Thread: Broken Promise? Trump Still Hasn’t Ended DACA

The program itself expires in June.

Originally Posted by Judy

The program itself expires in June.

Can you message me a link to some info on that expiration Judy?

W

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

Can you message me a link to some info on that expiration Judy?

W

This info is about as good as anything I have found yet.

How DACA Will End: A Timeline of Expiration

Dreamers' Applications Being Processed Normally

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

Can you message me a link to some info on that expiration Judy?

W

Hi William, it was from a Sean Spicer press conference awhile back, I think in February. At the press conference, when Sean Spicer was asked about DACA, he said the current thinking is we'll just let it expire in June. And that's the last specific thing the White House has said about it.

The original DACA 2012 was established in June of 2012 by a Memo Directive by Janet Napolitano in response to a request from Congress during DHS appropriations concerning "prioritization of resources". Two years later, Obama tried by Executive Order to expand DACA to include a lot more people and create DAPA in 2014. Those are the 2 actions that the 26 states sued over, that Judge Hanen halted with an injunction.

In every speech Trump ever made that I heard, and I heard a lot of 'em, missed very few, Trump only talked about ending the TWO unconstitutional executive orders issued by Barack Obama that the courts stopped through an injunction. Those TWO are the two orders by Obama through E. O. issued in 2014, not the one established by Napolitano in 2012 in a response to Congress during appropriations for DHS.

So whatever expires in June, the last official White House statement made on the topic of DACA was "the thinking is to let it expire in June."

It's entirely possible that Trump doesn't even know about the DACA 2012 and thinks everyone is talking about the two programs he promised to end which are the 2 Obama E. O. on DACA Expansion and DAPA in 2014. I'm not even sure Kelly knows the difference at this point. Jeff Sessions would know the difference. Sessions would also know if the DACA 2012 expires in June or if just the two Obama E. O. from 2014 expire in June.

In every statement, Trump spoke only about the 2 unconstitutional Executive Orders of Barack Obama that the courts stopped.

Trump never actually promised to stop DACA 2012, because that was a MEMO Directive by Secretary of DHS, not Barack Obama with an Executive Order. DACA 2012 was in response to Congress during Appropriations process, not something Obama came up with.

There are 3 programs, not just the 2 that Trump spoke about and promised to end during the campaign that were challenged in court and stopped by a judge. The third one is the DACA 2012 that was required by Congress. I'm not sure how you end that without jeopardizing your appropriation for DHS.

I've posted all about this issue for 3 months. There are 3 programs. Trump promised to end 2 attempted in 2014 that were stopped by the states and the court. The one he didn't promise to end is the one we're talking about that was established to appease Congress in 2012. It seems to me that the burden to undo that one is with the US Congress since they are the ones who required it during DHS Appropriations to establish "prioritization of resources".

So, I don't know what the plan is other than what Sean Spicer said about "letting it expire in June".

Judy wrote (excerpt):

It's entirely possible that Trump doesn't even know about the DACA 2012 and thinks everyone is talking about the two programs he promised to end which are the 2 Obama E. O. on DACA Expansion and DAPA in 2014. I'm not even sure Kelly knows the difference at this point. Jeff Sessions would know the difference. Sessions would also know if the DACA 2012 expires in June or if just the two Obama E. O. from 2014 expire in June.

In every statement, Trump spoke only about the 2 unconstitutional Executive Orders of Barack Obama that the courts stopped.

Trump never actually promised to stop DACA 2012, because that was a MEMO Directive by Secretary of DHS, not Barack Obama with an Executive Order. DACA 2012 was in response to Congress during Appropriations process, not something Obama came up with.

Please don't continue to insult our intelligence. Everyone but you seems to know that Trump promised to end DACA immediately. He didn't need to follow the word DACA with "2012" because most of us, he, and every single anti-illegal immigration organization knew exactly what he was talking about. Attempting to obfuscate the issue by trying to muddy the waters with what you 'think' Trump was 'thinking' is not helpful. He said he would immediately end DACA. The courts already took care of the "DACA Expansion" and "DAPA" for him.

Check out this article AND THE COMMENTS:

Trump Administration Signals No Immediate Reversal On Dreamer Program

Suit yourself, MW. It doesn't matter to me. I can count to 3. And when someone promises to end "two", that's not "three", that's "two". Simple math and a law of the universe. And when someone promises to end the "two" "Obama Executive Orders" "stopped by the Judge", that's the "two Obama Executive Orders stopped by the Judge", not a Memo Directive by Janet Napolitano. Those aren't the same things in our language. They are different things in our language.

Originally Posted by Judy

Suit yourself, MW. It doesn't matter to me. I can count to 3. And when someone promises to end "two", that's not "three", that's "two". Simple math and a law of the universe. And when someone promises to end the "two" "Obama Executive Orders" "stopped by the Judge", that's the "two Obama Executive Orders stopped by the Judge", not a Memo Directive by Janet Napolitano. Those aren't the same things in our language. They are different things in our language.

Don't you think it's rather odd that you're the only one that thinks Trump didn't promise to end DACA immediately?

http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2017/...utely-nothing/

http://redrightrepublic.com/republic...ets-sue-trump/

https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/were...ulfill-promise

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0780bac2c585f

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...s-daca-amnesty

http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/30/an...es-on-promise/

http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.co...llegals/184756

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...124-story.html

http://www.jacksonsun.com/story/opin...daca/97133560/

http://trueviralnews.com/an-estimate...es-on-promise/

The list goes on and on. Obviously when Trump made the promise he thought it was an executive order, not a directive. That confusion on his part does not change the fact that he promised to end DACA immediately!

No, it's not odd at all. It's correct. It's what he said at every one of the many rallies I watched on YouTube. It was TWO Executive Orders issued by Obama that were stopped by the Judge. Every single time. There were TWO Executive Orders in 2014 issued by Obama that were "unconstitutional" and stopped by the Judge. Those are the ones Trump promised to end day one. Since they are already "ended" with an injunction by the Judge, there is really nothing for him to do.

I have no explanation for why people want to overlook this simple recorded fact of Trump's actual promises and claim a promise was broken that was never made to begin with.

My suggestion is if you would like for someone in this administration to do something about a THIRD program, you might ask, lobby, inform, and demand Sessions and Kelly revoke the MEMO Directive of Janet Napolitano that established that DACA program in June of 2012. You certainly don't need a President to do that. They are the Cabinet members with the legal authority and responsibility for it.