Thread: Corruption In Latin America

Doesn't matter. It shouldn't even be on the table. Authoritarianism is like a cancer and the thrill of the kill is like a drug high. First it's premeditated murderers, now its rapists, pedophiles and drug dealers. This is how you become a Sharia Law State. What next? Gays, transgenders, adulterers, drunk drivers, political opponents, anyone else you don't like? Sure, why not?

The cost of prisons is expensive, we know that. We currently have 2.3 million people incarcerated in the US. That's state, county, city, federal, Indian Reservations, immigration detention, and military. 800,000 of those are non-violent drug charges, over 1/3. End the War on Drugs and set these people free so we can afford to keep the killers in jail until they die or if there was mistake and an erroneous conviction, they can be freed.

Originally Posted by Judy

Doesn't matter. It shouldn't even be on the table. Authoritarianism is like a cancer and the thrill of the kill is like a drug high. First it's premeditated murderers, now its rapists, pedophiles and drug dealers. This is how you become a Sharia Law State. What next? Gays, transgenders, adulterers, drunk drivers, political opponents, anyone else you don't like? Sure, why not?

The cost of prisons is expensive, we know that. We currently have 2.3 million people incarcerated in the US. That's state, county, city, federal, Indian Reservations, immigration detention, and military.

So with drugs, it's about saving money, but endless imprisonment, money is not to be considered. You seem to subscribe to the slippery-slope philosophy where executing a guilty person for murder will lead to Sharia Law.

Originally Posted by Judy

800,000 of those are non-violent drug charges, over 1/3. End the War on Drugs and set these people free so we can afford to keep the killers in jail until they die

And with the legalized drugs widely available, and rehab widely available, that can be 2,400,000 non-violent addicts out there.

Originally Posted by Judy

or if there was mistake and an erroneous conviction, they can be freed.

When there is incontrovertible evidence of a murder, I feel execution is appropriate. If there is possible doubt, then life. Unfortunately, under our current laws, if you get life, you get life unless you have finances for an appeal. If you get death, you get an automatic appeal. So many innocent will never get out.

I know all the arguments pro and con and have known them since I was kid and had to debate the issue. I'm against the death penalty, not for religious reasons, not for sympathy, it's political philosophy and how I believe our government should be restricted. I realize a lot of people support the death penalty and I don't think less of someone who does. It's just a difference of opinion.

Originally Posted by Judy

I know all the arguments pro and con and have known them since I was kid and had to debate the issue. I'm against the death penalty, not for religious reasons, not for sympathy, it's political philosophy and how I believe our government should be restricted. I realize a lot of people support the death penalty and I don't think less of someone who does. It's just a difference of opinion.

I accept your view Judy, as a personal expression of what you feel is right.

I would just like to point out something that permeates the human condition called civility. We cannot act like animals. I've watched many episodes of Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, and I never saw a Lion Sheriff arrest a lion and took him to a Lion Magistrate and held in a Lion jail until a Lion trial by a Lion Judge and Jury in a Lion Court and sentenced to Lion Years in a Lion Prison until he is Lion Paroled to be released back into Lion Society.

We don't follow animal rules and they don't follow ours. My example can be applied to rape, immigration, theft, assault and many other crimes.

Have you ever heard the story about the young rogue elephants acting out and causing all types of problems in Africa on a game reserve? You know how the Brits love African animals. Well, there was this rather large group of young rogue elephants in a wildlife preserve, a sanctuary of some sort. They were baby orphans that the wildlife authorities would find when their mothers had been killed in the wild by poachers, so they would gather them up and take them to this sanctuary for care to grow up. And when got about half to 2/3 grown they formed a gang and went around rebel-rousing, causing a lot of trouble and attacking other animals in the preserve, especially baby rhinos, killing some. It was a very serious problem.

So not knowing what to do with these bad boys, they called some experts in Britain who came down and studied the situation and decided on a plan. They left and returned some days later with full grown male elephants. And in no time at all, those full-grown male elephants had tamed this band of naughty boys into proper behavior. It wasn't just their actions, of standing firm and fighting back, it was a smell, called musk, the male musk had some taming value, it affected their whole psychology, and after awhile, the problem was solved, the young rogues were acting properly again, and the baby rhinos and other animals were safe again, because the young elephants were interacting with others properly. Animal civility had been restored to the preserve.

When you think about it, the animal kingdom is actually quite sophisticated.

I would rather execute a child molester and rapist than let these liberal Judges let them walk and molest another child or person.

I would rather execute Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahlmer, El Chapo, than let them live or like Chapo...do their cartel business behind bars and kill more people with his drugs or violence.

They have NO sympathy for their victims...I have absolutely NO sympathy for these sick vermin.

Go in these prisons FULL of MS-13 gangs, they are sick animals who should be put down like the rabid dogs they are.

I remember that rapist in Northern California in the 80's...Singleton. He kidnapped and raped that girl, cut her ARMS off and shoved her in a ditch. She was on TV the other day telling the story. They caught him and he went to prison. He served time, got out and moved to Florida. He raped and killed another woman!!! Sorry, they should have fried him the first time. They are animals.

I know Beezer, but none of that vermin even get life, they don't even get 10 years.

Originally Posted by Judy

They left and returned some days later with full grown male elephants. And in no time at all, those full-grown male elephants had tamed this band of naughty boys into proper behavior. It wasn't just their actions, of standing firm and fighting back, it was a smell, called musk, the male musk had some taming value, it affected their whole psychology, and after awhile, the problem was solved, the young rogues were acting properly again, and the baby rhinos and other animals were safe again, because the young elephants were interacting with others properly. Animal civility had been restored to the preserve.

So the lesson is having a firm influence, like putting them in jail, straightened them out!

The problems in our society, more prominently in the Black community, is the lack of a good family structure. Many kids with no father in the home get into trouble, like those elephants. That is where the solution must be. Once they are grown, it is very hard to change their behavior. But our society has moved away from the values that worked. Now many endorse free sex. It used to be a stigma to be promiscuous. And having children out of wedlock was shunned. But with this change, our children are like those young, parent-less elephants who hate everything that moves.

Is the answer to let them run wild?

Originally Posted by Judy

I know Beezer, but none of that vermin even get life, they don't even get 10 years.

Thanks to the liberal judges and their liberal supporters. Judge Rose Bird, a Jerry Brown appointee, did away with the death penalty in California, ignoring the wisdom of the juries who never wanted those convicts to walk free again. But in doing away with the death penalty, and no adjustment in the law to compensate, most on Death Row got paroled and were out to murder again.

Originally Posted by jtdc

So the lesson is having a firm influence, like putting them in jail, straightened them out!

The problems in our society, more prominently in the Black community, is the lack of a good family structure. Many kids with no father in the home get into trouble, like those elephants. That is where the solution must be. Once they are grown, it is very hard to change their behavior. But our society has moved away from the values that worked. Now many endorse free sex. It used to be a stigma to be promiscuous. And having children out of wedlock was shunned. But with this change, our children are like those young, parent-less elephants who hate everything that moves.

Is the answer to let them run wild?

"Putting them in jail" is what you males in legislatures, Congress, law enforcement, courts and the whole "law and order" movement have been doing for decades and decades and for the black community, centuries.

Some of you blame women, some blame drugs, some blame race, blacks in particular, some blame guns, some blame sex, and some blame all of the above.

In other words, you've blamed everyone and everything except .... yourselves.

There was no lesson to be learned from my story that applied to humans. It was the simple recognition of the sophistication of the animal kingdom. We use the term "animals" as if it's an insult, and I do it too, but in reality, our animal kingdom is quite marvelous with far more intelligent design and intelligence than we have often understood. It was a nature program station that aired this documentary, Animal Planet, I think.

Even if you want to go off the rails and compare humans to animals, the male elephants were not their fathers, they weren't even from the same preserve, they had to be caught, drugged, cranes used to lift them on to trucks, then planes, flown into the area where the bad boys were and then unloaded and so forth. They were just unrelated male elephants who saw the problem and knew how to solve it themselves, mainly with their presence and musk scent. There was no confinement, no punishment, no harm done to the young elephants.

It was male humans engaged in poaching who killed the mothers of the young elephants for their ivory tusks that left the baby elephants orphans to begin with.

Maybe that's the lesson to be learned by humans if there is one.