Thread: Sixty- five Years Ago

Sixty-five years ago Norman Thomas knew what was going to happen to our
country in 2008 !!!! Norman Mattoon Thomas (November 20, 1884 December
19, 196 was a leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time
presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.

The Socialist Party candidate for President of the US, Norman Thomas,
said this in a 1944 speech: "The American people will never knowingly
adopt socialism. But, under the name of "liberalism," they will adopt
every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a
socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." He went on to say:
"I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist
Party. The Democrat Party has adopted our platform."

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It ain't over yet.


The American people must not yield to this evil that seeks to detroy us and our country. We can use quotes along with other things to help us stay strong.


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Originally Posted by 93camaro

Sixty-five years ago Norman Thomas knew what was going to happen to our country in 2008 ..!!

Norman Mattoon Thomas (November 20, 1884 December 19, 196 was a leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.

The Socialist Party candidate for President of the US, Norman Thomas,
said this in a 1944 speech: "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of "liberalism," they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

He went on to say:

"I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democrat Party has adopted our platform."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Thomas

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Norman Thomas
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Norman Mattoon Thomas (1884—196 was a leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.

Contents [show]
1 Biography
1.1 Early years
1.2 Electoral politics
1.3 Socialist Party politics
1.4 Causes
1.5 Later years
2 Works of Norman Thomas
3 Notes
4 Additional reading
5 External links



[edit] Biography

[edit] Early years
Norman Thomas was born November 20, 1884 in Marion, Ohio, the oldest of six children of a Presbyterian minister. Thomas had an uneventful midwestern childhood, helping to put himself through Marion High School as a paper carrier for Warren G. Harding's Marion Daily Star. Like other paper carriers, he reported directly to Florence Kling Harding. "No pennies ever escaped her," said Thomas. The summer after he graduated from high school his father accepted a pastorate at Lewisburg, Pennsylvania, which allowed Norman to attend Bucknell University. He left Bucknell after one year to attend Princeton University, the beneficiary of the largesse of a wealthy uncle by marriage.[1] Thomas graduated magna cum laude from Princeton University in 1905.[2]

After some settlement work and a trip around the world, Thomas decided to follow in his father's footsteps and enrolled in Union Theological Seminary. He graduated from the seminary and was ordained as a Presbyterian minister in 1911.[3] After assisting the Rev. Henry Van Dyke at the fashionable Brick Presbyterian Church on Manhattan's Fifth Avenue, Thomas was appointed as pastor for the East Harlem Presbyterian Church, ministering to Italian-American Protestants.[4] Union Theological Seminary had been, at that time, a center of the Social Gospel movement and liberal politics, and as a minister, Thomas preached against American participation in the First World War. This pacifist stance led to his being shunned by many of his fellow alumni from Princeton, and opposed by some of the leadership of the Presbyterian Church in New York. When church funding of the American Parish's social programs was stopped, Thomas resigned his pastorate..[5] Despite this resignation of his position, Thomas did not formally leave the ministry until 1931, after his mother's death.[6]

It was Thomas' position as a conscientious objector which drew him to the Socialist Party of America (SPA), a staunchly antimilitarist organization. When SPA leader Morris Hillquit made his campaign for Mayor of New York in 1917 on an anti-war platform, Thomas wrote to him expressing his good wishes. To his surprise, HIllquit wrote back, encouraging the young minister to work for his campaign, which Thomas energetically did.[7] Soon thereafter he himself joined the Socialist Party.[8] Despite his membership in the Marxist SPA, Thomas was never himself an orthodox Marxist, instead favoring a Christian socialist orientation.[9]

Thomas was the secretary of the pacifist Fellowship of Reconciliation even before the war, then an unpaid position. When the organization started a magazine called The World Tomorrow in January 1918, Thomas was employed as its paid editor. Together with his co-thinker Devere Allen, Thomas helped to make The World Tomorrow the leading voice of liberal Christian social activism of its day.[10] In 1921, Thomas moved to secular journalism, when he was employed as associate editor of The Nation magazine.

In 1922 Thomas became co-director of the League for Industrial Democracy. Later, he was one of the founders of the National Civil Liberties Bureau (the precursor of the American Civil Liberties Union).


[edit] Electoral politics
Thomas ran for office four times in quick succession on the Socialist ticket — for Governor of New York in 1924, for Mayor of New York in 1925, for New York State Senate in 1926, and for New York City Alderman in 1927.[11] None of these campaigns were particularly successful. Nevertheless, following Eugene Debs' death in 1926, there was a leadership vacuum in the Socialist Party. Neither of the party's two top political leaders — Victor L. Berger and Hillquit — were eligible to run for President of the United States by virtue of their foreign birth. The third main figure, Daniel Hoan was occupied as Mayor of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.[12] Down to approximately 8,000 dues paying members, the Socialist Party's options were limited, and the little known minister from New York with oratorial skills and a pedigree in the movement became the choice of the 1928 National Convention of the Socialist Party as its standard bearer.

The 1928 campaign marked the first of campaigns of Thomas as the Presidential nominee of the Socilaist Party. As an articulate and engaging spokesman for democratic socialism, Thomas' influence was considerably greater than that of the typical perennial candidate. Although socialism was viewed as an unsavory form of political thought by most middle-class Americans, the well-educated Thomas -- who often wore three-piece suits -- looked like and talked like a president and gained grudging admiration.

Thomas frequently spoke on the difference between socialism and Communism, explaining the differences between the movement he represented and that of revolutionary Marxism. His early admiration for the Russian Revolution subsequently turned into devout anti-Communism. (The revolutionaries thought him no better; Leon Trotsky, on more than one occasion, levelled high-profile criticism at Thomas.) He wrote several books, among them his passionate defense of World War I conscientious objectors, Is Conscience a Crime?, and his statement of the 1960s social democratic consensus, Socialism Re-examined.


[edit] Socialist Party politics
Thomas failed to isolate himself from the rough and tumble internal factional politics of the Socialist Party, as his predecessor Debs had been able to do. At the 1932 Milwaukee Convention, Thomas and his radical pacifist allies in the party joined forces with constructive socialists from Wisconsin and a faction of young Marxist intellectuals called the "Militants" in backing a challenger to National Chairman Morris Hillquit. While Hillquit and his cohort retained control of the organization at this time, this action earned the lasting enmity of Hillquit's New York-based allies of the so-called "Old Guard". The diplomatic party peacemaker Hillquit died of tuberculosis the following year, lessening the stability of his faction.

At the 1934 Convention, Thomas' connection with the Militants was deepened when he backed a radical Declaration of Principles authored by his long-time associate from the radical pacifist journal The World Tomorrow, Devere Allen. The Militants swept to majority control of the party's governing National Executive Committee at this gathering, and the Old Guard retreated to their New York fortress and formalized their factional organization as the Committee for the Preservation of the Socialist Party, complete with a shadow Provisional Executive Committee and an office in New York City.

Although Thomas himself favored work to establish a broad Farmer-Labor Party upon the model of the Canadian Cooperative Commonwealth Federation,[13] he nonetheless remained supportive of the Militants and their vision of an "all-inclusive party," which welcomed members of dissident communist organizations (including Lovestoneites and Trotskyists) and worked together with the Communist Party USA in joint Popular Front activities. The party descended into a maelstrom of factionalism in the interval, with the New York Old Guard leaving to establish themselves as the Social Democratic Federation of America, taking with them control of party property, such as the Yiddish-language Jewish Daily Forward, the English-language New York Leader, the Rand School of Social Science, and the party's summer camp in Pennsylvania. The party was left in dire financial circumstances. As the social democratic Marxists of the Old Guard were expelled and left the SP in 1936, revolutionary Marxists from the Workers Party of the United States were admitted en masse. Disagreements among the Militant faction led it to shatter into three rival groups, a Right Wing headed by Jack Altman, a Center group called "Clarity" headed by Herbert Zam and Gus Tyler, and a Trotskyist revolutionary Left Wing faction called the "Appeal" group after the name of their factional newspaper.

In 1937 Thomas returned from Europe determined to restore order in the Socialist Party. He and his followers in the party teamed up with the Clarity majority of the National Executive Committee and gave the green light to the New York Right Wing to expel the Appeal faction from the organization. These expulsions led to the departure of virtually the whole of the party's youth section. Demoralization set in and the Socialist Party withered, its membership level below the lowest nadir of 1928.


[edit] Causes
Thomas was initially as outspoken in opposing the Second World War as he was with regard to the First World War. Upon returning from a European tour in 1937, he formed the Keep America Out of War Congress and spoke against war, thereby sharing a platform with the right wing isolationist America First Committee.[14] However, after the United States was attacked by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor, his stance changed to support for US involvement [1], and later wrote self-critically for having "overemphasized both the sense in which it was a continuance of World War I and the capacity of nonfascist Europe to resist the Nazis.".[15]


Norman Thomas, 1962Thomas was one of the few public figures to oppose the internment of Japanese Americans following the attack on Pearl Harbor. Thomas accused the ACLU of "dereliction of duty" when the organization supported the internment. Thomas also campaigned against racial segregation, environmental depletion, anti-labor laws and practices, and in favor of opening the United States to Jewish victims of Nazi persecution in the 1930s.

Thomas was an early proponent of birth control. The eugenicist Margaret Sanger recruited him to write "Some Objections to Birth Control Considered" in Religious and Ethical Aspects of Birth Control, edited and published by Sanger in 1926. Thomas accused the Roman Catholic Church of hypocritical opinions on sex, such as requiring priests to be celibate and maintaining that lay people should only have sex to reproduce. "This doctrine of unrestricted procreation is strangely inconsistent on the lips of men who practice celibacy and preach continence."[16]

Thomas also deplored the secular objection to birth control because it originated from "racial and national" group-think. "The white race, we are told, our own nation — whatever that nation may be — is endangered by practicing birth control. Birth control is something like disarmament — a good thing if effected by international agreement, but otherwise dangerous to us in both a military and economic sense. If we are not to be overwhelmed by the 'rising tide of color' we must breed against the world. If our nation is to survive, it must have more cannon and more babies as prospective food for the cannon."[17]


[edit] Later years
After 1945 Thomas sought to make the non-Communist left the vanguard of social reform, in collaboration with labor leaders like Walter Reuther. He championed many seemingly unrelated progressive causes, while leaving unstated the essence of his political and economic philosophy. From 1931 until his death, to be a "socialist" in the United States meant to support those causes which Norman Thomas championed (as per [Hyfler 137]).

In 1961, Thomas released an album The Minority Party in America: Featuring an Interview with Norman Thomas, on Folkways Records, which focused on the role of the third party.[18]

Thomas' 80th birthday was marked by a well-publicized gala at the Hotel Astor in Manhattan. At the event Thomas called for a cease-fire in Vietnam and read birthday telegrams from Hubert Humphrey, Earl Warren, and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. He also received a check for $17,500 in donations from supporters. "It won't last long," he said of the check, "because every organization I'm connected with is going bankrupt."[19]

The Norman Thomas High School in Manhattan and the Norman Thomas '05 Library at Princeton University's Forbes college are named after him. He was also the grandfather of Newsweek columnist Evan Thomas.[20]

A plaque in the Norman Thomas '05 Library reads: Norman M. Thomas, class of 1905. "I am not the champion of lost causes, but the champion of causes not yet won."

Thomas died on December 19, 1968.


[edit] Works of Norman Thomas
The Conquest of War. New York: Fellowship Press, 1917.
War's Heretics : A Plea for the Conscientious Objector. Chicago : American Liberty Defense League, 1917.
The Conscientious Objector in America. New York: B.W. Huebsch, 1923.
The League of Nations and the Imperialist Principle: A Criticism. New York: Foreign Policy Association, 1923.
What Is Industrial Democracy? New York: League for Industrial Democracy, 1925.
The Challenge of War: An Economic Interpretation. New York: League for Industrial Democracy, 1927.
Is Conscience a Crime? New York: Vanguard Press, 1927.
Why I Am a Socialist. New York: League for Industrial Democracy, 1928.
In the League and Out. New York: Foreign Policy Association, 1930.
America's Way Out: A Program for Democracy. New York: Macmillan, 1931.
Socialism and the Individual. Girard, KS: Haldeman-Julius Publications, 1931.
The Socialist Cure for a Sick Society. New York: John Day Co., 1932.
As I See It. New York: Macmillan, 1932.
What Socialism Is and Is Not. Chicago: Socialist Party, 1932.
What's the Matter with New York: A National Problem. With Paul Blanshard. New York: Macmillan, 1932.
A Socialist Looks at the New Deal. New York: League for Industrial Democracy, 1933.
The New Deal: A Socialist Analysis. Chicago: Committee on Education and Research of the Socialist Party of America, 1934.
Human Exploitation in the United States. New York: Frederick A. Stokes, 1934.
The Choice Before Us. New York: Macmillan, 1934. (UK title: Fascism or Socialism?)
The Plight of the Share Cropper. New York: League for Industrial Democracy, 1934.
War — No Glory, No Profit, No Need. New York: Frederick A. Stokes, 1935.
War As a Socialist Sees It. New York: League for Industrial Democracy, 1936.
After the New Deal — What? New York: Macmillan, 1936.
Debate: Which Road for American Workers, Socialist or Communist? : Norman Thomas vs. Earl Browder, Madison Square Garden, New York, November 27, 1935. New York: Socialist Call, 1936.
Is the New Deal Socialism? An Answer to Al Smith and the American Liberty League. New York: National Office, Socialist Party, n.d. [c. 1936].
You Can't Cure Tuberculosis with Cough Drops. New York: Socialist Party, n.d. [c. 1936].
Democracy versus Dictatorship. New York: League for Industrial Democracy, 1937.
Socialism on the Defensive. New York: Harper and Brothers, 1938.
Justice Triumphs in Spain! A Letter about the Trial of the POUM. With Devere Allen. Chicago: Socialist Party, n.d. [c. 1938].
Collective Security Means War. Chicago: Socialist Party, 1938.
Keep America Out of War: A Program. With Bertram D. Wolfe. New York: Frederick A. Stokes Co., 1939.
Russia: Democracy or Dictatorship? With Joel Seidman. New York: League for Industrial Democracy, 1939.
What's Behind the "Christian Front"? New York: Socialist Party of New York, 1939.
Stop the Draft : An Appeal to the American People. New York: Socialist National Headquarters, 1940.
We Have a Future. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1941.
World Federation: What Are the Difficulties? New York: Post War World Council, 1942.
Democracy and Japanese Americans. New York: Post War World Council, 1942.
Martin Dies and Socialism. New York: Socialist Party, n.d. [c. 1943].
Victory's Victims? The Negro's Future. With A. Philip Randolph. Socialist Party, n.d. [c. 1943].
What Is Our Destiny? Garden City, NY: Doubleday, Doran & Co., 1944.
Conscription: The Test of Peace. New York: Post War World Council, 1944.
Russia: Promise and Performance. New York: Socialist Party, 1945.
An Appeal to the Nations. New York: Henry Holt & Co., 1947.
The One Hope of Peace: Universal Disarmament Under International Control. New York: Post War World Council, 1947.
How Can the Socialist Party Best Serve Socialism? An Argument in Support of the Position of the Majority of the National Executive Committee Concerning Electoral Activities. [New York]: [Socialist Party], 1949.
A Socialist's Faith. New York: W.W. Norton, 1951.
Democratic Socialism: A New Appraisal. New York: League for Industrial Democracy, 1953.
The Test of Freedom. New York: W.W. Norton, 1954.
Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen... Reflections on Public Speaking. New York: Hermitage House, 1955.
The Prerequisites for Peace. New York: W.W. Norton, 1959.
Great Dissenters. New York: W.W. Norton, 1961.
Eugene V. Debs in the Light of History. Terre Haute, IN: Eugene V. Debs Foundation, 1964.
Socialism Re-Examined. New York: W.W. Norton, 1963.

[edit] Notes
^ David A. Shannon, The Socialist Party of America: A History. New York: Macmillan, 1955; pg. 189.
^ Johnpoll, Bernard K. Pacifist's Progress: Norman Thomas and the Decline of American Socialism. Quadrangle Books, 1970. pp 13.
^ Shannon, The Socialist Party of America, pp. 189-190.
^ Current Biography 1945, pages 688-91.
^ Current Biography 1945, page 688.
^ Current Biography 1945, page 688.
^ Shannon, The Socialist Party of America, pg. 190.
^ Shannon, The Socialist Party of America, pp. 190-191.
^ Shannon, The Socialist Party of America, pg. 191.
^ Shannon, The Socialist Party of America, pg. 191.
^ Shannon, The Socialist Party of America, pg. 191.
^ Shannon, The Socialist Party of America, pg. 191.
^ Johnpoll, Pacifist's Progress, pp. 138-139.
^ Norman Thomas, A Socialist's Faith. New York: W.W. Norton & Co., 1951; pp. 312-313.
^ Thomas, A Socialist's Faith, pg. 313.
^ The Abortion rights controversy in America, A Legal Reader, edited by N.E.H. hull, William James Hoffer and Peter Charles Hoffer, 2004. p. 60
^ The Abortion Rights Controversy, p. 61
^ Interview with Norman Thomas at Smithsonian Folkways
^ As quoted in Time magazine, December 18, 1964, available at: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... -2,00.html
^ http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKthomas.htm

[edit] Additional reading
Fleischmann, Harry, Norman Thomas: A Biography. New York, Norton & Co., 1964.
Hyfler, Robert, Prophets of the Left: American Socialist Thought in the Twentieth Century. Westport, CT: Greenwood Press, 1984.
Johnpoll, Bernard K., Pacifists Progress: Norman Thomas and the Decline of American Socialism. Chicago: Quadrangle Books, 1970.
Seilder, Murray, Norman Thomas: Respectable Rebel. Binghamton, New York, Syracuse University Press, 1967. Second Edition.
Swanberg, W. A., Norman Thomas: The Last Idealist. New York, Charles Scribner and Sons, 1976.

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