Thread: Bundy Ranch Standoff is “Becoming the Last Straw” With This Admin & Big Government

Lucy Steigerwald,
Rare Contributor
April 16, 2014

Half the folks predicting that Bundy Ranch would become a new locational shorthand for federal and fringe standoffs and bloodshed were waiting for their worst fears about the government to come true.

The other half were waiting for Maddow and her ilk to be able to crow, I told you so! Look at these violent, gun-toting kooks!

Cliven Bundy reminds us to keep putting cameras on law enforcement

On April 12, Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy won the battle, if not the war, to keep his cattle and keep them illegally grazing on federal land. In the face of angry militia members and Tea Partiers, the armed Bureau of Land Management agents stood down, and even returned the cattle they had begun to collect from Bundy, who denies the legitimacy of federal authority.

Bundy’s family tasted victory. But as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, whose district is Nevada, put it “We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over.”

All through the week, as the standoff became national news, the media wrung its hands over whether the temperamental Bundy and the frustrated feds might clash and turn into another Waco. April 19 will be 21 years since the fire that ended the standoff between followers of the sect leader David Koresh and federal authorities who had spent the entire day pumping CS gas into the the Branch Davidians’ home. That, plus the previous year’s disaster at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, became the two signs of the “90s right-wingers” fears come true.

When Timothy McVeigh blew up the Murrah Building two years later, he didn’t just kill 168 people in Oklahoma City, he also overshadowed the tragedies he had foolishly hoped to avenge. Now mainstream leftists like Rachel Maddow or the makers of CNN’s shockingly one-sided documentary on Waco from 2013 need only mention the latter or Ruby Ridge to imply some kind of menacing militia ties among folks still angry about the events.

Half the folks predicting that Bundy Ranch would become a new locational shorthand for federal and fringe standoffs and bloodshed were waiting for their worst fears about the government to come true. The other half were waiting for Maddow and her ilk to be able to crow, I told you so! Look at these violent, gun-toting kooks!

Bundy, in short, is playing a dangerous game that he may win if only because too many cameras can now be turned onto the BLM agents and other folks. By contrast, in Waco the press was kept more than a mile away from the action.

Bundy might be wrong about federalism. But in a country where nearly half the West is owned by the feds, and 87 percent of Nevada is as well, it seems like he might have a good policy point at the end of the day — and damn the endangered tortoises.

In terms of cable news drama, though, there is another reason to cautiously support him. Bundy’s family is testing the restraint of a government that badly needs reminding that it is works for us, not the other way around.

Slate’s Jamelle Bouie recently raised the reasonable point that some supporters of Bundy may not be as keen on him if he were a radical, gun-toting minority, or, say, a member of the black radical leftist group MOVE, But the question must be asked, even if he were, would Bouie not assume the feds or police were in the right?

Liberals who broadly brush over Waco anger as the same thing as McVeigh sympathies, or right wingers who use it as a battle cry but have never heard of MOVE are not an excuse for either incident. Bouie might be right about some hypocrisy among Bundy supporters, but that is all the more reason to keep consistent principle.

Does Bouie know — as many lefties don’t seem to, since it’s now a right winger’s cause — that the Branch Davidians were not “white separatists” and in fact nearly half of them were black? Does he rally around the Black Panthers and their gun-toting protests of the ‘60s, or is that too hardcore?

And that’s the point about Bundy — which is the same point about David Koresh’s crew, Randy Weaver’s family at Ruby Ridge, and MOVE — the fringe is fringey for a reason, and not always a good one, even for supporters of small or no government. Still, one needn’t support the cultism and child molestation-tolerance of the Davidians, the apocalyptic racism of the Weavers’ Christian Identity religion, or the left and loud radicalism of MOVE to support, well, not law enforcement.

Footage from last week of Bundy’s supporters screaming at and antagonizing BLM agents is strongly reminiscent of Occupy Wall Street or other leftist protests you could mention. Depending on the cause, and depending on whether the protesters are armed, the right and the left do not look so different once they start pushing back against authorities.

Reasonable people do not protest with guns. Reasonable people always disperse or put their hands up when law enforcement demands it. To be reasonable. Bundy should have paid his grazing fees twenty year ago and been done with it. He certainly shouldn’t have declared the beginnings of a “range war.”

And if Randy Weaver had been a sensible man, he would have gone to court on his firearm charges and not lost his wife and son to an FBI sniper and a U.S. Marshal respectively. Certainly, David Koresh could have saved his followers by going outside Mt. Carmel and turning himself in to the ATF or FBI.

That knowledge doesn’t diminish the fact that the federal authorities in those cases at best completely and utterly fell down on the job they should have — to diffuse violence, and to even risk their own lives to make sure situations stay peaceful. The weird politics and religiosity of the groups does not diminish the tragedy of their deaths, contrary to what the Rachel Maddows of the world imply.
Whether Bundy is entirely in the right is not the point. The rule of law is very well and good, but it doesn’t end the conversation about environmentalism, land rights or the long arm of the feds.

All of us should, if not support the Weavers or the Bundys, or the MOVErs and Occupiers, consider what happens to most people who resist law enforcement and consider keeping a closer eye on these folks who task themselves with keeping the rest of us in line.

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Harry Reid Calls Cliven Bundy Supporters “Domestic Terrorists”

“I repeat: what happened there was domestic terrorism”

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
April 17, 2014

Senator Harry Reid has escalated the war of words over the Cliven Bundy dispute, sensationally labeling the Nevada cattle rancher’s supporters “domestic terrorists” during an event in Las Vegas today.

Image: Harry Reid (YouTube).

During a ‘Hashtags & Headlines’ event at the Paris Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas, Reid referred to Bundy supporters as “Nothing more than domestic terrorists,” adding, “I repeat: what happened there was domestic terrorism.”

Reid was referring to the stand off on Saturday in Bunkerville where Bundy supporters, some of whom were armed, forced Bureau of Land Management agents to back down and release around 380 head of cattle belonging to Bundy that had been seized over the course of the previous week.

Reid claimed that Bundy viewed the United States as a “foreign government,” while accusing his supporters of goading violence.

“There were hundreds, hundreds of people from around the country that came there,” Reid said. “They had sniper rifles in the freeway. They had weapons, automatic weapons. They had children lined up. They wanted to make sure they got hurt first … What if others tried the same thing?”

Despite Reid’s characterization of Bundy supporters as “domestic terrorists,” the only violence metered out during the dispute was when BLM agents tasered and assaulted Bundy supporters during an incident on April 9.

No matter where you stand on the Bundy issue, Reid’s characterization of American protesters as “domestic terrorists” is chilling and a massive backlash is almost certain to follow.

It also fits the narrative that the federal government has been pushing for years through literature such as the MIAC report, which framed Ron Paul supporters, libertarians, people who display bumper stickers, people who own gold, or even people who fly a U.S. flag, as potential terrorists. In 2012, a Homeland Security study was leaked which characterized Americans who are “suspicious of centralized federal authority,” and “reverent of individual liberty” as “extreme right-wing” terrorists.

Reid attracted controversy earlier this week when he promised that the BLM’s fight with Bundy was “not over”. The Nevada Senator was hit with accusations of cronyism after his former staffer Neil Kornze was confirmed as the new BLM director earlier this month.

Reid is obviously angry after his complicity in the siege against the Bundy family was exposed and became a viral story. Although many news outlets claimed this issue was “debunked,” Reid’s involvement in a solar farm just 35 miles from Bundy’s ranch is documented. Archived files from the BLM’s own website confirm that confiscating Bundy’s cattle was necessary in order to clear the way for lucrative solar deals with transnational corporations.

Meanwhile, the BLM has admitted slaughtering two prize bulls belonging to Cliven Bundy during their round up of his cattle. The BLM claims the bulls “posed a safety hazard” but refused to elaborate. Bundy supporters have pointed to photographs which appear to show one of the bulls having suffered a gunshot wound.

Watch the historic stand off between Bundy supporters and BLM feds below.

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thats funny; I see it as a Government ran Racketeering Operation

After Harry Reid’s Threats Bundy Ranch Now Surrounded by Heavily Armed Guards as Talk of Federal Raid Picks Up

Posted on Thursday, April 17th, 2014 at 4:52 pm.
by: Benjamin Franklin

Earlier we published news about a Sheriff claiming a massive federal raid on the Bundy Ranch in Nevada is imminent. The Sheriff even says the raid could possibly include violence as the fed was not likely to initiate a scenario it is not prepared to win. Especially not after the humiliating defeat suffered by the BLM as it was forced to retreat last Saturday.

The Bundy Ranch will not be caught off guard, though, as news reports make it clear the property is now prepared with heavily armed security.

Local rancher Cliven Bundy may have his cattle back, but his supporters say they are still preparing for an imminent threat.
Militia groups from all over the country say they are flocking to the Bundy ranch to protect the family from a feared federal government raid.
The Bureau of Land Management allowed Bundy to release his cattle Saturday, after they felt threatened.
Bundy now has a whole contingent of armed guards surrounding him 24 hours a day.
“They’re just there, trying to make sure something crazy doesn’t happen to him,” Bundy’s son Ammon Bundy said.
His security detail and family feel he is someone to be protected because of what the federal government could do.
“There were snipers on the hills and armed guards and you know, military forces with cameras all over.” Ammon Bundy said.
Cliven Bundy fears that the government could gather up again because they never reached a formal deal.
He is also trying to determine whether federal agents damaged any of his cattle before they released them.
The BLM only allowed the family to open up the gate of the pen where the animals were being held because officers were afraid of violence. As of now, no one has cleared him to take back his cattle for good.
Taking the stage to address supporters Monday, Bundy was quickly obscured behind his guards. The detail told 8 News NOW they are now patrolling the area 24 hours a day looking for federal snipers.
“You never know, you never know,” Ammon Bundy said.

Meanwhile, we’re seeing reports the BLM has NOT returned all of Bundy’s cattle, even though they said this would happen. Bundy is still missing roughly 100 of his cattle and the BLM has yet to explain where the cattle are.

Senator Harry Reid, who has major interests in nearby land as he negotiates with the Chinese to develop green energy on Nevada soil, has created even more tension by publicly declaring the feds will be back. The fed is indeed looking more and more likely to return, but the Bundy Ranch is more and more likely to be much better prepared.
At this point an armed fed initiated raid could prove incredibly dangerous and would put numerous American lives at risk. Time will tell if the government is willing to provoke the situation into one of possible violence and unnecessary lethal action.

http://www.libertynews.com/2014/04/b...raid-picks-up/


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Reid: Bundy Supporters Are “Domestic Terrorists”

Supporters of Bunkerville rancher Cliven Bundy have been called domestic terrorists by Senator Harry Reid

April 17, 2014 1:57 PM






(LAS VEGAS, KXNT)–Supporters of Bunkerville rancher Cliven Bundy have been called domestic terrorists by Senator Harry Reid.

He made the comments during an appearance at a Review-Journal event, and repeated them, saying “what happened there was domestic terrorism’

The government says Bundy owes more than a million dollars in grazing fees and fines stemming from a 20-year dispute over trespass cattle. After obtaining court orders and beginning a roundup of cattle more than a week ago, BLM backed down, called off the roundup, and returned the cattle, after armed supporters of Bundy converged on the area.

Reid says Bundy is a law breaker. He says he will not second-guess the BLM decision to call off its round-up under a threat of potential violence, but that he says Bundy is wrong.


http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04...ic-terrorists/

The vilification of the Bundy family is in full force now by the mainstream media who are trying to paint Bundy as a law breaker, tax evader and label him as part of the Sovereign Citizen Movement, a hot button label that effectively puts a bounty on his head as a terrorist as far as law enforcement is concerned.
What are the legal issues here? How do we get control of bureaucracies like the ‪#‎BLM‬ that can put anyone out of business with their regulations and are willing to use lethal force against those who don't follow their orders?

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Bundy Ranch Saga Helps Expose Communist Chinese Land Grab

Just the tip of the iceberg?

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Harry Reid: Don't worry I'm working with the Chinese Govt to get rid of them Right Wing Ranchers...



Harry Reid: Don't worry I'm working with the Chinese Govt to get rid of them Right Wing Ranchers...

By Amy Bobbit

They don’t call him Dirty Harry for nothing. The Bureau of Land Management, whose Director was Sen. Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) former senior...

BLM: We are Worried Cliven Bundy Might Have Prescriptive Rights & He Might Use that Defense in Court

Ben Swann April 16, 2014
564 Comments

In this ongoing story surrounding cattle rancher Cliven Bundy, there are a series of questions media has ignored. For instance, in the 20 years Bundy hasn't been paying his fees, why hasn't he been taken to court? Why this year, spend nearly $1,000,000 of taxpayer money to round up 400 cattle that ultimately have to be returned? Why didn't the BLM just place a lien on the cattle rather than attempting to take them by force and then auction them off? The Bureau of Land Management has suffered a huge black eye this week because of their response to the Bundy situation. Perhaps though, there is a reason the BLM chose force over the courts.
In an exclusive interview with Benswann.com, Montana cattle rancher Todd Devlin says the BLM is now considering new ways of dealing with the Cliven Bundy situation. Devlin is not just a Montana cattle rancher, but is also a County Commissioner in Prairie County Montana. He has also worked with the Department of Interior, having taught workshops for the agency in the past. Monday, Devlin reached out to his contacts in the Department of the Interior to find out why the Bureau of Land Management has refused to work with Bundy rather than simply attempting to run over him.
Among the questions Devlin asked of the BLM, "Is it possible that this guy (Cliven Bundy) has prescriptive rights?" The response from top officials at the BLM, "We are worried that he might, and he might use that defense."
So what exactly are prescriptive rights? Prescriptive right to property is an easement that gives some one the right to use land owned by someone else for a particular purpose. An example is using a path through Party A's land to get to your land; a prescriptive easement is allowed which gives the user the right to get to his land through A's property.
In most states, if a trespass or use of land occurs regularly for at least 5 years without the "owner" of the land taking legal action, prescriptive rights come into play. Because Bundy stopped paying his grazing fees to the BLM in 1993, but continued to use the land for over 20 years, it is possible he now has prescriptive rights to the land. That might explain why the BLM has not taken this issue to court and never bothered to file a lien against the cattle.
Granted, there have been court actions over the years. In 1998, a federal judge issued a permanent injunction against Bundy, ordering him to remove his cattle from the federal lands. He lost an appeal to the San Francisco 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Yet, the "trespass cattle" remained on the BLM land. In fact, it took until August of 2013 for a court order to be issued saying Bundy had 45 days to remove his cattle from federal land. 15 years went by from the time of the last court case over the cattle until the BLM attempted to remove the livestock.
Of course, Bundy has not made the claim that he will not pay the fees, he simply says he will not pay those fees to the BLM because he doesn't recognize federal authority over the land. Bundy has said that in the past that he would pay fees to Clarke County, Nevada, though Clarke County has refused to accept them. The BLM has insisted that Bundy owes $1.1 million dollars in grazing fees for his trespass cattle.
"The actual number is probably around $200,000. The $1.1 million claimed by the BLM is probably mostly interest and penalties for trespass cattle." says Devlin, who goes on to say that it is unlikely that Clarke County would be able to collect those penalties.
When Devlin reached out to the BLM, he suggested that the federal agency just allow Bundy to pay the fees to the county rather than continuing with these aggressive tactics to confiscate his cattle.
"Why don't you just let him pay them there (Clarke County)? I got a call back from the liaison saying 'Yes, pursue it.'" Devlin reached out to contacts in Nevada to get that process moving forward. If that were to happen, Clarke County could collect the grazing fees and if it desired to do so could hand those fees over to the BLM.
Finally, Devlin says instead of allowing the situation with Bundy's cattle to grow completely out of control, the BLM could have simply placed a lien on the cattle in the first place. Of course, that lien might have been rejected in court if Bundy were able to demonstrate those prescriptive rights. Then again, the courts so far have sided with the government; therefore, it is even more baffling why the lien wasn't placed on the livestock.
Days after the BLM has claimed they will stand down, they are now reportedly considering a lien on the cattle,
"I asked why you didn't put a lien against the cattle?" Devlin asked the BLM. "They hadn't thought about that, but they are considering it now."

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Harry Reid’s View on Terrorists Explained in One Cartoon

By Kira Davis
21 hours ago

Political cartoonist A.F. Branco has perfectly captured Harry Reid’s sad views on what really constitutes a terrorist.



As an American who believes vehemently in our Constitution, free speech and free political discourse I find Reid’s comments both ridiculous and hurtful.

Do you think its a coincidence that Reid wants to sell Cliven Bundy’s land to the Chinese and is simultaneously labeling those whom have come to the rancher’s defense “terrorists”?

H/T Comically Incorrect


http://www.ijreview.com/2014/04/1309...d-one-cartoon/

Harry Reid’s Facebook Page Just Got Obliterated…

This is generally what happens when you walk over Americans' freedom...

B. CHRISTOPHER AGEE — APRIL 17, 2014


Despite reported efforts to silence conservative viewpoints, social media sites like Facebook remain the most accessible forum through which the public can express its views. Developments regarding the Bundy Ranch situation, for instance, have been shared extensively by users despite the fact that many mainstream media sources have largely ignored the story.
Nevada Sen. Harry Reid, who some reports suggest has a financial interest in the Bureau of Land Management’s action against the Bundys, recently indicated that the situation is “not over,” leading many to prepare for a federal raid on the historic ranch. In response to the announcement, patriots on Facebook proved they are not only capable of using the site to spread important news; they also provide plenty of pointed criticism of those they feel deserve it.



Reid’s official Facebook page, filled with the traditional fare – i.e., self-congratulatory fluff – of a career politico, has been bombarded by detractors over the past few days. While such divisive candidates are always subject to ridicule, the level of disdain shown recently in regard to the Bundy Ranch situation provides a telling insight into the prevailing public sentiment.
Taking just one recent Reid post as a case in point, the overwhelming majority of hundreds of comments that followed are from unmistakably outraged citizens. Many concede that Facebook is about the only forum through which their concerns will find an audience.
Facebook/Harry Reid

Some of the comments offer a pithy take on Reid’s policies:
Facebook/Harry Reid


Facebook/Harry Reid

Others are decidedly more in-depth analyses:
Facebook/Harry Reid

Many of the responses include predictions for his political future – along with others who seem to put personal aspirations above their sworn oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution.
Facebook/Harry Reid


Try as he might to steer the conversation away from the continuing controversy, it is clear that a significant group of advocates is determined to hold him accountable for his position. The backlash was not contained to Facebook. Twitter has been inundated with similarly scathing comments like this one:
Photo Credit: Facebook/Dump Harry Reid

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