recently(rallying the troops to the left). What bussiness does Rick Warren have being a member of the CFR and speak at UN engagements? My conclusion is to spread the false gospel.

    Churches are falling away from the TRUE gospel in exchange for a liberal, enviromental, New Age, get rich apostasy. That's why christians are buying into the politician's lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doots

    Churches are falling away from the TRUE gospel in exchange for a liberal, enviromental, New Age, get rich apostasy. That's why christians are buying into the politician's lies.
    A big example is Pat Robertson supporting Rudy Guilliani . And others the open borders Mike Huckabee

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    Quote Originally Posted by minnie
    Quote Originally Posted by Doots

    Churches are falling away from the TRUE gospel in exchange for a liberal, enviromental, New Age, get rich apostasy. That's why christians are buying into the politician's lies.
    A big example is Pat Robertson supporting Rudy Guilliani . And others the open borders Mike Huckabee
    Perfect example. Your right on the money there. (no pun intended.)

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    Can one imagine what people would think if, say, the old Christian Coalition, which at one time numbered in the hundreds of thousands, had nearly 200 members in any one administration

    The 'if' was left out when this man was quoted - that makes a big difference.

    He absolutely is speaking the truth -


    I am not saying Ron Paul is the best - personally I think so - but I understand the room for debate between three of the candidates.

    The fact is, this man has hit the nail on the head with this.

    People do have short memories and it's not just the Chritian Right, whatever that really is. It is all of us. If we didn't have short memories, we wouldn't keep voting these people into office. The only other explanation would be we are masochists.

    He is absolutely right about the so-called two party system, they have no moral code, no love for this country - they have an agenda for a globalist world.

    He is wrong in saying not much as changed - it has steadily changed. It has been rolling along to the same destination since probably Nixon - maybe Wilson - regardless of who is in office, who runs the congress - the agenda is humming along.

    As long as we continue to align ourselves with some mythical political party and deny that we have been had big time - we are going nowhere.

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    nntrixie If you are implying I left the (If) out on purpose to sway anyone,. you would be wrong... but there has been a few administrations that has had more then 200... Get your facts right

    In America a minister has no business telling the public who we or his congregation need to be supporting for any government office.(even if its a suggestion or made to look like one) It’s neither ethical nor practical in any church. It is simply not done and when it is, it breaks up the churches and takes away from the job that the minister is being paid to do.
    At lest he is not calling him self Reverend, because there certainly isn’t anything reverend about him. If this ordained man wants my respect then maybe he will write something deserving to be shown some respect by Christians… I believe this man is acting as somebody's agent or representative other then the lords... Not Good for him or his laymen...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GREGAGREATAMERICAN
    They know that Christians have short memories and are desperate to be accepted at the king's table (largely a result of the church-growth movement and mega-church mentality).
    Speak for your self Bud

    [quote:1vtsfpd3]The last time I counted, President Bush had nearly 200 members of the CFR in his administration
    Christian Coalition, which at one time numbered in the hundreds of thousands, had nearly 200 members in any one administration?


    This guy has no Idea what he is talking about...


    Pastor Chuck Baldwin on behalf of Ron Paul

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    But its clearer just why ....[/quote:1vtsfpd3]


    SORRY TO TELL YOU NEED TO READ MORE IN ORDER TO LEARN WHAT IS GOING ON.
    THINGS ARE VERY COMPLEX AND PRAYER ONLY WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEMS.

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