Thread: What do you think of this?

Did you notice all the children's cold medicines were taken off the shelf? They're just gone. No discussion, no nothing. Everything's just gone.

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ehagedorn - > The Pulse -> The dangers of baby cold medicine
The dangers of baby cold medicine
Drug companies voluntarily withdrew over-the-counter cough-and-cold medicines for infants and toddlers younger than 2 last week.

While the medicines aren't dangerous in the right doses, the companies are afraid parents will accidentally OD their kids, an industry spokesperson said.

(Read "Kids' cold medicine removed" in last Friday's Californian.)

Several people questioned the staff at the Wal-Mart pharmacy on Rosedale Highway Thursday about the missing medications, said pharmacist Eva Flynn.

"I don't really agree with it because it's not the manufacturer's fault," Flynn said of the recall. "If the parents would follow the directions, there would not be a problem."

Bakersfield Kaiser Permanente pediatrician Dr. Kip Tulin tries to dissuade parents from using the stuff, telling them it doesn't work.

"You're giving them a medicine with no good effect, possible side effects and it costs money," he said. "I'd rather give them a sugar syrup -- at least there's no side effects."

CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta has an interesting blog on this. The comments are especially interesting. For example, one mom wrote:

"The hardest thing is me as a mom accepting that I can't do anything about a cold, other than just letting it happen. His doctors always tell me to wait the cold out, but I think that's harder on me than on my son, because I want to be able to make things all better for him, but I can't cure the cold."

Both Flynn and Tulin brought up the fact that parents sometimes use the medicines to avoid feeling helpless.

"There will probably be a group of parents who say, 'Now I can't get these. What can you give me, doctor?'" Tulin said

How do you feel about the recall? Have you used this medicine? Does it work? And what will you do now?

I DONT BELIEVE THAT COLD MEDICINE DOES NOT WORK FOR CHILDREN. WOULDNT THAT MEAN THAT NO COLD MEDICINES REALLY WORK? I GUESS ITS POSSIBLE THAT THEY DONT AND THERE IS JUST A PLACEBO EFFECT. BUT THEN WHAT WERE THEY DOING ON THE MARKET IF THEY DONT WORK? IF THEY ARE DANGEROUS OR DONT WORK THEN ITS OK THAT THEY RECALLED IT. ITS ONLY A COLD AND ONLY LASTS A FEW DAYS. CHICKEN SOUP WORKS TOO. PLENTY OF FLUIDS AND BEDREST.....JUST LIKE THE DAYS OF YORE.

I think it is stupid for the industry to pull those medicines simply because there were a few stupid people. That would be like closing down all Starbucks because a few dorks burnt themselves on the hot coffee!!

However, on the flip side of those infant/toddler cold medicines, my experience has been that they do not work so well. Even now, when my kids, who are 10 and 14, take something they tell me that it did not help at all.

With babies, Vicks Rub (or Mentholatum), a humidifier with some liquid Vicks, lots of fluids and Tylenol, simply releiving their discomfort, well... that's my experience.

Don't get caught up in whether they worked or not. Look at what's happened. They're ALL gone, overnight. ALL brands. Without notice, warning. That took coordination. No yelling from the companies producing them... they just all took everything right off the shelves on the same day.

I think it's bad. They same powers that be have been threatening also to take alternative vitamin supplements off the markets as well. We rely on these for our son's autism as we treat him biomedically with various supplements, vitamin B12, etc. If these were to be pulled, it would have a terrible effect on him.

But they've been doing it ...because it threatens big Pharma's grip on the market. They want our kids drugged, not treated or cured.

All part of the corporate control of us all.

In Texas we must show a drivers license to purchase some allergy meds.
while the drugs runners continue to haul all they need across the border
to make meth.

My trusted pediatrician (who has since retired) always said that it was ok to give a small dose of cough medicine to my kids, as long as they were at least 2 yrs old (dosages always based on weight). My kids have had infant Tylenol and Motrin when fever made it a necessity. This is all a bunch of malarkey in my not-so-humble opinion. I still have Robitussin and Children's fever reducers in my cabinet, and Benadryl for those auspicious allergies. The FDA can bite me, seriously. I know my kids, I know what they can and cannot have, I am the one taking care of them. The government has no business telling me how to raise my kids.

Troxel vs. Granville (US Supreme Court, July 2000) states that "parents have the fundamental right to raise their children the way they see fit."

Originally Posted by oldguy

In Texas we must show a drivers license to purchase some allergy meds.
while the drugs runners continue to haul all they need across the border
to make meth.

On one of my last trips to Wally World before I boycotted them over a year ago, I had to show my DL to the pharmacy to buy ONE BOX OF SUDAFED. In addition, they only had the little plastic cards with the drug info printed on them, which I had to take to the pharmacist to get the box. I questioned this martial law tactic, and was told that meth manufacturers (politically correct version of drug dealer?) use ingredients in antihistamines to make methamphetamines. I told her that I was only buying one box of Sudafed not hundreds. She said the government tracks who buys the allergy meds and anyone who buys too much or too often is investigated!

I started buying my one-box-a-year of Sudafed from Dollar General, who apparently doesn't have to card for allergy meds.

This is scary - maybe they want more children going to the doctor instead of parents treating them at home??

If they are taking it off the shelf because parents might OD their kids - then I suppose all medicenes will be taken off the shelf. It is a possibility.

What about prescription medicene - might they not give their kids too much of that?

I just wonder how many have actually OD'd their kids?

Cold medicenes treat the symptoms, stuffy noses, coughs, etc. Sometimes it is a good thing to dry up a running nose. A simple cold, with running nose, can turn into something much worse. Not that I am advocating the cold medicenes, don't know that I ever gave any - but this is nonsense.

Maybe I need to go stock up on vitamins before they decide we don't have sense enough to take them ourselves.

As to the Sudafed, etc., just another thought. Yes, I want the meth dealers stopped in their tracks, but they have done almost nothing to stop the meth coming across the border. There was an article that stated Mexico buys a huge amount of the cold medicenes containing the ingredient used in meth - far, far too much for the population of the country.

Maybe our government is just cutting down on the competition for the Mexican dealers.

I agree that the government has no right to stick their noses into our business and tell us what to do, or not do, with our kids.

I do agree with those here who have stated that it has to do with the really big pharmaceautical companies and such to control the market and medical field.

Here in Oregon, we have to have a prescription in order to even get Sudafed. We live just across the river from Vancouver, Washington, and they only require a signature at the pharmacy counter, so I drive over there (I have year round allergies that cause terrible stuffy nose). Now, just recently in The Oregonian, many local police reps spoke out saying that with all the controls our state has set in with Sudafed, the meth problem is worse than before. They have stopped local meth labds, but they are now getting stuff made in Mexico and brought through by drug cartels, all much harder to break into and shut down.

Although I agree with trying to control the meth epidemic by controling Sudafed (though it has proven it did not work on outside sources), I often wonder if this and the kids cold medicine situation, it is another way for the socialists to bring about universal health care, something that many of us do not want?