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    I haven't heard a Paul message that says they have the right to cross illegally and become citizens.

    We do have to admit to ourselves that while our very own right wing Republicans have suddenly discovered we have a problem with illegals - you would have thought, over the years, their job was to bring in as many as possible, give them as much as possible and protect them against the bad old Americans. While it was their job - it is precisely what they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nntrixie
    I haven't heard a Paul message that says they have the right to cross illegally and become citizens.

    We do have to admit to ourselves that while our very own right wing Republicans have suddenly discovered we have a problem with illegals - you would have thought, over the years, their job was to bring in as many as possible, give them as much as possible and protect them against the bad old Americans. While it was their job - it is precisely what they did.
    This is the issue. You see how "Libertarian" was injected into this thread when it has nothing to do with Ron Paul? This is the same MSM agenda. Ron Paul is running under a repubilcan ticket. Ron Paul was elected to 10 TERMS as a republican congressman. If Ron Paul has Libertarian leanings, so what? All candidates have certain criteria that they lean towards. I mean, just look at Ron Paul's stances on monetary policy and you will see that a few hear do not knnow much of what they speak of. You would be surprised at the number of financial analysts and economists support Dr. Ron Paul.

    Nntrixe, don't get hoodwinked by the change in thread direction. Libertarian has nothing to do with Ron Paul other than that the MSM will not say antying else. It is just another way for those who are afraid to marginalize him. 20 years ago, he ran under that platform. 20 years. Also, all one has to do is look at his writings and see what he believes from the libertarian perspective. Contrary to what many here profess to know, our Founding Fathers were libertarians. I am not. I am a conservative republican. But NO top tier is a conservative. In fact, our top tier republicans are more like centrist democrates who love war.

    And lets be honest here. Does anybody here truly believe that the republican party and the democratic party work in the American citizens best interest and HAVE NOT BEEN HIJACKED?

    C'mon, none of us truly beleive that the MSM pimped candidates are "really" in our best interest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Once_A_Democrat
    Last time I checked this board was about illegal immigration. None of the links address Ron Paul’s stand on illegal immigration.

    Do you have any links to where Ron Paul address illegal immigration and that he will deport illegals or go after employers of illegals without the double talk and getting to the point?
    If you really want to know about what Ron Paul has written concerning Immigration & all the issues you can read them at www.ronpaullibrary.com

    He has stated repeatedly NO Amnesty,No Citizenship to Anchor Babies,No Welfare for IA's.
    "A Government big enough to give you everything you want,is strong enough to take everything you have"* Thomas Jefferson

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    brightnail Oh, I'm not going to be hoodwinked - at least not easily.

    I know Ron Paul is a REpublican - and they say he is a libertarian, when actually he is just an old time Republican - back when there really were two ideologies involved in the political process.

    He sounds exactly like my Grandfather and Grandmother did when they talked politics and my Mother. He may have toyed with the Libertarian party once because the Republican party became something besides Republican.

    But, no, actually labels, party affiliation, etc., don't mean a lot to me.

    I am listening to what is being said about all politicians. It is just as important to me why someone is against a candidate and who is against them as why they vote for and who is supporting that candidate.
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    Agree 100%. Good analysis. Libertarianism is patently illogical, all things being equal
    Yea I guess our founding fathers were idiots to believe that all men were created equally.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kniggit
    Yea I guess our founding fathers were idiots to believe that all men were created equally.....
    No, they must have been idiots for believing in trade regulation, and defending our borders......at least to a libertairian........
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    Has Paul said he favors not defending our borders and not restricting trade?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nntrixie
    Has Paul said he favors not defending our borders and not restricting trade?
    We were speaking specifically about libertarians. They believe in open borders and unrestricted trade. This was blasphemy to the founders. No, I don't think they were libertarians.
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    Some people seem more interested in labels than in positions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic
    Quote Originally Posted by nntrixie
    Has Paul said he favors not defending our borders and not restricting trade?
    We were speaking specifically about libertarians. They believe in open borders and unrestricted trade. This was blasphemy to the founders. No, I don't think they were libertarians.
    Exactly. WHY are we speaking about libertarians? This is not the topic of this conversation. Why do these threads get hijacked by offtopic softballs.

    Libertarians have some wacky ideas.. BUT apparently so do Dems and Repubs...All it takes is a quick look at our current predictament and we can see that "some very powerful special intersts" have hijacked our government... and plagued it with aweful policies.

    See, we can talk talk talk talk all day long how horrible Libertarians are.. but is this the "real" issue? No. The real issue is what 'some' around like to dissuade all of us from - our government is no longer at the will of the people. It is completely dominated by open border, war mongering, globalistic and socialistic agendas.. SO TO ME, I ain't worried about no libertarian ideal.. I AM WORRIED THOSE PARADING AROUND like they are True Dems or True Repubs, and they are not.

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