Thread: A Day that will live in Infamy

This has to be one of the worst days in this country's history. A foreigner was sworn to be our president. Born in Kenya, according to his Kenyan grandmother, and even if born in Hawaii, he'd be a Brit by birth, after his father who was a British subject.

So we now have a MOB rule in this country, rather than Rule of Law, because while Obama was elected by the majority, he doesn't satisfy constitutional requirements so he cannot be a president according to the law.

It's amazing that so many are so eager to ignore our laws and welcome him as a president, even though his lawful qualifications are very suspect. Those people are no patriots, and can only call themselves Americans by name, but not by action. REAL Americans aren't so quick to ignore the law.

If he was born in Hawaii, to an American mother, he's American. I really think some people have put too much hope into the notion that some simple 'gotcha' will overturn the election. Having lived through several liberal presidencies myself, I would say we should get on with it, analyze why the conservatives lost, and build new coalitions and power bases that are based on Main Street, not Wall Street.

Originally Posted by BetsyRoss

If he was born in Hawaii, to an American mother, he's American. I really think some people have put too much hope into the notion that some simple 'gotcha' will overturn the election. Having lived through several liberal presidencies myself, I would say we should get on with it, analyze why the conservatives lost, and build new coalitions and power bases that are based on Main Street, not Wall Street.

Nope, the concept of dual citizenship is very recent. Back in 1960's, you'd still have to have both parents US citizens in order to be US citizen. Plus it makes no sense that if your son is born outside the country, he's not gonna have the same citizenship as his father.

I've researched it a bit further, and Obama certainly was British citizen even if born in Hawaii. His father was a Brit and as such a subject to the British Nationality Act, of 1948. It says that all born in UK, its territories and colonies are citizens by birth, and those born to a British father ABROAD are British citizens by descent.

And the citizenship by descent is a bit limited, in that it doesn't apply if the father was a citizen by descent himself. So if Barack's father was born in Kenya, Barack certainly was a British citizen by descent, if he was born in Hawaii.

"British Nationality Act, 1948
http://www.uniset.ca/naty/BNA1948.htm
Citizenship by birth.

4. Subject to the provisions of this section, every person born within the United Kingdom and Colonies after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by birth:

Provided that a person shall not be such a citizen by virtue of this section if at the time of his birthÑ
(a) his father possesses such immunity from suit and legal process as is accorded to an envoy of a foreign sovereign power accredited to His Majesty, and is not a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies; or
(b) his father is an enemy alien and the birth occurs in a place then under occupation by the enemy.

Citizenship by descent.

5.Ñ(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth:

Provided that if the father of such a person is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent only, that person shall not be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by virtue of this section unlessÑ
(a) that person is born or his father was born in a protectorate, protected state, mandated territory or trust territory or any place in a foreign country where by treaty, capitulation, grant, usage, sufferance, or other lawful means, His Majesty then has or had jurisdiction over British subjects; or
(b) that person's birth having occurred in a place in a foreign country other than a place such as is mentioned in the last foregoing paragraph, the birth is registered at a United Kingdom consulate within one year of its occurrence, or, with the permission of the Secretary of State, later; or
(c) that person's father is, at the time of the birth, in Crown service under His Majesty's government in the United Kingdom; or
(d) that person is born in any country mentioned in subsection (3) of section one of this Act in which a citizenship law has then taken effect and does not become a citizen thereof on birth.
(2) If the Secretary of State so directs, a birth shall be deemed for the purposes of this section to have been registered with his permission notwithstanding that his permission was not obtained before the registration."

Originally Posted by socal

So we now have a MOB rule in this country, rather than Rule of Law, because while Obama was elected by the majority, he doesn't satisfy constitutional requirements so he cannot be a president according to the law.

Are you sure it was the election..or was it the CFR?

Obama may have inadvertently held duel British/American citizenship for a time, but if you check the State Department web site, when US citizens acquire dual citizenship inadvertently, through no deliberate act of their own, that does not compromise their US citizenship. Only by deliberately seeking the citizenship of another country as an adult might that count against them being recognized by the US. Furthermore, any British citizenship would have expired some time after Kenya's independence, and if young Obama did not stay in Kenya and take an oath of allegiance and repudiate his US citizenship, any British citizenship rights he might have had would have expired. Obama was removed from Kenya as a very young child, so any British or Kenyan dual citizenship issue is moot.

If Obama was born in Honolulu to an American citizen mother, he's an American. That would settle it, no matter who else may also claim him.

The fact that some other country may recognize someone as a citizen of their country has NO bearing on whether or not we consider him a citizen of ours.

I will never accept Obama as my president.

A lot of people are refusing to accept Obama as president.

Originally Posted by BetsyRoss

A lot of people are refusing to accept Obama as president.

add me to the list. The only way I will accept him is if he shows he is qualified. The celebrations out of Kenya, the speeches being made there, convince me more than ever he was not born on US soil.

Originally Posted by BetsyRoss

Obama may have inadvertently held duel British/American citizenship for a time, but if you check the State Department web site, when US citizens acquire dual citizenship inadvertently, through no deliberate act of their own, that does not compromise their US citizenship. Only by deliberately seeking the citizenship of another country as an adult might that count against them being recognized by the US. Furthermore, any British citizenship would have expired some time after Kenya's independence, and if young Obama did not stay in Kenya and take an oath of allegiance and repudiate his US citizenship, any British citizenship rights he might have had would have expired. Obama was removed from Kenya as a very young child, so any British or Kenyan dual citizenship issue is moot.

If Obama was born in Honolulu to an American citizen mother, he's an American. That would settle it, no matter who else may also claim him.

The fact that some other country may recognize someone as a citizen of their country has NO bearing on whether or not we consider him a citizen of ours.

No, it doesn't settle it. First, whether he kept his British citizenship or not is irrelevant. The only relevant thing is whether he can be considered a natural-born citizen. The natural-born constitutional requirement was put there to insure that the citizen had allegiance only to US, so a dual citizenship would exclude him from being considered a natural-born citizen.

It's also quite telling that nobody in the media ever mentioned the FACT that he held British citizenship from birth. And even if he was US citizen from birth, he also likely gave up that citizenship in order to attend school in Indonesia, where only Indonesian citizens can attend.

And there seems to be a conspiracy there. Obama won't release his birth certificate, and neither will the State of Hawaii. All schools that he attended won't release his records which could show that he might have registered as non-citizen, and Obama won't even answer if he traveled out of US on US or foreign passport.

If he has nothing to hide, why doesn't he release ANY of these records? Something just doesn't add up here! The "Emperor has no clothes" quote comes to mind. I believe that's about all the empty-heads conveniently ignoring the fact that he's naked, just like today's emptyheads conveniently ignore that Obama just may have NO LAWFUL authority as president, and won't even question it.

Yep, truth could shatter their imaginary world, so they won't even get close to it by asking some hard questions. Yep, for the Libs it's all about FEELING GOOD, don't disturb them with facts, reality or the truth; they like their imaginary world much better.