Thread: CHRISTIAN RIGHT JUST DOESN'T GET IT

Originally Posted by GREGAGREATAMERICAN

Funny how some People just never see the truth about a canidate till you show them .
Na this aint funny
Im sure some people still wont see...

Ron Paul Freedom of choice isnt just about abortion...

Just what exactly was it that I was supposed to see Greg? I think you are the one that isn't seeing the point......

"The government cannot protect people from themselves otherwise it becomes tyranny"

Now seriously think about that statement and maybe you might get the point.

Since I can't get an answer to my question, I'll just deal with this post in it's entirety and let the chips fall where they may.

Originally Posted by GREGAGREATAMERICAN

INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS-- He opposes the right of women to be free to control their own reproductive systems if they happen to live in particular states or other countries, or if they work for the Peace Corps.

Ron Paul introduces three pro-life bills

H.R.1095: To prohibit any Federal official from expending any Federal funds for any population control or population planning program or any family planning activity.

H.R.777: To prohibit any Federal official from expending any Federal funds for any population control or population planning program or any family planning activity.

H.R.1548: To prohibit any Federal official from expending any Federal funds for any population control or population planning program or any family planning activity.

H.AMDT.1003 (A024): Amendment no. 17 printed in the Congressional Record to prohibit the use of funding for abortion, family planning, or population control efforts.

H.AMDT.380 (A022): An amendment no. 9 printed in the Congressional Record to prohibit funding for population control or population planning programs; family planning activities; or abortion procedures.

H.AMDT.312 (A011): An amendment, printed as amendment No. 32 in the Congressional Record of July 16, 1997, to prohibit the use of funds appropriated in the bill for Family Planning, birth control or abortion.

H.R.4984: A bill to prohibit the use of funds for the Peace Corps to be used for travel expenses of individuals in order for abortions to be performed on those individuals.

-- He wants to erase the distinction in U.S. law between a zygote and a person

H.R.2597: To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.

H.R.1094: To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.

H.R.776: To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception

H.R.392: A bill proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States guaranteeing the right to life.

Abortion is rightly not the pervue of the Federal government. It's regulation is entirely a State's rights issue. Federal funds should NOT be used to promote or procure abortions. I'll give you a reason I personally believe life begins at conception if you want me to, just ask.

In other words, I agree with ALL of the above actions.

He would deny the use of the Federal court system -- and even Federal precedent -- to people discriminated against because of their religious beliefs or sexual orientation. This would also limit the cross-state recognition of same-sex marriages. Some of these bills he cynically calls this the "We the People Act".

H.R.300: To limit the jurisdiction of the Federal courts, and for other purposes.

H.R.4379: To limit the jurisdiction of the Federal courts, and for other purposes.

H.R.5739: To limit the jurisdiction of the Federal courts, and for other purposes.

H.R.3893: To limit the jurisdiction of the Federal courts, and for other purposes.

H.R.1547: To restore first amendment protections of religion and religious speech.

H.R.4922: To restore first amendment protections of religion and speech.

H.R.5078: To restore first amendment protections of religion and speech.

Again, this is a State issue, not a Federal one.

This includes limits on courts' hearing cases related to abortion, and he has introduced bills specific to these kinds of cases. He also uses the deceptive term "partial-birth abortion".

H.R.1545: To prohibit Federal officials from paying any Federal funds to any individual or entity that performs partial-birth abortions.

H.R.1546: To provide that the inferior courts of the United States do not have jurisdiction to hear abortion-related cases.

H.R.2875: To provide that the inferior courts of the United States do not have jurisdiction to hear abortion-related cases.

H.R.3400: To provide that the inferior courts of the United States do not have jurisdiction to hear abortion-related cases.

H.R.3691: To provide that the inferior courts of the United States do not have jurisdiction to hear partial-birth abortion-related cases.

H.R.15169: A bill to eliminate the appellate jurisdiction of the U.S. Supreme Court with respect to certain abortion cases.

There is nothing deceptive about the term 'partial birth abortion'. The baby travels down the birth canal, then the abortionist inserts a suction tube into the base of the skull and sucks the brains out, collapsing the skull. This procedure is done AT FULL TERM.

As for the rest of these, again it's a State issue, not a Federal one.

-- Even though he claims to be a "libertarian", he opposes people's freedom to burn or destroy their own copies of the design of the U.S. flag

H.J.RES.80: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States authorizing the States to prohibit the physical destruction of the flag of the United States and authorizing Congress to prohibit destruction of federally owned flags.

H.J.RES.82: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States authorizing the States to prohibit the physical destruction of the flag of the United States and authorizing Congress to prohibit destruction of federally owned flags.

I agree with this, too.

LAWS IMPROVING THE LOT OF THE WORKING CLASS

-- He has tried to repeal the Occupational Safety and Health Act:

H.R.2310: A bill to repeal the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970.

H.R.13264: A bill to repeal the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970

Another Federal intrusion into State's rights

-- He would like to make it much easier to decertify labor unions:

H.R.694: To amend the National Labor Relations Act to permit elections to decertify representation by a labor organization.

If workers don't WANT to be represented by a union, they SHOULD be allowed to vote on it.

-- He opposes the Minimum Wage:

H.R.2962: A bill to repeal all authority of the Federal Government to regulate wages in private employment.

-- He would deny the prevailing wage to employees of federal contractors, and remove prohibition on kickbacks in Federal projects:

H.R.736: To repeal the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act.

H.R.2720: To repeal the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act.

The minimum wage is another example of the Federal government inserting itself into State's issues. The Davis-Bacon Act actually suppresses wages when it is invoked. You should read up on it.

-- He wants to severely weaken Social Security:

H.R.2030: A bill to amend the Social Security Act and the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 to make social security coverage completely optional for both present and future workers, to freeze benefit levels, to provide for the partial financing of future benefits from general revenues subject to specified conditions, to eliminate the earnings test, to make changes in the tax treatment of IRA accounts, and for other purposes.

H.R.4604: A bill to repeal the recently enacted requirement of mandatory social security coverage for employees of nonprofit organizations.

Social Security is the largest rip-off of American taxpayers in HISTORY!! The Communists CHEERED when it was enacted and it's been a liability EVER SINCE.

VOTER ISSUES

-- He has come out against attempts to make the United States more democratic, including the idea of eliminating the Electoral College, even *after* the debacle in the 2000 Presidential election:

H.CON.RES.48: Expressing the sense of the Congress in reaffirming the United States of America as a republic.

H.CON.RES.443: Expressing the sense of the Congress in reaffirming the United States of America as a republic.

-- He wants to repeal the "Motor Voter" Act, which has made it easier for people to register to vote.

H.R.2139: To repeal the National Voter Registration Act of 1993.

This country is NOT a democracy, it's a representative Republic. A democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. The 'Motor Voter' Act simply made it easier for ineligible people (like illegal aliens) to illegally vote. It should have been called the "Voter Fraud Act."

CORPORATE POWER

-- He would repeal significant portions of antitrust law, including the Sherman Antitrust Act, the Clayton Antitrust Act, and others.

H.R.1247:
To ensure and foster continued patient safety and quality of care by exempting health care professionals from the Federal antitrust laws in their negotiations with health plans and health insurance issuers.

H.R.1789: To restore the inherent benefits of the market economy by repealing the Federal body of statutory law commonly referred to as "antitrust law", and for other purposes.

I haven't yet studied this issue, but I'll get back to you.

-- He would gut the regulatory power of Federal agencies, forcing Congress to micromanage all decisions:

H.R.1204: A bill to an Act to restore the rule of law.

This is a BAD thing???

DISCRIMINATION

-- He has tried to make it easier for racial and ethnic discrimination in our society:

H.R.3863:
A bill to provide that the Internal Revenue Service may not implement certain proposed rules relating to the determination of whether private schools have discriminatory policies.

H.R.5842: A bill to make all Iranian Students in the United States ineligible for any form of federal aid.

H.R.4982: A bill to provide for civil rights in public schools.

Private schools are just that, PRIVATE, and shouldn't be FORCED to hire anyone they don't agree with. The Boy Scouts shouldn't be forced to hire gay Scout leaders, either.

-- He would propose an amendment to the Constitution to gut the Fourteenth Amendment by denying citizenship to people born here whose parents aren't already citizens "nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States". That latter part could produce some serious political discrimination, especially if radicals can have their citizenship revoked:

H.J.RES.46: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

H.J.RES.46: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

H.J.RES.42:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

This has nothing to do with revoking citizenship based on political bent. Radicals would NOT lose their citizenship.

ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION

-- He would limit or try to repeal various environmental protection laws and regulations, including the Clean Air Act, the Soil and Water Conservation Act, and the use of devices that protect the "bycatch" of sea life:

H.J.RES.104: To disapprove a rule issued by the Environmental Protection Agency relating to proposed revisions to the national pollutant discharge elimination system program and Federal antidegradation policy and the proposed revisions to the water quality planning and management regulations concerning total maximum daily load.

A perfect example of Orwellian double-speak. The EPA's 'proposed revisions' would have allowed MORE pollution, not less.

H.R.3735: To disapprove a rule requiring the use of bycatch reduction devices in the shrimp fishery of the Gulf of Mexico.

H.R.4423: To amend the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act to provide that the Gulf of Mexico red snapper fishery shall be managed in accordance with such fishery management plans, regulations, and other conservation and management as applied to that fishery on April 13, 1998.

These would allow small family fishermen to compete with the large commercial mega-corporations on a more equal footing. Looking out for the 'little guy' is what Dr. Paul does best.

H.R.2504: A bill to amend the Clean Air Act to postpone for one year the application of certain restrictions to areas which have failed to attain national ambient air quality standards and to delay for one year the date required for adoption and submission of State implementation plans applicable to these areas, and for other purposes.

H.R.7079: A bill to repeal the Soil and Water Conservation Act of 1977.

H.R.7245: A bill to amend section 404 of the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to restrict the jurisdiction of the United States over the discharge of dredged or fill material to discharges into waters which are navigable and for other purposes.

Ron Paul also has a lot of bills relating to the shrimp industry and trying to block competition. Maybe he's in their pocket?

I haven't yet studied these, either. His efforts on behalf of the small, independent shrimpers is legendary in his district. It's one of the reasons he keeps getting re-elected so easily. Again, looking out for the little guy and standing against unfair competition from Corporate monsters.

-- He would promote offshore oil-drilling, the construction of more refineries, coal-mining on Federal lands, and block conservation measures. This would further threaten our coastal and internal environments, and further trap our economy in fossil-fuel dependency:

H.R.2415: To reduce the price of gasoline by allowing for offshore drilling, eliminating Federal obstacles to constructing refineries and providing incentives for investment in refineries, suspending Federal fuel taxes when gasoline prices reach a benchmark amount, and promoting free trade.

H.R.4004: To reduce the price of gasoline by allowing for offshore drilling, eliminating Federal obstacles to constructing refineries and providing incentives for investment in refineries, suspending Federal fuel taxes when gasoline prices reach a benchmark amount, and promoting free trade.

H.R.393: A bill to amend section 404 of the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to restrict the jurisdiction of the United States over discharge of dredged or fill material to discharges into waters which are navigable and for other purposes.

H.R.4639: A bill to repeal all Federal regulations and taxes on the production of fuel.

H.R.5293: A bill to prohibit the imposition of unreasonable severance taxes or fees on coal or lignite mined from Federal lands.

H.R.6936: A bill to prohibit the Secretary of Energy from promulgating any federal emergency energy conservation plan which would restrict recreational boating.

I don't know what recreational boating has to do with it, but I do know that I agree with every other piece of listed legislation. We should make it EASIER to drill for OUR oil, not harder. They should open up ANWR, too.

-- He has fought ratification of the Law of the Sea. As President would he "un-sign" it?

H.CON.RES.56: Expressing the sense of the Congress that the United States should not ratify the Law of the Sea Treaty.

The LOST treaty would give the UN control of 80% of the ocean floor. I oppose the LOST treaty and SO SHOULD YOU!!!

INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS AND MILITARY ISSUES

-- This "champion of peace" wanted to prohibit the dismantling of ICBM silos in the U.S.:

H.R.1665: To prohibit the destruction during fiscal year 2002 of intercontinental ballistic missile silos in the United States.

H.R.3769: To prohibit the destruction during fiscal year 2001 of intercontinental ballistic missile silos in the United States.

-- He would continue U.S. opposition to the International Criminal Court, despite the usefulness of this body for prosecuting war-crimes that are not challenged domestically.

H.R.1154: To provide that the International Criminal Court is not valid with respect to the United States, and for other purposes.

H.AMDT.480 (A010): An amendment numbered 9 printed in part A of House Report 107-450 to prohibit funds authorized in the bill from being used to assist, cooperate with, or provide any support to the International Criminal Court.

H.R.4169: To provide that the International Criminal Court is not valid with respect to the United States, and for other purposes.

H.CON.RES.23: Expressing the sense of the Congress that President George W. Bush should declare to all nations that the United States does not intend to assent to or ratify the International Criminal Court Treaty, also referred to as the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, and the signature of former President Clinton to that treaty should not be construed otherwise.

H.RES.416: Expressing the sense of the Congress regarding the International Criminal Court.

-- He has promoted the Bricker Amendment to the Constitution, and otherwise sought limit the protections of international law. He would also prohibit U.S. courts from citing foreign laws or policies (other than English ones) in their decisions:

H.J.RES.1028: A resolution proposing the Bricker amendment to the Constitution of the United States relative to force and effect of treaties and executive agreements.

H.J.RES.492: A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relative to force and effect of treaties and Executive agreements.

H.CON.RES.49: Expressing the sense of Congress that the Treaty Power of the President does not extend beyond the enumerated powers of the Federal Government, but are limited by the Constitution, and any exercise of such Executive Power inconsistent with the Constitution shall be of no legal force or effect.

H.R.4118: To ensure that the courts interpret the Constitution in the manner that the Framers intended.

H.R.1658: To ensure that the courts interpret the Constitution in the manner that the Framers intended.

-- He would end U.S. participation in the United Nations. Failing that he would prohibit or severely curtail appropriations for U.S. payments to the U.N. or its affiliated agencies. Please note that isolationism is not the same as anti-imperialism:

H.R.1146: To end membership of the United States in the United Nations.

H.R.1146: To end membership of the United States in the United Nations.

H.AMDT.285 (A03: An amendment numbered 11 printed in the Congressional Record to prohibit use of funds in the bill to pay any United States contribution to the United Nations or any affiliated agency of the United Nations

H.R.1146: To end membership of the United States in the United Nations.

H.AMDT.190 (A024): Amendment sought to prohibit use of funds for any U.S. contribution to the UN or any affiliated agency of the UN.

H.AMDT.191 (A025): Amendment sought to prohibit use of funds for use toward any U.S. contribution for UN peacekeeping operations.

H.R.1146: To end membership of the United States in the United Nations.

H.AMDT.306 (A006): Amendment sought to eliminate the authorization of funding for any United Nations program.

H.R.1146: To end membership of the United States in the United Nations.

H.AMDT.138 (A010): Amendment sought to provide for the withdrawal of the United States from the United Nations.

H.R.1146: To provide for complete withdrawal of the United States from the United Nations.

H.R.3890: A bill to limit United States contributions to the United Nations.

H.R.3891: A bill to terminate all participation by the United States in the United Nations, and to remove all privileges, exemptions, and immunities of the United Nations.

H.R.6358: A bill to limit United States contributions to the United Nations.

H.R.14788: A bill to limit U.S. contributions to the United Nations.

These are ALL GOOD THINGS.

-- Not having any success there, he has worked to block U.S. membership in the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization:

H.CON.RES.132: Expressing the sense of the Congress that the United States should formally withdraw its membership from the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization (UNESCO).

H.CON.RES.4: Expressing the sense of the Congress that the United States should not rejoin the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization.

H.CON.RES.443: Expressing the sense of the Congress that the United States should formally withdraw its membership from the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization (UNESCO).

H.CON.RES.489: Expressing the sense of the Congress that the United States should not rejoin the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization (UNESCO).

The US NEEDS to get out of the UN. The U.N. is One-World Government.

-- Would he pull the U.S. out of the ABM Treaty?

H.J.RES.566: A joint resolution withdrawing the United States of America from the Treaty on the Limitation of Anti-Ballistic Missile Systems, and the Interim Agreement Protocol, and Agreed Interpretations of the Treaty, signed of May 26, 1972.

Haven't studied this one, either, but it goes WAAAAAY back to the 70's. Kind of a reach, wouldn't you say?

-- Oh, but he would "protect" U.S. soldiers from wearing any insignia of another country or the U.N.

H.R.4797: To protect America's citizen soldiers.

Another GOOD thing.

-- Would he try to re-establish U.S. "sovereignty" over the Panama Canal? As I recall, the Canal Treaty was a major concern of the far Right back in the 1970's and 1980's:

H.CON.RES.231: Expressing the sense of the Congress that the Panama Canal and the Panama Canal Zone should be considered to be the sovereign territory of the United States.

H.RES.1410: A resolution in support of continued undiluted U.S. sovereignty and jurisdiction over the U.S.-owned Canal Zone on the Isthmus of Panama.

H.R.2522: A bill to prohibit the use of any United States funds to implement the Panama Canal Treaty of 1977 unless the use of those funds for that purpose is hereafter expressly provided for by the Congress and to prohibit the transfer to the Republic of Panama any territory or other property of the United States in the Canal Zone unless the Congress hereafter enacts legislation which expressly authorizes such transfer.

The Canal Treaty was a mistake. Now China basically OWNS it. We should have listened to him THEN.

A GUN FREE-FOR-ALL

-- He would allow more guns in schools and National Parks, repeal requirements for background checks and gun-locks, use Federal authority to nullify state laws regarding concealed weapons, and eliminate many other regulations including prohibitions on gun possession by minors, recent felons, fugitives, addicts, and domestic abusers, and prohibitions relating to semiautomatic weapons:

H.R.2424: To repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 and amendments to that Act.

H.R.1897: To protect the second amendment rights of individuals to carry firearms in units of the National Park System, and for other purposes.

H. R. 1096: To restore the second amendment rights of all Americans.

H.R.1703: To restore the second amendment rights of all Americans.

H.R.3125: To protect the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.

H.R.153: To restore the second amendment rights of all Americans.

H.R.1762: To restore the second amendment rights of all Americans.

H.R.1179: To restore the second amendment rights of all Americans.

H.R.407: To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide for reciprocity in regard to the manner in which nonresidents of a State may carry certain concealed firearms in that State.

H.R.2721: To restore the Second Amendment rights of all Americans.

H.R.2722: To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide for reciprocity in regard to the manner in which nonresidents of a State may carry certain concealed firearms in the State.

H.R.1147: To repeal the prohibitions relating to semiautomatic firearms and large capacity ammunition feeding devices.

H.R.3892: A bill to repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968.

H.R.3892: A bill to repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968.

H.R.2311 A bill to repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968.

H.R.14768: A bill to repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968.

Again, all GOOD THINGS.

EDUCATION POLICY

-- Speaking of schools, he would weaken educational standards by using Federal power to interfere with states improving their standards for teacher certification:

H.R.966: To prohibit the Federal Government from planning, developing, implementing, or administering any national teacher test or method of certification and from withholding funds from States or local educational agencies that fail to adopt a specific method of teacher certification.

H.R.1706: To prohibit the Federal Government from planning, developing, implementing, or administering any national teacher test or method of certification and from withholding funds from States or local educational agencies that fail to adopt a specific method of teacher certification.

H.R.4653: A bill to prohibit the payment of Federal Education assistance in States which require the licensing or certification of private schools or private school teachers.

Once again the Orwellian double-speak. The 'opinion' (and I use that word loosely) at the top does not ACCURATELY reflect the content of the bills listed below it. The Federal government HAS NO BUSINESS in education, it's another State issue.

TAX POLICY

-- He wants to dramatically reduce the tax obligations of people who make inordinately high incomes and who inherit large fortunes they did not earn. Specifically, this includes attempts to repeal the estate tax, and to apply one tax rate to all income levels.

H.J.RES.23: Proposing an amendment the Constitution of the United States relative to abolishing personal income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the United States Government from engaging in business in competition with its citizens.

H.J.RES.14: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relative to abolishing personal income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the United States Government from engaging in business in competition with its citizens.

H.J.RES.15: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relative to abolishing personal income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the United States Government from engaging in business in competition with its citizens.

H.J.RES.45: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relative to abolishing personal income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the United States Government from engaging in the business in competition with its citizens.

H.J.RES.81: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relative to abolishing personal income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the United States Government from engaging in business in competition with its citizens.

H.J.RES.116: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relative to abolishing personal income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the United States Government from engaging in business in competition with its citizens.

H.R.5484: A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 to provide for the taxation of certain income at the flat rate of 10 percent and to repeal the estate tax.

H.R.2137: A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 to provide that a 10-percent income tax rate shall apply to all individuals, and to repeal all deductions, credits, and exclusions for individuals other than an exemption of $10,000.

H.R.1664: A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 to provide that a 10-percent income tax rate shall apply to all individuals and to increase the deduction for personal exemptions from $1,000 to $2,500.

H.J.RES.23: A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relative to abolishing personal income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the United States Government from engaging in business in competition with its citizens.

H.R.6352: A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 to provide that a 10 percent income tax rate shall apply to all individuals, and to repeal all deductions, credits, and exclusions for individuals other than an exemption of $10,000.

H.R.4569: A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 to repeal the estate and gift taxes and the tax on generation-skipping transfers.

H.R.15619: A bill to repeal the estate tax.

-- And short of that he wants us to pay our income taxes every month, and not use withholding.

H.R.1364: To restore to taxpayers awareness of the true cost of government by eliminating the withholding of income taxes by employers and requiring individuals to pay income taxes in monthly installments, and for other purposes.

H.R.4855: To restore to taxpayers awareness of the true cost of government by eliminating the withholding of income taxes by employers and requiring individuals to pay income taxes in monthly installments, and for other purposes.

Once again we find ALL GOOD THINGS in this section. How is any of this BAD???

Finally, the even weirder parts of Ron Paul's record:

GOLD! GOLD! GOLD!

-- What is his obsession with gold, and does this make for sound economic policy?

H.R.3101: To amend title 5, United States Code, to provide for the establishment of a precious metals investment option in the Thrift Savings Fund.

H.R.3732: To amend title 31, United States Code, to limit the use by the President and the Secretary of the Treasury of the Exchange Stabilization Fund to buy or sell gold without congressional approval, and for other purposes.

H.R.4226: A bill to provide for the minting of gold coins and silver coins by the United States.

H.R.1662: A bill to provide for the minting of American Gold Eagle coins pursuant to Article 1, section 8 of the Constitution of the United States.

H.R.1663: A bill to provide for the minting of American Gold Eagle coins pursuant to Article 1, section 8 of the Constitution of the United States.

H.R.878: A bill to execute Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution.

H.R.391: A bill to repeal the privilege of banks to create money.

H.R.3862: A bill to provide for a full assay, inventory, and audit of the gold reserves of the United States, and for other purposes.

H.R.3349: A bill to direct the Secretary of the Treasury to strike and sell gold medallions to the general public.

H.R.2658: A bill to amend the Federal Reserve Act to terminate the authority of the Secretary of the Treasury to require the delivery of gold to the Treasurer of the United States, which shall be known as The Gold Ownership Act of 1979.

H.R.5605: A bill to amend the Trading with the Enemy Act.

H.R.5658: A bill to make Federal Reserve Notes and United States Notes redeemable in gold.

H.R.6217: A bill to prohibit the sale of gold bullion by any agency of the United States unless specifically authorized by law.

H.R.6297: A bill to direct the Secretary of the Treasury to strike and sell gold medallions to the general public.

H.R.7874: A bill to repeal the privilege of banks to create money.

H.R.6054: A bill to provide for the minting of the American Eagle gold coin pursuant to article I, section 8 of the Constitution of the United States.

-- He might even try to get rid of the Federal Reserve, which has long been a bogeyman of the far right:

H.R.2778: To abolish the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks, to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes.

H.R.5356: To abolish the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks, to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes.

H.R.1148: To abolish the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks, to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes.

H.R.875: A bill to repeal the Federal Reserve Act.

H.R.876: A bill to repeal section 105(b) of the Monetary Control Act of 1980.

H.R.4652: A bill to provide that no officer or employee of the United States shall change the design of Federal reserve notes unless such change is specifically authorized by Federal law.

The man believes in REAL money, non-inflationary money, just like the Founders of the nation. AGAIN, a GOOD THING.

-- Does he want to abandon the dollar and set up 50 separate state currencies? Does that even make sense?

H.R.2779: To repeal section 5103 of title 31, United States Code.

H.R.3931: A bill to amend the Coinage Act of 1965 to provide that coins and currencies of the United States, including Federal Reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal Reserve banks and national banking associations, shall be legal tender only for the payment of Federal taxes, duties and dues.

Force the Feds to be the ONLY folks accepting fiat money??? CLASSIC!!!

OMNIBUS REACTIONARY

-- He has favored all manner of other right-wing policies, in the following case with a single bill, which includes provisions for such things as supporting corporal punishment, requiring that young people seeking reproductive care have their parents notified, allowing churches and religious organizations that run "public" services to discriminate against potential clients, and moving us back to school segregation.

H.R.7955: A bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.

Where the hell did this come from??? This entire hit piece is a bunch of drivel, it doesn't say what it LOOKS to say, and it's written by a MASTER of Orwellian speech. I'm not surprised that Greg wouldn't provide the TRUE source of the article, although it is an OBVIOUS cut & paste job.

Total BULLSHIT!!!!!

Originally Posted by kniggit

Originally Posted by GREGAGREATAMERICAN

Funny how some People just never see the truth about a canidate till you show them .
Na this aint funny
Im sure some people still wont see...

Ron Paul Freedom of choice isnt just about abortion...

Just what exactly was it that I was supposed to see Greg? I think you are the one that isn't seeing the point......

"The government cannot protect people from themselves otherwise it becomes tyranny"

Now seriously think about that statement and maybe you might get the point.

I guess You would Like for me to Buy into this as well,
Right ?
Not Going to happen



A PERSONAL DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE

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When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for a person to advance from that subordination to which he or she has been subjected and to assume the equal and independent station to which the laws of nature entitle that person, a decent respect to the opinions of humankind requires that he or she should declare the causes which impel that person to the change.

I hold these truths to be self-evident: that all people are created with equal, independent and unalienable rights; among which are the preservation of their own life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these ends, associations are formed among humans, deriving their just powers from the consent of their members; that whenever any association becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of each member to secede from it, to withdraw financial and other support, and to create or join different associations which lay their foundation on such principles, and organize their powers in such form, as to their members shall seem most likely to effect their safety, enterprise and happiness.

Prudence indeed will dictate that government and other associations long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and people may be more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing or abandoning the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations reveals a design to subject people to the absolute power of a tyranny, it is their right to throw off such government or other association, and to provide new guards for their future security. Such has been the patient suffering of the undersigned; and such is now the necessity which constrains me to reject the current form of government to which I am subjected. The history of this government is a history of unremitting injuries and usurpations, among which no one fact stands single or solitary to contradict the uniform tenor of the rest; all of which have in direct purpose, the establishment of an absolute tyranny over me and my fellow citizens. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world, for the truth of which I pledge a faith, as yet unsullied by falsehood:


1. The government of the United States of America and its State subsidiaries rely upon the legalized theft called taxation to coerce citizens into contributing to activities they do not support. This has led to a lack of market discipline and the largest public debt in the history of humankind, because those who pay for this government cannot legally say, "NO!" While this coercion has allowed short-term benefits to be created for some, this has come only at the most severe and tragic cost. This government cannot continue to expand public debt and increase taxes without widespread, catastrophic consequences. I object to the fact that my personal welfare and assumed consent are excuses this government relies upon to continue this irresponsible and destructive behavior.


2. I am forced, by this government's political laws and the police and courts that do its bidding, to contribute to a bankrupt Social Security system that is a tragic fraud. Unlike the savings and investment account I have been told it represents, it more accurately resembles a checking account, from which some people may be given benefits at my expense. None of the current extortion I am forced to pay for this system is being saved, invested, or otherwise allocated to my retirement. Instead, this government uses my involuntary contributions to pay others currently drawing benefits, while promising to continue this theft on the children and grandchildren of this generation to pay for the empty promises made for my retirement. I can no longer tolerate this injustice.


3. The collapse of organized communism in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union has failed to significantly reduce the size and influence of the military-industrial-political complex. The so-called Department of "Defense" currently spends almost $300 billion per year to protect its bureaucracy, some U.S. companies and the corrupt governments of foreign nations. The annihilation of 100,000 Iraqis, popularized by a propaganda campaign and level of censorship unparalleled in this country, has elevated mass murder to a new level of social acceptability. I refuse to accept the fact that my involuntary contributions to this government are used to perpetuate such an instrument of terror in the false name of "national defense."


4. The creation and expansion of a welfare state in the U.S. has brought about precisely the opposite result from that intended. Rather than help people out of poverty, it has encouraged them to remain. Rather than provide emergency funds for low-income people, most government spending in this area is received by those well above the official poverty level. Rather than job skills and opportunities, it has produced dependency and helplessness. Rather than pride of accomplishment, it has spawned civil unrest and despair. The continuation of this corrupt and fraudulent system is an affront to human dignity and a complete denial of human compassion.


5. This government has created political laws which prevent honest people from solving their problems in non-aggressive, voluntary ways. Examples include the establishment of government-protected monopolies for public services and oppressive restrictions on private enterprise and non-aggressive personal behavior. Occupational licensing and minimum wage laws, contrary to their stated purposes, protect established industries and unions from market competition, rather than consumers and most workers. No such government regulation can produce a more beneficial or fair result than the free, unregulated marketplace of human ideas and uncoerced activities.


6. The police of this government protect neither people nor their property. Instead, the primary mission of this government's police is to enforce coercive political laws which have been created at the request of powerful special interest groups. In so doing, this government's police inadvertently protect criminals, while punishing non-aggressive people. State and federal crime statistics reveal that violent and property criminals in the U.S. have less than a one-in-twenty chance of being successfully and fully prosecuted. Despite this, the United States has a larger percentage of its population in prison than China, the former Soviet Union, or South Africa. These two facts suggest that this government's police, courts and prisons exist primarily to punish those who disagree with this government; not to protect people or their property from violence or other aggression. Indeed, the most dangerous and destructive influence in the life of most U.S. citizens is the violence and aggression of this government.


7. The so-called "war on drugs" is a cure that is worse than the disease. It has changed a relatively minor health problem into a popular means for suspending the Bill of Rights (the only part of the U.S. Constitution based on individual rights); and has created violent crime where there was none before. This disastrous government activity has resulted in the expansion of the American police state and the reduction of personal freedom, responsibility and legal rights of all people who reside in the United States.


8. Despite spending more money per student than either private schools or most other countries, the U.S. system of public schools is an unmitigated disaster. As taxes and debt are increased for this coercive government "education," expectations are lowered and the current educational establishment becomes more entrenched. There cannot be quality education until teachers are required to achieve results, rather than tenure; and when teachers, students and parents play an active role in education without interference or "help" from politicians. The purpose of education is not to provide jobs for teachers and administrators, but to teach. No one should be forced to support this primitive, counterproductive system of mass obedience and indoctrination.


9. The U.S. Constitution, as the basis for statutory law in the United States, was never, and can never be, a document by which free and independent people govern themselves. There are three reasons for this:


This document is fundamentally a statement of government - not people - sovereignty.


This document was never executed as a proper contract between any humans, living or dead.


This document has been repeatedly modified to expand government power and to reduce the legal rights of individuals without their consent.


10. The U.S. Government has repeatedly created the conditions for economic, social and military crises, while using each such crisis as an excuse to expand its own power. Specific examples of this include the administration of President Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War, the creation of the Federal Reserve and the income tax in 1913, and the policies of President Franklin Roosevelt in the 1930's. It was the artificial expansion of the money supply by the Federal Reserve in the "roaring" 1920's that led directly to the stock market collapse in 1929. President Roosevelt's socialist agenda in the 1930's (the "New Deal") caused the Great Depression to last ten years instead of one. More recent wars, recessions, social unrest and "emergency" presidential power legislation are an extension of this consistent government expansion at the expense of the free markets which humans choose to satisfy their legitimate desires.


11. By forcing over 40 percent of the land in the United States into public ownership, this government has subsidized and encouraged the mismanagement and degradation of natural resources. Public ownership of property, as the fundamental idea behind all forms of socialism, has restricted or eliminated the natural market mechanisms which encourage humans to take care of things they own. By reducing the liability of some property owners for their adverse effects on others, this government has created the false impression that markets, and not this government, are responsible for most environmental problems today. This persistent lie must not remain unchallenged.


12. The U.S. Congress has consistently subsidized special interest groups at taxpayers' expense, while restricting the personal freedom of all Americans. This coercive, unrepresentative body of men and women holds the sole responsibility for the suffocating public debt, oppressive taxation and ongoing budget deficits that are destroying the American economy. The fact that a small percentage of the U.S. population voted for the current members of Congress cannot begin to justify the irresponsible actions of this untrustworthy band of plunderers. I hereby declare that no congressman, senator, governor or president represents my interest in any conceivable way.


13. This government has promoted itself as a true, legitimate and representative agent of all Americans, which is an inherent contradiction and unattainable goal. Special interest politics and the fraudulent charades called elections have allowed this government to pretend it has a moral right to control the lives of those who have not consented to be governed by it. Reform of this coercive system of government is hopeless, as naive voters continue to be misled by promises of more benefits without apparent cost.


I therefore reject and renounce all allegiance and subjection to any person, association, majority, or government that I have not voluntarily and explicitly chosen as my personal representative. I assert and declare myself to be a free, sovereign and independent person, and as such I have the right to regulate my own affairs, decide which products, services, charities and causes to support; and to do all other things which independent persons may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, I pledge my life, my property, and my sacred honor.


A Friend of Thomas Paine

Greg,

Can you post a link to THIS article?? I'd like to sign it.

Thank you.

I guess You would Like for me to Buy into this as well,
Right ?
Not Going to happen

Wow Greg, if you can't buy into that maybe you would be better off in a socialist country where you can have someone tell you what to believe, what to support etc.......

Libertarian Party Supporting Ron Paul Anyway

Despite the fact that Ron Paul has indicated yet again that he has no intention of seeking any third party's nomination, the Libertarian Party have stepped up to the plate to support his candidacy in a controversial move.
by Walt Thiessen
(Libertarian)
http://www.nolanchart.com/article456.html

While a lot is being made of Ron Paul not accepting the Libertarian Party's invitation to run as a Libertarian, we should be more precise and say that his campaign has simply reiterated that he intends to seek no third party nomination. Today, the Libertarian National Committee which governs the LP issued an email to party members urging them to help support Paul's campaign anyway using a Libertarian Party calling tool called the Ballot Base.

This is a controversial move within the party and will likely gain some naysays from some party members. However, it also comes as a welcome surprise to party members like myself who applaud the move. The difficulty is that the party's bylaws specifically prohibit the party from endorsing another party's candidate, even when that candidate happens to be a former Libertarian nominee. But the LNC empowered Executive Director Shane Cory to purchase the New Hampshire voting list and make the Ballot Base system available to party members who would like to make calls to NH Republicans on behalf of Ron Paul.

I am among those who have been critical of Shane Cory in the past, even before I launched this website. However, in this case I have to say he and the LNC are doing the right thing! As he said in his email to party members today, "What we can do is show respect for our Party's history, bylaws and members while making an effort to recognize the revolution that's taking place around the country.... We can no longer stand by and do nothing when such an incredible opportunity exists for the Libertarian Party."

Some commentators (including some columnists on this website) have gleefully jumped on Paul's refusal at this time to run under LP banner, and I can certainly understand and even support their motivations to a large extent. But with the LP itself making such a gracious move to make its own resources available to support the Paul campaign, I believe that a similar nod of approval is also due toward the party.

Libertarian Party members will be able to use the party's telephone campaign resource www.BallotBase.org about which Cory said, "[it] is essentially a decentralized call center. From the comfort of your own home, you can use the system to call voters on behalf of a candidate. It's easy to use and can be incredibly effective."

This is the kind of activity I prefer to see from a freedom-oriented group of people, rather than the more divisive, "my organization or party is better than your organization or party" that some Paul supporters prefer to engage in. Once the Paul campaign runs its course, it will be incumbent upon all of his supporters to find a way to work together rather than to work separately and against each other. This will be a tremendous challenge to achieve. The Libertarian Party, by making their Ballot Base server available for the benefit of the Paul campaign, have effectively served notice that they prefer to stand together rather than to stand separately, even at the risk of their own rank-and-file's displeasure. For that, they deserve the thanks of all Paul supporters.

Greg Thanks for the information on the churches and I totally agree. The Church should never, ever be involved in politics. It can have serious side effects on politics - but it can harm the church forever.

Now I don't understand a lot of other things. Are you for or against the person declaration of independence?

Also the quote of 'freedom of choice isn't just about abortion'.


What I think is being said here - so many people want 'freedom of choice' to destroy a baby, but little or now freedoms in other parts of our lives.

I don't have a problem with that statement. I have heard him speak against abortion on a personal level, but he thinks the states have the right to make the law - I couldn't agree more.

There was a time in this country when states made the rules for education, welfare, and most everyday things. I even remember a time when it was still true.

Just think right now if you could stop illegals from getting welfare, free education, enact laws to get them off the road, and other things that would help solve this problem - and you only had to convince or force your own state legislature to do this - how much easier would it be to get things done. Now even if state legislatures do enact laws - they have some federal judge, federally funded group like LaRaza, fighting against you, and either tying them up in court or actually stopping the implementation of the law.

Putting government back in the hands of the people - through state's rights - is a very good thing.

Originally Posted by kniggit

I guess You would Like for me to Buy into this as well,
Right ?
Not Going to happen

Wow Greg, if you can't buy into that maybe you would be better off in a socialist country where you can have someone tell you what to believe, what to support etc.......

You may be right but I don’t think so....
No I don’t buy into that garbage any more then I buy into the any of the other Garbage that Ron Paul or his supporters would have any Americans believe is the better way we be if he were president. Many things in America are the way for a reason and they will stay that way for good reasons. Federal Laws included…
I was Born in America under a American Government I was raised American under a American Government I work and Play under that same American Goverment.
I am American with All American Parents Grandparents Great Great Grandparents that where American under that same Government. I have American children an American Wife. We will stay in America for many many generations to come Under that same Government I may not always agree with what the rules are but I still have to play by them and so does any one else in American till the rules change.
No body will come along and take that away No mater what campaigns they run and what ever religions the try and use to sway people to vote into the campaigns. I don’t have to convince people what I believe is right. I know it is I would venture to believe most of Paul’s supporters know the difference between right and wrong as well. To me that’s all that counts. It’s made me what I am today and the many generations before me what they were in that time .

Originally Posted by nntrixie

Greg Thanks for the information on the churches and I totally agree. The Church should never, ever be involved in politics. It can have serious side effects on politics - but it can harm the church forever.

Now I don't understand a lot of other things. Are you for or against the person declaration of independence?

Also the quote of 'freedom of choice isn't just about abortion'.


What I think is being said here - so many people want 'freedom of choice' to destroy a baby, but little or now freedoms in other parts of our lives.

I don't have a problem with that statement. I have heard him speak against abortion on a personal level, but he thinks the states have the right to make the law - I couldn't agree more.

There was a time in this country when states made the rules for education, welfare, and most everyday things. I even remember a time when it was still true.

Just think right now if you could stop illegals from getting welfare, free education, enact laws to get them off the road, and other things that would help solve this problem - and you only had to convince or force your own state legislature to do this - how much easier would it be to get things done. Now even if state legislatures do enact laws - they have some federal judge, federally funded group like LaRaza, fighting against you, and either tying them up in court or actually stopping the implementation of the law.

Putting government back in the hands of the people - through state's rights - is a very good thing.

Your welcome if i can help with anything else I will ...
America will take back the parts that the crimianls have taken from us and it will be soon before any new laws can be drafted... together working together state and federal. America

I was Born in America under a American Government I was raised American under a American Government I work and Play under that same American Goverment.

The point is that this isn't the same government that you grew up with.

"Ask not what your government can do for you but ask what YOU can do for your country" - Nowhere in todays US government is that the prevailing mindset, todays government wants to control almost every aspect of your life and there are way too many people that are satisfied with that.