Thread: LIST OF AMERICANS KILLED BY ILLEGAL ALIENS

What you seem to be overlooking is that 1% is WAY to high. They shouldn't be in this country in the first place. There is a FACT for you.

Thanks, NewMexican.

That certainly puts things in perspective.

Let's see, we have roughly 290 million people in this country. According to the 2000 Census report, hispanics (any race) were 35,305,818. That 12% of the population.

Now if we take the FBIs wanted list:

The total number of people on the list is 63.

That translates into 38%.

From the FBI Most Wanted for Murder thread.

http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=F ... ic&t=37114

Originally Posted by MrLeft

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

I'm enjoying this little game, so let's keep going.

How do you feel about the reliability of the GAO? It produced the report in 2005 that is most frequently cited.

Here were its findings relative to the numbers of aliens as a percentage of the prison population for 2001-2004 (page 15 of the report):

total * US citizens * aliens

2001: 154,290 * 111,866 * 42,424
2002: 161,110 * 117,037 * 44,073
2003: 170,365 * 124,302 * 46,063
2004: 178,512 * 129,804 * 48,708

That works out to 27.3% for 2004 and an average for the period of 27.3%. I would say that's pretty consistent.

Here's a link to the GAO report, titled Information on Criminal Aliens Incarcerated in Federal and State Prisons and Local Jails:

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05337r.pdf

Are we getting close to being able to agree that the percentage of aliens in our prisons is something over 25%?

FEDERAL FEDERAL FEDERAL!!!!!

Worth saying 3 times as you conveniently omitted it in your post. They make no mention of the percentage in state prison.

So, they are saying 27.3% of FEDERAL inmates are noncitizens, congress is saying "approaching 25%", and that hack job of a website you sourced suggested it was 29%. The official US Dept of Justice figures suggests it is 19%. The 19% is the most recent report.

Do you see the problem?


And just for you, they cleared up an earlier point:

"criminal alieans - noncitizens convicted of crimes while in this country legally or illegally".

ABSOLUTELY FALSE!!! Did you even look at the GAO report? Did you even look at the NAME of the report? The GAO report was based on incarceration at the federal, state and local level COMBINED. Nice try, TROLL.

Originally Posted by MrLeft

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by MrLeft

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

And more on the percentage in prisons, with source cited:

Criminal aliens—non-citizens who commit crimes—are a growing threat to public safety and national security, as well as a drain on our scarce criminal justice resources. In 1980, our federal and state prisons housed fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. By the end of 1999, these same prisons housed over 68,000 criminal aliens.1 Today, criminal aliens account for over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities and a higher share of all federal prison inmates.2 These prisoners represent the fastest growing segment of the federal prison population. Over the past five years, an average of more than 72,000 aliens have been arrested annually on drug charges alone.

1. Other aliens not included in this total include immigrants who have become U.S. citizens (not included in the federal prison data), aliens being held for trial and some awaiting deportation but not convicted in the United States, e.g., the Cuban Marielitos.
2. National Institute of Corrections, Federal Bureau of Prisons, June 2003.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?p ... enters0b9c

Did you really just quote the Federation of American Immigration Reform? Is it 29% or the "approaching 25%" that you just hung your hat on one post ago?

Citing your souce is not the same as citing the source of the statistic. Which again, has no souce.

No, I cited the National Institute of Corrections, Federal Bureau of Prisons, June 2003, as provided in the footnote.

You are cetainly a troll, because no matter what the ultimate source, you're going to attack the person quoting it. I'm sure that in the end you will laugh off the GAO report because I quoted it here on ALIPAC.

What a goof!

One by one.

The NIC citation, is the GAO report you just used. They put the figure at 27.3%. The 29% is therefore a lie. Yes? http://www.nicic.org/Library/020506

The Federal Bureau of Prisons put out one report in June 03, and that was "A Review of the Treatment of Aliens Held on Immigration Charges in Connection with the Investigation of the September 11 Attacks" http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/reports/BOP/index.htm It is a very long report, and I certainly can find no mention of 29% in it. There isn't even a section examining such things.

The site EXAGGERATED the numbers. Or lied if you prefer. That is why I'm refuse to believe any source that doesn't link it's citation to a particular stat.

You BONEHEAD! How on EARTH could the 2003 NIC document be the same as the GAO document when the GAO document was prepared in 2005 and included statistics for 2004? How stupid are you? What has happened is that YOU have pulled up the wrong NIC document.

THIS CLOWN IS CLEARLY A TROLL, AND I SUGGEST THAT HE SHOULD GET THE STANDARD TROLL TREATMENT. He is clearly not here to honestly debate, but to disrupt the site by lying his stinking arse off.

Because ALL these figures necessarily require some level of extrapolation because of differences in how the various states categorize their inmates, the difference between 27.3% in one estimate and 29% in another represents nothing more than differences in methodology.

It was your insinuation that these numbers were being pulled out of thin air, when it is clear that various governmental reports have generated numbers well within the ballpark, and certainly a helluva lot closer to the numbers our guys have been quoting than to the lowball numbers you were trying to sell.

I want to applaud CrocketsGhost for doing such a great job beating the troll. He has invested a ton of time on great stats and debate.

Mr. Left has been owned!

CrocketG has gone rabid on this troll.

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by MrLeft

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

I'm enjoying this little game, so let's keep going.

How do you feel about the reliability of the GAO? It produced the report in 2005 that is most frequently cited.

Here were its findings relative to the numbers of aliens as a percentage of the prison population for 2001-2004 (page 15 of the report):

total * US citizens * aliens

2001: 154,290 * 111,866 * 42,424
2002: 161,110 * 117,037 * 44,073
2003: 170,365 * 124,302 * 46,063
2004: 178,512 * 129,804 * 48,708

That works out to 27.3% for 2004 and an average for the period of 27.3%. I would say that's pretty consistent.

Here's a link to the GAO report, titled Information on Criminal Aliens Incarcerated in Federal and State Prisons and Local Jails:

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05337r.pdf

Are we getting close to being able to agree that the percentage of aliens in our prisons is something over 25%?

FEDERAL FEDERAL FEDERAL!!!!!

Worth saying 3 times as you conveniently omitted it in your post. They make no mention of the percentage in state prison.

So, they are saying 27.3% of FEDERAL inmates are noncitizens, congress is saying "approaching 25%", and that hack job of a website you sourced suggested it was 29%. The official US Dept of Justice figures suggests it is 19%. The 19% is the most recent report.

Do you see the problem?


And just for you, they cleared up an earlier point:

"criminal alieans - noncitizens convicted of crimes while in this country legally or illegally".

ABSOLUTELY FALSE!!! Did you even look at the GAO report? Did you even look at the NAME of the report? The GAO report was based on incarceration at the federal, state and local level COMBINED. Nice try, TROLL.

I'm not sure why I'm bothering, as you already know that what you just said is nonsense.

Sure, the report covers federal, state, and local level, however the 27% stat you quoted is for federal alone. It's quite clear about it:

"the percentage of all federal prisoners who are criminal aliens has remained the same over the last 3 years - about 27 percent".

It's really just about reading comprehension.

More NIC stats, in this case from 2003 (the year cited in the FairUS article):

Percentages of offenses of incarcerated criminals are broken down by citizenship status in the NICIC Table 9 of its 2003 report available at:

http://nicic.org/Misc/URLShell.aspx?SRC ... Btoc03.htm

The offenses are totalled and the breakdown provided for fiscal 2003 as follows:

U.S. citizens - number: 43,529; percentage: 64.8
aliens - number: 23,656; percentage: 35.2

So over 35% of crimes committed in the primary offense categories in fiscal 2003 were committed by aliens. Go figure.

Give it up lefty, you are outclassed.

CrocketG Gone Wild!

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