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    ALIPAC's William Gheen Fights Enrique Morones of Border Angels on National Broadcast

    Your constructive feedback is much appreciated. Please listen and circulate if you think more people should hear this fight on The Alan Colmes Show which is nationally syndicated via Fox radio.

    William Gheen, President of Americans for Legal/Less Immigration PAC Vs. illegal immigration amnesty supporter Enrique Morones founder of Border Angels!

    Do you feel Enrique won the fight? Or did William Gheen? Or was it a stalemate?

    Gheen Vs. Morones On Sanctuary Cities
    Aired July 24, 2015
    http://radio.foxnews.com/2015/07/24/...ctuary-cities/
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    William "Jean" , it was great. You are always prepared with the truth. Enrique, as usual, deflects and fabricates. You are correct that numbers and percentages should not be used to defend the illegal alien population. They are not supposed to be here and any crime they commit, no matter the number, is a crime that should never happen.

    I always enjoy listening to you defend America against illegal immigration.
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    Good job William! That Enrique guy looked like a fool with the nonsense he was spewing! Every time he opened his mouth I wanted to stuff a sock in it. LOL
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    Good points made by Wm despite Alan being obnoxious. His questioning seemed to show he is slanted towards favoring illegals. People are tired of hearing the arguments about immigration, the truth bending etc is annoying and everyone wants to be nice but it is a big problem with dire consequences. It shows a disintegration of our laws and has to be corrected as
    it is very unhealthy for our nation and its citizens in many ways - job loss, lower wages, crime from DUIs to rape to murder, drug trafficking and addiction consequences, social services costs, overpopulation, unchecked diseases and even invasive species brought with or from the journey. Other countries need to be responsible to and for their own citizens not just this continued sneaking into our country showing disrespect for our laws. It is insane to think that everyone should be allowed to immigrate here legally or illegally. Responsible immigration = reasonable amounts. The anchor baby deal needs to stop pronto as most other countries have done.
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    Despite Alan's obvious left leanings, you came across as calm and factual, William. I resent the billions of dollars in taxpayer money and Congressional time that is spent trying to ram amnesty and acceptance of illegals down our throats using every euphemism imaginable. The government is attempting to slowly condition us all to accept it by wearing us down and beginning with the ludicrous, so the still-crazy seems palatable! That ANY American is OK with foreigners invading our country and usurping citizenship boggles my mind. We should not even be having this discussion! Laws are laws, illegal is illegal. I'm SO thankful for Ann Coulter's best seller and Trump''s mouth in bringing illegal immigration to the forefront for the upcoming election. I don't understand how every American cannot see that this issue is the gyro around which most of the most prominent national problems originate or are exacerbated: our unemployment rate, our energy and water shortages, closure of ERs, quality of public schools, SSN/welfare/tax fraud that suck up billions in taxpayer dollars, overcrowding of cities and freeways, stress on infrastructure, overuse of natural resources, etc. etc. American citizens are being used as pawns and wallets in a political corruption that is only now being made obvious to the majority of American people. I don't know how you work so ceaselessly to stop what the government portrays as unstoppable, but I for one appreciate it and support you no end. November 2016 will determine whether this country survives as we know it, or hastens its downward spiral.
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    En-ree-kay's ignorance is stunning. Just another very biased pendecho from the barrio. He should be catapulted into Mexico. Great job and excellent points, Mr. Gheen!

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    Is there by chance a transcript available?
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    Oh boy, Mr. Morones' statements reveal the perceptual, cultural, and value differences that are causing these conflicts and this debate. Mr. Gheen countered Mr. Morones' arguments in a well-organized, concise, and reasonable manner. I taught English to illegal immigrants for 13 yrs. in a majority-illegal immigrant community for 13 yrs., until I couldn't stand watching how low the bar had been lowered legally and socially and retired at the first possible opportunity in June.

    Mr. Morones' argument that, to paraphrase, cities chose to stop turning immigrants over to the INS who were only stopped a few times for drunk driving, for example, is an example of a cultural and safety issue that Mr. Morones doesn't get. You can kill people driving drunk. That's a huge safety issue in our communities, as reflected by local PD weekly notices about checkpoints in L.A. County. What part of "Don't drink and drive!" don't those immigrants get? It's not a small deal. Use of "explosives", as opposed to firecrackers (PD terminology), for weeks around July 4th is another example. They're dangerous, illegal, and disrupt hard-working peoples' sleep and work productivity. The local PD told citizens to notify them of their use. Perpetrators continue to use them when the PD leave.

    Next, the argument that most immigrants are law-abiding is ridiculous and inaccurate, as Mr. Gheen repeatedly explained. Their very presence is illegal; any crime they commit subsequently is icing on the cake. As he stated, the point isn't the percentage of crime committed by illegal immigrants but the fact that it's occurring at all. BTW, I beg to disagree with the statistics in this area of L.A. County. Police published statistics about a huge uptick in crime in this area, particularly in home invasions, burglary, auto theft, etc. Security photos and video released to the media, personal experience, and neighbors' and colleagues' experiences with home invasion and theft reveal that ALL incidents involved Hispanic perpetrators. And I'll bet a lot that a majority of the perpetrators are undocumented. I'd love to see a study.

    In conclusion, Mr. Gheen won this debate with a well-organized argument supported by unemotional reference to facts. Mr. Morones' argument was unsubstantiated, based on his emotional attachment to those to whom he referred. Shame on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patbrunz View Post
    Is there by chance a transcript available?
    That would be great if there were a written copy of the debate/interview.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeach View Post
    That would be great if there were a written copy of the debate/interview.

    Colms probable doesn't want his wacko socialist stuff put down in writing. LOL!
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