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    Quote Originally Posted by JuniusJnr
    I firmly believe that we should NEVER allow ANY party to have the majority of the house or the senate ever again. Vote them all out and start over from scratch.
    I would agree if I thought there was any possibility of uprooting the entrenched parties. As it is for the time being, we have a choice of Socialism and Socialism Lite; Globalism and Globalism Lite. It sucks to be forced to vote based upon which party you think will do the least harm at any point in time rather than actually voting for qualified representatives.

    Hey, if you have a feasible plan, I'm all ears. Pretty soon we're going to reach a point that this government is so screwed up that tearing the whole damned thing down will be the only alternative to indentured servitude to global corporatism. Thank God for Amendment II! At least that keeps the dirtbags afraid enough to keep nibbling 'round the edges rather than swallowing our liberties whole.

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    I will not think of the R's or the D's when I vote....I will think of America and what I think is right for her and her citizens..and for me, illegals and outsourcing is bad for America!

    I will not have people entering our Country and jump right up and demand things....to try their best to convert this Country to Socialism....by getting their "own" elected to an office.....I see what they are doing.

    I will vote for the person that is going to stand up for us, and tell them to take a hike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxd
    Now don't get me wrong I am NOT suggesting that anyone here is cerebrally challenged I am just stating the MOST people can see the scam the Republcans are trying to perpetrate. Most people can understand that there is more to it than a voting record because they play musical votes along with a variety of other games.
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    lol, You're at it again And I thought that our last little chat had helped to bring you to your senses. Geez, I'm disappointed in you, DXD!
    Especially since you know, DXD, you know that this jibberish only serves to drain time from our mission......the ILLEGAL ALIEN mission. Remember?

    Now DXD, can I count on you to roll up the R is Evil mat for awhile? You know, to get back to the issue at hand? When push comes to shove, even if I agreed with you {which I don't but what they hey} this is not the time to discuss this issue. After all, you're putting the cart before the horse again. I like my horse pulling my cart.........smoother ride that way and less chance for silly accidents.
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    I would agree if I thought there was any possibility of uprooting the entrenched parties.
    Finding a way to uproot both major parties is the only chance we have, from my vantage point. Both major parties have proven time and again that if they gain control, they do more harm than good. The republicans whined and whined that they needed to have the majority in order to accomplish anything. We, the voters, gave them that majority.

    Have you seen anything good accomplished? We are at war on two fronts while our own country is being invaded and they sit around arguing over who's to blame. Our resources are being drained to a point where we are borrowing from foreign governments and selling off our own assets to foreigners! We have a Patriot Act so the government can spy on us and call it legal. This is good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuniusJnr
    I would agree if I thought there was any possibility of uprooting the entrenched parties.
    Finding a way to uproot both major parties is the only chance we have, from my vantage point. Both major parties have proven time and again that if they gain control, they do more harm than good. The republicans whined and whined that they needed to have the majority in order to accomplish anything. We, the voters, gave them that majority.

    Have you seen anything good accomplished? We are at war on two fronts while our own country is being invaded and they sit around arguing over who's to blame. Our resources are being drained to a point where we are borrowing from foreign governments and selling off our own assets to foreigners! We have a Patriot Act so the government can spy on us and call it legal. This is good?
    Nope, it's not good at all. Even worse is the hypocrisy of the GOP in (correctly) assailing the first attempt at the Patriot Act, back when it was Clinton's Anti-Terrorism Act, then passing an even more intrusive version of the thing once they regained the White House. It's the absurdity of going from the Contract With America to presiding over a doubling of the federal debt in one decade.

    The problem is that the fix is in. There is literally no way to get a grassroots candidate through the primary process (given that only the parties have primaries) and onto a ballot and then not have him ripped to shreds by the mainstream media that's owned by the same powermongers who are buying and selling the parties' candidates. The only way to regain control of the process is to first dismantle the abomination that has taken its place. But fear is the enemy, and a weapon that those in power know how to wield. They will make the people fear economic calamity. Then they will make them fear terrorists. Then they will make them fear "bigots." Then they will make them fear religion. Then they will make them global warming and avian flu (or some other world-ending malady du jour). And of course, they will claim that the federal government is the only answer, and that weakening the government will surely bring all these calamities and more down upon our heads. What's worse is that the big-time globalists, whose wealth make the sum total of the Fortune 500 look like a collection bowery bums, have the power and influence to make at least a few of these things happen and "confirm" the fears of the trembling masses so that they run for the sheltering skirts of big government. It's the same ploy they used to give away our entire monetary system to a private banking cartel. It's what they used to cajole us into changing our legal status through participation in a grossly fraudulent federal retirement scheme. It's what they have used to systematically divest us of almost every right enumerated in the Bill of Rights. Americans will fall for it again, and then again if necessary.

    I fear that the best we can hope for is something along the lines of the Freestate Project or the Republic of Texas, whereby a relatively small collection of courageous patriots tear themselves from this mockery of a republic and start anew, correcting the few errors of the founders of the United States of America. Maybe their success will eventually lead to a broader awakening of the independent American spirit.

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    I don't know what errors you think the founders made. The problem I see is the liberal view that we have a "Living Constitution". What goes hand and hand with this concept is the selective enforcement of laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyt
    I don't know what errors you think the founders made. The problem I see is the liberal view that we have a "Living Constitution". What goes hand and hand with this concept is the selective enforcement of laws.
    Well, obviously the old fellas were short a few checks and balances or else we wouldn't have ended up where we are. Chiefest among the flaws was lack of credible enforcement of some of the Constitution's provisions. For example, titles of nobility were prohibited (including the title of "Esquire" granted by the Bar), but there was no stipulated punshment for accepting a title from a foreign government. Heck, how many of our leaders and dignitaries have been knighted by England?

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    RE:Now DXD, can I count on you to roll up the R is Evil mat for awhile? You know, to get back to the issue at hand

    I am focused on the issue at hand. A blind man can see that. There is more to how laws are made than a simple voting record (as I pointed out)and it is undeniable that there is a political component to the issue. Therefore my focus is comprehensive as it should be. And in reference to the political component...the closer to election day....the H O T T E R it gets

    andyt,
    May I repectfully remind you that the issue here is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dxd
    2ndAmendsis,
    RE:Now DXD, can I count on you to roll up the R is Evil mat for awhile? You know, to get back to the issue at hand

    I am focused on the issue at hand. A blind man can see that. There is more to how laws are made than a simple voting record (as I pointed out)and it is undeniable that there is a political component to the issue. Therefore my focus is comprehensive as it should be. And in reference to the political component...the closer to election day....the H O T T E R it gets

    andyt,
    May I repectfully remind you that the issue here is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?
    It's pretty darned clear what your "issue at hand" is, and taking andyt to task for going off-topic is simply hysterical!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dxd
    2ndAmendsis,
    RE:Now DXD, can I count on you to roll up the R is Evil mat for awhile? You know, to get back to the issue at hand

    I am focused on the issue at hand. A blind man can see that. There is more to how laws are made than a simple voting record (as I pointed out)and it is undeniable that there is a political component to the issue. Therefore my focus is comprehensive as it should be. And in reference to the political component...the closer to election day....the H O T T E R it gets

    andyt,
    May I repectfully remind you that the issue here is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?
    TSK, TSK DXD.
    Earth to DXD........we're focused on ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION & INVASION here.

    Guess I'm a blind babe and this entire thing just wooshed right over my head, eh?
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