Thread: Ron Paul on the Issues

Ron Paul: “The Victor Today Will Be The Status Quo” – CNN 11/06/2012

Congressman and former GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul says why he isn’t giving either candidate his endorsement.





Ron Paul: “The Victor Today Will Be The Status Quo” – CNN 11/06/2012

GOP in Deep Trouble, Ron Paul Looking Good

Ryan W. McMaken
Lew Rockwell Blog
Nov 7, 2012
Romney lost today to a guy who is overseeing a horrible economy, prosecuting unpopular wars, and who can barely string 5 words together without a teleprompter. This was the best the Republican Party can do. Not only are the Republicans evil, they’re evil and contemptible losers, which is far worse.



The biggest losers tonight are of course people who value peace and freedom, but we would have also lost if Romney won. The GOP is right up there in the loser category, however. The GOP lost seats in the Senate, and did little to improve its position in the House. It has served up two ridiculously bad nominees in a row, claiming “electability” and then going down in flames.

Rand Paul certainly came out of this looking very bad as well. He fell in line behind the party masters, banking on some advantage to be gained through an endorsement of Romney. He ended up just looking politically un-savvy and unprincipled. There is little to be gained either, from playing ball with a Party that as inept as the GOP at this point.

It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that the GOP may actually show sign of disintegration in the next several years. The GOP has ceased to present any sort of actual alternative, and worse yet, it can’t run a winning candidate. Once that happens, the coalition that makes up your political party will begin to fall apart.

The Ron Paul movement is a big winner here. The GOP told the libertarians in the party to get lost, and the GOP paid for it. Interestingly, both Iowa and Nevada, where Ron Paul supporters gained control of the state party, both went to Obama after the Romney campaign actively fought to disenfranchise Ron Paul supporters. I guess the GOP got what it wanted there.

There is exactly one movement that offers any real opposition to the status quo, and it ain’t the conservative movement, which is on life support and entering a permanent vegetative state. Ron Paul’s libertarian movement, brimming with well-educated young people is the only thing left standing. The GOP operatives who predicted a big victory tonight just look pathetic.

On foreign policy, if it proves to be true that Obama is truly reluctant to engage in the mass murder of Iranians, that may be a victory there all by itself. Time well tell on that one.

And finally, when the economy enters a deep recession in a couple of years (or sooner), it will be good that Obama will be in office. You all know how it would have gone otherwise: After a couple of years of Romney misrule, the media will decide that Romney was the candidate of “free markets.” Then, mired in a depression, our wise overlords will declare that “we tried that free market thing, and look what happened.”

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America still has NO idea what it lost... you had one chance and believed the Bull crap that flowed from the MSN the RNC and the GOP

you will NOT re-cover from this one

Romney supporter has a meltdown over loss, blames Ron Paulers and libertarians

Submitted by Shawker on Wed, 11/07/2012 - 20:31
Video, TV & Movies

About 4 minutes in, she starts to go off on Ron Paul & Gary Johnson supporters. She also blames people who didn't thumb up her youtube videos and accuses Republicans of not having technological prowess. She really sounds unhinged.

Video: LiveLeak.com - Fat lady has epic meltdown over Obama win


WARNING FOUL LANGUAGE

Romney supporter has a meltdown over loss, blames Ron Paulers and libertarians | Peace . Gold . Liberty

Dennis Kucinich to Speak On Targeted Killing, Drones and 4th Amendment

Submitted by ProudAmericanFirst on Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:46


Massive Death Toll Belies Claim that Drone Strikes are only used in Cases of an "Imminent Threat" - YouTube

Dennis Kucinich will host a briefing Friday November 16, 2012 to discuss targeted killing, the implication of drone policy at home and abroad and the 4th Amendment.

Please spread this, facebook, email, twitter. This needs to go viral to ALL American citizens, and all around the world.

http://kucinich.house.gov...

Dennis Kucinich to Speak On Targeted Killing, Drones and 4th Amendment | Peace . Gold . Liberty

Defeat Lindsey Graham in 2014

Submitted by Verrater on Wed, 11/07/2012 - 15:11
Liberty Candidates
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Please I know there is some divisiveness, of which I am party to as well, over 2016 candidates. It's very exciting and with marijuana legalization, and having so many liberty candidates win this year.

However, right now 2014 is very important for us. I think in 2014 our number one PRIORITY is defeating Lindsey Graham. Where's Tom Davis? Tell him to get in gear!
Anyone that has any news, opinions or insight would be most appreciated.

Thanks

Defeat Lindsey Graham in 2014 | Peace . Gold . Liberty

Awesome Next Step: Replace Republican Party

Submitted by Tman2000 on Wed, 11/07/2012 - 18:42
Politics, General + Law(s)
Florida

Where do we go from here? We need a vision, and then A BANNER!

Well, I had a brilliant idea the other day: replace the Republican Party. Sure, sounds more like a nice dream I had right? But having read DP this whole election season I can say that folks here know what I mean when I say that the Republican Party is basically dead and defunct. It's at least going there.

In fact, most of the ideas of the Liberty movement are exactly what the Republicans would need, in theory, to remain relevant in the future. Specifically, we want to STOP BIG GOVERNMENT SOCIALISM AND SAVE THE FUTURE.

If a "third" party gained in strength to above 10%, it would get exposure. From that, it might get 20%. Then it would siphon Dems and Repubs. The Dems could stay alive by going full warfare/welfare. The Repubs would then cease to exist - so the rest would go to the new "third" party. Then America would be Liberty vs. Statism.

Now, I have a specific formula in mind that will do what Libertarianism per se has not done. After all, it's not as if we haven't dreamed of this before.

I think the time has come to find a framework in which both Libertarians (i.e.: Rothbard etc.) and Tea Partiers can find common ground. That's enough to get the 10%. And with good foundations, we'll get 20% once there's exposure. The time is now! The most establishment, good looking Repub in years lost handily to the free handout coalition. The party is dead and now the country is going to go off a fiscal/financial cliff in Democrat hands. THE TIME IS NOW! There is no more Ron Paul campaign, the election is over. THE TIME IS NOW! The 'shut up and vote Romney' people were wrong and the election is over. THE TIME IS NOW!

So what do I have in mind to make this magic happen? My formula is a party founded on basic principles which unite people from diverse backgrounds.

The ORIGINAL Tea Party was this coalition and it ROCKED! But it had no unifying principles or organization. Special interest and big money took over, it veered to the crazy right, and the lib media eviscerated it. But WE THE PEOPLE who were first part of that tax day tea party against bailouts, handouts, Obama, Wall Street, and leviathan are still here. We still want it, in the Ron Paul 'verse, and amongst the neocon-lite blogosphere; even the liberaltarians were jazzed. I feel like I've had a vision of a specific set of principles and a banner for them. It would start out right with clear intentions that would hold as it faced attacks from the monied right and media left. More than anything, it would hold against INTERNAL DISUNION. The principle of union from the American Revolution was spot on! It was twisted to mean a coercive union. The right moral and political principles can inspire a powerful voluntary union in the name of liberty!

The essence of these principles is:

1 - Federalism: Devolve as much power as humanly possible to the states, supporting nullification, 10th amendment powers and so forth. This includes sending money back, or even military funding and training responsibility in the form of the national guard if possible. This will prevent most of the imperialistic administrative intervention by the federal state into our lives. It will also allow us to fight more effectively at the local level which is more accessible and where you find more homogenous coalitions. We need real fights and examples. It's cute when Colorado nullifies marijuana laws, but we need state legislators, governors, and judges aligned in spirit with this new national party who will fight everything from Obamacare to OSHA to war.

2 - Constitutionalism: the document might too heavily favor central government, but let's at least use it. For example: no search and seizure, not going to war without congressional debate and approval, and so forth. Let's force the other guys to FOLLOW THE LAW.

3 - The REAL Free Market: Congress' commerce power is meant to open trade not restrict it. Let's see some laws FORCING states to give up onerous economic intervention. Let's see some teeth against the Fed and Wall Street and cronyism and corruption. Let's make SPECTACLES. "Wow, these guys are serious about taking down fat cats"

4 - Morality and Prosperity through Liberty: The philosophical notion, as an educational arm of the party's efforts, that liberty leads to personal responsibility which is THE building block of wealth and good behavior. You won't have the money to support ANY disadvantaged without a robust and prosperous general society. People WILL NOT be moral or have conservative values if they don't have any responsibilities or accountability. This will be part of the political/cultural messaging of the party. This is how we attract Conservatives, and eventually those who are concerned about the disadvantaged.

5 - Compromise: If we all uphold these principles together we can accept the fact that not everybody is a libertarian yet, or not everyone wants to bomb Iran, or not everyone is an evangelical, or not everyone wants to legalize drugs, or not everyone thinks there should be welfare. We just want to start doing these things at the state level where the PEOPLE are actually EMPOWERED to try and see and learn what works and what doesn't. I think you'd find out liberty works, but certainly we will never settle a darn thing at the federal level. Only the socialists will.
The party itself will fight the Federal leviathan basically. It doesn't have to have a unified position on every war. It doesn't have to have agree on all moral issues. It can - initially - have members who might choose to caucus with Repubs or Dems. The goal is the principle of local power. This means it won't be heavily libertarian per se. It will enable libertarians to make their case more effectively. It will also allow our society to restructure towards greater independence in the civil society and private sector, as well as in households and families (because the federal leviathan strangles everything).

So if Mass. or Illinois want public healthcare and onerous taxes, public pensions, environmental nitpicks, etc. THEY CAN HAVE THEM. And hey, if Alabama wants to jail abortion practitioners, WHY NOT. These issues will never be settled nationally and are distractions from the key issue of liberty.

The key issue of liberty in my opinion is economics. This is what pays for empires and controls human activity. Liberty's enemy is leviathan.

THIS IS THE KEY. Fighting hard in a national coalition against the federal monster. We who agree on that can keep our principles. It won't be perfect, but it's the best path. I for one don't want to wait for the system to collapse in on itself then pick up the pieces. For all I know the collapse is part of the plan. So I say fight now. We are better informed as a civilization about economics and politics then ever before, we have many answers we didn't have before. And we have the internet. NOW IS THE TIME.

So, are you convinced? I've started a blog for this party, and I'd like people to come comment there.

If you do, or comment here on DP that you like this idea, I'll spruce up my posts and site big time. I don't plan on having ads or anything or even running said party or movement. I want to kick start it though, because I feel almost like I've had a vision.

I want to start a discussion.

For now, the name I've come up with is: The Columbia Party.

Columbia was what the revolution era Americans called their nation once they decided they would be apart from 'Britannia'. This was before the days of Lincoln. Lincoln created the notion that "USA" was a country, it was only a political entity back then. The only name the people had for their NATION besides 'America' (the whole continent) was 'Columbia'. So a Columbia Party would be the party of the people of the nation of Columbia - implying that we and our land are bigger and self existent, apart from the political entity USA. Thus we are the people of Columbia fighting back against the largesse of USA which is basically an Empire on our land.

And it so happens that there is NO Columbia Party, not even a fringe one. We could register this baby in all the states!!!

Anyway, I do fear the occult associations that Columbia has, but basically everything does. I figure that symbols can stand for power and evil (occult) or represent one aspect of God. Columbia basically means dove, and the Holy Ghost is the dove, so the Christian connotation means that this land is blessed (the LAND is, with abundance), and that her people are moral. I like the name because it really describes a truly American notion independent of USA, and has great patriotic songs that lack the bombast of rockets red glare. It has the revolutionary flair of the TEA PARTY but more sophistication.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siHfQGn3JTs

The Columbia Party is to the Tea Party what Continental Congress was to the Boston Tea Party.

Enough with that though, I've waxed on sufficiently at the blog about the topic:

http://columbiaparty.com

Sorry if my writing is obtuse or if the blog is ugly. I'll put more work into it if you guys want. And once I feel like this idea is kick started, I'll step back and don't care who runs what (preferably state parties independent at first, with multiple internet forums). To me, the Columbia Party is more of a set of ideas than an organization. But it's also a banner, which we need.

Awesome Next Step: Replace Republican Party | Peace . Gold . Liberty

The Ron Paul Factor - Definitive Results - OMG It's True!

Submitted by Canada4RonPaul on Wed, 11/07/2012 - 06:31
Election 2012
DP Original

2012 Election Results – The Ron Paul Factor

Click for results document with clear tables: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B6c...Vd2WkpUV0pVQ00

I simply make the case that our Ron Paul Primary voters, if they held true and did not vote for Romney and the fake GOP in the General Election, we would have been the deciding factor in 4 key states: New Hampshire, Florida, Ohio, and Virginia.

The final General Election numbers which were released on CNN.com compared the the Primary Election numbers released on CNN.com. RP voters would have taken 64 Electoral College votes from Obama and given them to Romney.

The GOPs active campaign to lie, cheat, steal and purposefully disenfranchise liberty voters ultimately cost them the election.

My goal was to draw a distinction, not make 'multiplier' affect assumptions based on where votes might have went. I simply don't know these metrics and guess what.... neither does anyone else.

Here are the straight numbers:
Row 1: States that Obama Won in the General Election
Row 2: Ron Paul Primary Votes Results
Row 3: Obama vs. Romney General Election Results
Row 4: The Ron Paul Factor
Row 5: State Electoral College Votes

Iowa | 26,036 | 88,629 D+ | No | 6
New Hampshire | 56,848 | 33,746 D+ | YES | 4
Florida | 117,100 | 46,039 D+ | YES | 29
Nevada | 6,175 | 66,379 D+ | No | 6
Colorado | 7,713 | 69,517 D+ | No | 9
Minnesota | 13,023 | 225,213 D+ | No | 10
Maine | 1,996 | 90,969 D+ | No | 4
Michigan | 115,956 | 346,376 D+ | No | 16
Washington | 12,594 | 239,950 D+ | No | 12
Massachusetts | 35,219 | 698,021 D+ | No | 11
Ohio | 113,256 | 100,763 D+ | YES | 18
Vermont | 15,391 | 101,335 D+ | No | 3
Virginia | 107,451 | 106,726 D+ | YES | 13
Illinois | 85,747 | 825,506 D+ | No | 20
DC | 621 | 204,995 D+ | No | 3
Maryland | 23,609 | 586,258 D+ | No | 10
Wisconsin | 87,858 | 201,702 D+ | No | 10
Connecticut | 8,032 | 229,145 D+ | No | 7
Delaware | 3,017 | 77,071 D+ | No | 3
New York | 27,699 | 1,640,969 D+| No | 29
Pennsylvania | 106,148 | 283,694 D+ | No | 20
Rhode Island | 3,473 | 116,169 D+ | No | 4
Oregon | 36,810 | 132,554 D+ | No | 7
California | 199,246 | 1,403,172 D+| No| 55
New Jersey | 24,017 | 559,398 D+ | No | 14
New Mexico | 9,363 | 78,596 D+ | No | 5
Hawaii | 1,712 | 183,596 D+ | No | 4

The Ron Paul Factor Electoral Votes: New Hampshire (4), Florida (29), Ohio (1, Virginia (13) = 64

Obama Total Electoral Votes: 303 (Minus 64 = 239)

Romney Total Electoral Votes: 206 (Plus 64 = 270)

THE LIBERTY VOTE WOULD HAVE WON THE PRESIDENCY FOR ROMNEY!

The Ron Paul Factor - Definitive Results - OMG It's True! | Peace . Gold . Liberty

Dear GOP, We Told Ya So!

Submitted by FSUJAG54 on Wed, 11/07/2012 - 09:27
Election 2012
DP Original

We told you that if you cheated to foist your uncharismatic and unpopular candidate upon us that he could not win.

We told you he was too similar to Obama. So similar, in fact, that he could not challenge Obama on his weak spots--foreign policy, bailouts, RobamaCare, civil liberties, etc.

We told you that he had no real support, other than the "anyone but Obama" vote, and that that wasn't enough to defeat Obama... in spite of what a weak incumbent he was. We told you that we wouldn't vote for Romney and we didn't. Now look at what you've done. You've torn the party apart, chased many of the young people off to the Libertarian Party or into independent status. You've ruined your already-tarnished reputation by cheating your own members.

Where you should've punished those in the state parties who cheated, you rewarded them with promotions into the national party ranks [see the heads of the ME and LA parties for an explanation on this].

You left the liberty wing of the party (which represents 100% of the growth and enthusiasm, not to mention the most educated and informed membership) so frustrated and angry that we rooted against your anointed candidate.

Well done, GOP leadership. You have nobody to blame but yourselves.

You better pray enough of us are willing to try to rebuild this party now, instead of jumping off of this sinking ship. You better dig deep and realize the error of your ways. No, the REAL error of your ways--not that Romney chose the wrong running mate, that Obama cheated, or any other excuse you'll concoct and spread over the airwaves on Fox News or Rush Limbaugh.

Recognize that you ostracized the man who started the tea party, which won a lot of elections for the GOP in 2010.

Recognize that you ostracized the man who (arguably) started the Occupy movement. Recognize that you ostracized the man who woke up a generation and changed the nature of the GOP (and in many ways the general) debates.

Recognize that your lying cheating ways caused all of this. Then step aside and let us do the work that we started in 2007.

If you REALLY care about this country and this party you'll resign now, admit your wrongs, and do everything you can to help us turn this party around. We tried your way and it didn't work.

Step aside, GOP. We'll take it from here.

Dear GOP, We Told Ya So! | Peace . Gold . Liberty

Drudge top right column: Ron Paul: Election shows U.S. 'far gone'

Submitted by sailingaway on Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:10
Click through Drudge link to get him in the habit of covering Ron again: www.drudgereport.com

Washington Times: Rep. Ron Paul, whose maverick presidential bids shook the GOP, said in the wake of this week's elections that the country has already veered over the fiscal cliff and he sees no chance of righting ship in a country where too many people are dependent on government.

"We're so far gone. We're over the cliff," the Texas Republican told Bloomberg Television's "In the Loop" program. "We cannot get enough people in Congress in the next 5-10 years who will do wise things." The video can be seen at http://www.bloomberg.com/video/ron-paul-on-fiscal-cliff-and-....

Mr. Paul, who is retiring after 12 terms in the House, said voters on Tuesday rejected Mitt Romney because he had opposed the government bailout of General Motors and Chrysler.

"The people in the Midwest voted against him: 'Oh, we have to be taken care of!' So that vote was sort of like what we are laughing at in Greece," Mr. Paul said.

Read more - Article direct link:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/nov...

Drudge top right column: Ron Paul: Election shows U.S. 'far gone' | Peace . Gold . Liberty

Glenn Beck admits GOP Establishment is OVER, but can't figure out the youth vote? Riiiight!

Submitted by ArsenalGunners11 on Thu, 11/08/2012 - 18:44

Election 2012
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http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/11/08/glenn-establishment-gop-...

Hmm... I wonder why Obama got 60% compared to Romney's 30%.

Can't imagine why so many youth would not vote for Romney.

Well Glenn, I'll just let you read the comments below to find out for yourself.

The GOP Establishment is over, because WE stood up and cleaned up our own backyard in 2008 & 2012, because Fox News, Rush, & other pundits like YOU caved, and pushed for two of the worst republican candidates in history.

But don't worry. The Democratic Party didn't "Win" anything either. This "Win" of theirs is set up to fail by Obama's poor policies. It was people that love their welfarism & think Obama can be their forever Santa Claus, or it was a protest vote.

I feel sad for Obama. He's inheriting a horrible horrible mess from the president from the last four years.

The "Dependancy Party" is next. Obama could start more undeclared wars, pay for millions of new math teachers, raise taxes & spending, and there would still be those "Die Hard Democrats" that would believe that he and other democrats can do no wrong. But, when the fiat currency busts because Obama won't push to audit the Fed.??? When people go HUNGRY. That is when they will leave. When we have nothing left to give to them because our currency goes bust, what will be left to offer to the few in the democratic party that are not dependants of America? Liberty! That is what the rEVOLution offers, and they WILL come over. They WILL finally see the way out of this mess. "Good" democrats will come over to us, if nothing else but to start cleaning up their backyard.

But Glenn, even YOU couldn't figure out that Ron Paul had pockets of democrat & independent youth coming over through him? YOU shunned Ron Paul. YOU attempted to hijack the TEA Party. YOU walked with Romney. YOU sir are to blame for Obama's next four years.

Yes, the rEVOLution will take it from here. We welcome all that truly pursue liberty towards what Ron Paul has called for: morality & virtue.

2014 & 2016 - Here WE come.

Glenn Beck admits GOP Establishment is OVER, but can't figure out the youth vote? Riiiight! | Peace . Gold . Liberty