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    States Are Doing What Scott Pruitt Won’t

    Apparently a great cancer risk nationwide.. A Philadelphia suburb, Willow Grove, had a Naval Station & all the surrounding counties have tainted water. Realize that PFOAS are also in your pizza box lining, mcdonalds wrappers etc - any hot food container is lined with PFOAS. Flame retardant furniture too that you, your family & pets lounge on constantly emits particles into the air - your dust is more than just dust - along with vinyl products, particle board, formaldehyde from materials in the home; often more toxic than the air outside. There is no reason for this other than industries are not regulated properly - materials approved w/o enough testing. Dupont gets the $$$$ billions for destroying life while the execs golf on an organic golf course. NO pesticides used there .
    Of course Teflon never leaves the environment and is found in the tissues of the most remote whale on earth. The new teflon lining for pans they say is no better.
    WE NEED A REAL EPA CHIEF! AND WE NEED TOXINS BANNED & PROFITEERS PAY FOR THE CLEANUPS.


    States Are Doing What Scott Pruitt Won’t

    By Sharon Lerner
    Ms. Lerner has been reporting on the effects of this class of chemicals for more than two years.

    April 21, 2018


    CreditPatrick Kyle

    Federal action on chemicals seems to be slowing, even as the number we encounter daily grows. With the Trump administration seemingly getting the federal government out of the business of cleaning up the environment, states will have to show the way. Before President Trump was elected, Massachusetts, California and Maine led the charge, regulating certain toxic substances that the federal government had let slip by. Now Washington State has moved to the fore in this fight.

    When Stephen Swanson, a retired E.R. doctor, learned that his drinking water contained the industrial pollutant PFOA and several related chemicals, he was alarmed. Dr. Swanson, who lives on Whidbey Island, Wash., began to search for information about the chemicals, trying to figure out how they had gotten into his well and whether the contaminants that he and his family had been drinking for years might have affected their health.

    What he found was worrisome. PFOA, best known for its use in the making of Teflon and other nonstick products, had seeped into his well water from a nearby Naval air station that had used firefighting foam that contained the chemicals. PFOA, he learned, stays in human bodies for years and endures in the environment for millenniums. Even at very low levels, exposure to the chemical had been linked to certain cancers, thyroid disease, pre-eclampsia and other health problems. There is also a substantial literature showing that PFOS, a closely related chemical also used in firefighting foam, could lead to a similar constellation of effects.

    Dr. Swanson’s experience is not uncommon. According to research from the Environmental Working Group and Northeastern University, at least 15 million Americans in 27 states have PFOA or PFOS in their tap water.

    Long before the advent of Mr. Trump, the federal response to this contamination crisis had been slow. Though the first reports of PFOA in drinking water are now two decades old, the Environmental Protection Agency and its administrator, Scott Pruitt, have yet to set enforceable limits on it. In 2006, DuPont and seven other companies that manufactured or used PFOA agreed to phase it out by 2015, along with other long-chain perfluorinated compounds. The agency did set drinking water health advisory limits for PFOA and PFOS in 2016, but those can’t be used to enforce cleanups — nor do the limits prevent further use of products containing any of the chemicals in their class.

    Unlike the federal government, Washington State came up with an ingenious solution. Late last month, it passed the first state laws banning firefighting foam and food packaging containing not just PFOA and PFOS, but the entire class of chemicals to which they belong. Though chemical manufacturers have argued that some compounds in the class are safer than others, Washington banned them all. This class — known as PFAS — is huge. The E.P.A. has received information from manufacturers about hundreds of unique PFAS chemicals. Around the world, thousands are in commercial use. Like PFOS and PFOA, they may affect immune and liver function as well as hormone levels. But, as Dr. Swanson discovered, almost nothing is known for sure about their health effects.
    The scarcity of research on the lesser-known PFAS chemicals helps explain why the E.P.A. issued drinking water health advisories for only the two best-known chemicals, PFOA and PFOS. Washington State lawmakers might also have held off on taking action until they had definitive studies on each compound. Instead they took a leap. Forgoing the years or perhaps decades of research necessary for the chemicals to be fully understood, they figured it was safest to assume the worst: that since the chemicals all belong to the same class and have similar structures, they are likely to affect people in similar ways.

    When DuPont introduced GenX, in 2009, the company promoted it as a sustainable alternative to PFOA. The new chemical, which is based on a chain of six rather than eight carbons, does exit the human body more quickly than PFOA. But like PFOA, GenX is a “forever chemical,” expected to persist on the planet long after humans are gone. According to studies DuPont submitted to the E.P.A., GenX had many of the same effects on lab animals that PFOA did, including changes in the size and weight of animals’ livers and kidneys, alterations to their immune responses and cholesterol levels, weight gain, reproductive problems and cancer.


    I found those studies about GenX in an E.P.A. database almost two years ago. Since then, GenX has been detected in the drinking water of more than 200,000 people in North Carolina. Their water comes from the Cape Fear River, where another factory first owned by DuPont and later Chemours emitted its chemical waste for years. GenX has also recently been found in the groundwater near the same West Virginia plant that caused the PFOA contamination. Testing is underway to see whether it is also in drinking water there.
    While researchers are now turning their attention to the health effects of GenX, it will take years to amass enough information to fully understand it. Even if scientists were to quickly catalog its effects, GenX is only one chemical. Recent water testing near the same Chemours plant in North Carolina found that GenX made up a small portion of the PFAS chemicals. Other related compounds have yet to be named, let alone studied or regulated.

    Up to this point, we have treated these mystery chemicals with a bizarre optimism: that despite the similarities, somehow they won’t cause the same problems that their close relatives do. Combined with our longstanding federal policy of requiring definitive proof of environmental dangers before taking action, this way of thinking has led to lots of regrettable substitutions. One is underway now as the Department of Defense is phasing out firefighting foams containing PFOS and PFOA, which have caused contamination near military bases and airports, and phasing in foam that contains other PFAS chemicals.

    Firefighting foam that doesn’t contain any of the PFAS chemicals, which a growing number of entities around the world are beginning to adopt, is part of the solution. The approach Washington State is taking — banning the entire class of compounds, instead of just one — presents another. Washington’s new laws won’t make it any easier to clean up the extensive mess we’ve already made. Nor can they undo the exposure people have already had or address the health problems that has caused. But by tackling the whole class of dangerous compounds together, the state has shown a way out of the endless contamination cycle for the rest of us, who keep hoping for the best and getting the worst.

    Sharon Lerner (@fastlerner) is an environmental reporter for The Intercept. This article was reported in partnership with the nonprofit Investigative Fund.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/21/o...uitt-wont.html
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    I wonder why Obama didn't fix this? He had 8 years and all the environmentalists on his instant dial. I've known for decades about the hazards of Teflon coatings. People need to ask "why doesn't it stick?" The food doesn't stick because the coating disconnects or peels off from the pan attached to your food, and you eat it.
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    teflon will kill a parrot if close to the kitchen while a teflon pan is used. Only needs to be the degree to fry bacon to emit the toxins.

    obama admin was rife with corruption, incompetence & favoritism. teflon is phased out to some extent but the replacement is just as bad. Dupont is responsible for worldwide cancers and every now and then gets slap on the wrist with a million dollar fine.

    PFOA, heat resistant - flame retardants were made mandatory in the 70's obviously w/o proper or viable testing. A fortune was made with the mandatory status. Now it is contaminating our homes, air, water. You will never remove this stuff. Damage is done. California that once declared flame retardants mandatory is now banning, claiming a carcinogen. The stuff is 50 yrs old and still kicking out toxicity.

    Any heat resistant wrapping for hot foods have PFOAs -THEY ARE EVERYWHERE IN EVERY CITY - WHY IS THAT ALLOWED. DO NOT COUNT ON NO REGULATIONS TRUMP TO CORRECT THIS.

    Just one reason why pruitt is not worthy of the position of EPA chief.
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    I wouldn't count on Trump to fix these types of things, he probably doesn't even know about them. He's too busy fixing other messes. Maybe states will pick up the ball like Washington did. Or maybe Americans will wake up and stop buying the products.
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    Sure.....

    Tell that to the mothers' taking their bald headed CHILDREN FOR CHEMO! We have an EPA for a reason and it is not for a private, total $57,000, phone booth. We demand a REAL EPA CHIEF. Not a mercenary corporate lapper dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    I wouldn't count on Trump to fix these types of things, he probably doesn't even know about them. He's too busy fixing other messes. Maybe states will pick up the ball like Washington did. Or maybe Americans will wake up and stop buying the products.
    That all goes back to those he hires to do the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artist View Post
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    Tell that to the mothers' taking their bald headed CHILDREN FOR CHEMO! We have an EPA for a reason and it is not for a private, total $57,000, phone booth. We demand a REAL EPA CHIEF. Not a mercenary corporate lapper dog.
    I think we have a REAL EPA CHIEF. Why else would he need a soundproof phone booth if he wasn't fixing an agency that hadn't fixed the problems? He's fixing an agency that couldn't even get a basic water test right in Flint, Michigan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Or maybe Americans will wake up and stop buying the products.
    Just like Americans don't make Comey, Hillary, and many other crooks rich selling books and appearances? Idiot TV/Movie stars remain popular. Drugs that hurt people become popular? No, Americans follow what they are told is "cool". They will not stop buying something they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtdc View Post
    Just like Americans don't make Comey, Hillary, and many other crooks rich selling books and appearances? Idiot TV/Movie stars remain popular. Drugs that hurt people become popular? No, Americans follow what they are told is "cool". They will not stop buying something they want.
    Some will, some won't. We'll see how it works out for the Americans in Washington state. They may be trendsetters. Back when EPA was formed, the states didn't have environmental protection agencies, they didn't have any resources or even much knowledge on the issues.

    Today, because of EPA's work over many decades, states have learned a lot, developed their own conforming regulations and often even gone further, as is their right to do. Pruitt is a states rights person, so is Trump, so what Washington State has done could well be the wave that kicks off even more state handling of these matters, which is what Trump wanted to see happen, i. e., more state handling of these matters they're competent to handle and less reliance on federal agencies.

    There will always be an EPA to coordinate, do studies, research, and provide federal response to matters in states that fail, like the failure in Flint, Michigan. But what was EPA's response before Trump? Nothing, but lies. This is the sad state of affairs at the EPA that Pruitt has inherited.

    It's a mess, fixing it is a big job, EPA and FDA are two of the biggest swamps in DC, so until you clean house and get all these rats out, with them all gossiping, leaking, eavesdropping, and anti-Trumping everything within the agency until you do, it's very difficult for a new EPA Administrator to fix this agency without being able to have private confidential conversations, so I totally understand the soundproof booth. Trump and all Cabinet Members need one, if you ask me.

    None of these federal agencies are filled with happy excited loyal Trump Supporters who support the Trump Agenda. They are filled with people who are either Democrats who voted for Hillary and despise this President or Never Trump Republicans who despise this President and plot daily for the failure of this President and his Agenda to fix our country. That's not just EPA, it's every federal agency.

    Imagine going to work every day as the head of a department and walking down the halls and through the agency knowing 9 out of 10 of the people you depend on to execute your orders and policies are plotting your demise, yet you can't fire them because of Civil Service rules? Tough jobs for all in this administration.

    Draining the Swamp wasn't just about lobbyists, it was about 90% of all 3 branches of the federal government. It will take time to fix that.

    So the sooner states address the problems that are of concern to them in areas where they can, the better.
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    I think we have a REAL EPA CHIEF. Why else would he need a soundproof phone booth if he wasn't fixing an agency that hadn't fixed the problems? He's fixing an agency that couldn't even get a basic water test right in Flint, Michigan.
    HOGWASH! All states have an EPA state level and they are all beholding to industry - they didn't catch anything? That is why we need accountability not private talks.

    You think pruitt will be better - he won't test at all. He wants to make deals with industry in his private phone booth and not get caught. His calendar is filled with meetings with them. Put 2+2 together. Guess you like toxic coal residue in your water. Doesn't add jobs just $$$ for coal industry and their share holders. Guess you are fine with the damage toxicity causes the unborn fetus.
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