Thread: Senators Abandon Habeas Corpus Allows U.S. Military to Detai

Senate Considers Bill Authorizing More Torture

Posted on November 30, 2011
by WashingtonsBlog
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“A Middle East Dictatorship Has More Democratic Accountability for Abuse of Power, Including Torture, Than the US Under Obamaâ€

The SPLC has been helping them define hate groups and terrorists for several years.

Rand Paul warns preppers that the government considers you terrorists.

In a warning from Rand Paul on the senate floor, where he speaks out against provisions in the National Defense Authorization Act, we learned today that the government considers having guns or storing more than 7 days of food a possible terrorist activity.

In the speech Rand Paul warns Americans that [b]“Someone who has guns, someone who has ammunition that is weather proofed, someone who has 7 days of food in their houseâ€

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PAUL: War on terror doesn’t justify retreat on rights

Constitution entitles American citizens to civilian trial

By Sen. Rand Paul The Washington Times Wednesday, November 30, 2011

James Madison, father of the Constitution, warned, “The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become instruments of tyranny at home.â€

U.S. Says Americans Are MILITARY Targets in the War on Terror … And that the Prez Alone Can Decide Who Is a Target

Submitted by George Washington
12/01/2011 20:13 -0500

As everyone realizes by now, Congress' push for indefinite detention includes American citizens on American soil. As Huffington post notes:

The debate also has left many Americans scratching their heads as to whether Congress is actually attempting to authorize the indefinite detention of Americans by the military without charges. But proponents -- led by Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) and Carl Levin (D-Mich.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee -- say that is exactly what the war on terror requires. They argued that the bill simply codifies precedents set by the Supreme Court and removes uncertainty, which they said would better protect the country.

Here is John McCain justifying sending Americans to Guantanamo:

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUHh1iqe ... r_embedded

And see this. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/11/ ... itely.html

(As Emptywheel and Gleen Greenwald note, the White House has believed for many years that it possessed the power to indefinitely detain Americans. See this, http://www.emptywheel.net/2011/11/18/co ... -citizens/ this, http://www.emptywheel.net/2011/11/30/ef ... more-23340 this http://www.emptywheel.net/2011/11/19/be ... on-gossip/ and this.) https://twitter.com/#%21/ggreenwald/sta ... 6199408641

But that's not all.

The government can also kill American citizens. For more than a year and a half, the Obama administration has said it could target American citizens for assassination without any trial or due process. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/03/ ... -bush.html

But now, as shown by the debates surrounding indefinite detention, the government is saying that America itself is a battlefield. http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-secur ... fine-being

AP notes today: http://news.yahoo.com/obama-lawyers-cit ... 13473.html

U.S. citizens are legitimate military targets when they take up arms with al-Qaida, top national security lawyers in the Obama administration said Thursday.

The government lawyers, CIA counsel Stephen Preston and Pentagon counsel Jeh Johnson ... said U.S. citizens do not have immunity when they are at war with the United States.

Johnson said only the executive branch, not the courts, is equipped to make military battlefield targeting decisions about who qualifies as an enemy.

The courts in habeas cases, such as those involving whether a detainee should be released from the Guantanamo Bay detention facility in Cuba, make the determination of who can be considered an enemy combatant.

You might assume - in a vacuum - that this might be okay (even though it trashes the Constitution, the separation of military and police actions, and the division between internal and external affairs).

But it is dangerous in a climate where you can be labeled as or suspected of being a terrorist simply for questioning war, protesting anything, asking questions about pollution or about Wall Street shenanigans, supporting Ron Paul, being a libertarian, holding gold, or stocking up on more than 7 days of food. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/11/ ... orism.html And see this. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/09/ ... ssent.html

And it is problematic in a period in which FBI agents and CIA intelligence officials, constitutional law expert professor Jonathan Turley, Time Magazine, Keith Olbermann and the Washington Post have all said that U.S. government officials “were trying to create an atmosphere of fear http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/07/ ... t-was.html in which the American people would give them more powerâ€

Sen. Rand Paul on Freedom Watch with Judge Napolitano - 11/29/11

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKaTxjxn ... r_embedded

Passage of S.1867: Our enemy is within

December 1, 2011 by ppjg
Marti Oakley (c)copyright 2011 All Rights Reserved

MAJOR JACKASS ALERT!

The Senate voted to pass the anti-American Defense Authorization Act of 2011, S.1867. The vote was 61-37; 61 Senators who swore to defend and uphold the Constitution just flipped the bird at the entire country.

44 Republican Senators voted to keep the detainee provisions in the bill….these are those same Republicans who are going to save the country from Obama and the Democrats.

17 Democrats voted to keep the same provisions….These are the same Democrats who are going to save country from the Republicans and the neo-cons.

I can’t speak for anyone else other than myself here but, I am so sick of this traitorous bunch of political whores and jackasses, I can barely stand it. I cannot think of one rational, plausible reason as to why this bill included the so-called “rightâ€

Paul Craig Roberts: We have a republican party that is a Gestapo party

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEMDX2iu ... r_embedded

Dec 1, 2011

There is a bill in the Senate that is attempting to keep torture alive as an interrogation technique. The National Defense Authorization Act is being debated in Congress and if passed, American citizens could be detained without a court hearing anywhere in the world. President Obama stated he will veto the bill if it should pass. Is Senate Bill 1867 threatening the US constitution? Paul Craig Roberts, former Reagan administration official and columnist, gives us his take on the proposed bill.

hopefully we will be allowed to pass out little 3 x 6 American flags made in China at the long FEMA Camps lines to wave bye bye with

I'll say it again and again and again

Choose wisely in the next election

make sure you vote for the POTUS that will complete the FULL RETARD and put American Citizens in the FEMA Camps

Amerika has been so dumbed down it may be the best choice for 3 hots and a cot ... until that runs out as well

then I would suggest hiding any gold or silver fillings the best you can

Senate Passes Indefinite Detention Bill With ‘Meaningless’ Changes

December 2, 2011 by Sam Rolley


The Senate passed the indefinite detention bill which could lead to military arrests for American citizens.

On Thursday evening, the Senate passed a $662 billion Defense bill, which included controversial provisions for the detention of American citizens on U.S. soil.

The bill passed 93-7, after an agreement was reached to add compromise language on the detention of U.S. citizens and terror suspects on U.S. soil. The compromise, proposed by Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), states that “nothing in the bill changes current law relating to the detention of U.S. citizens and legal aliens,â€