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    Forgot to mention;

    Crocket, you are absolutely correct about the choices being bad or worse. In my IL district we have known traitors running un-opposed in many races and all we can do is leave the field blank next to the name.

    Two work FOR mexico and the others wish they could. We have a bumper crop of traitors to deal with.
    "There's no such thing as ILLEGALalien-able rights!" REGRESO E MEXICO !

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    Bush and his other crooked cronies have singlehandedly destroyed the USA. Of course, let's not let the Demo's off the hook, because they're ready to turn the country over to the Chamber of Commerce and Walmart as well.

    Time to get rid of all the bumbs and let the people take over their government again.

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    dman,
    You're a 100% right and it makes me sick to my stomach. When I see Bush's face on the television I want to throw a brick at it.
    In my state we have Santorum who has mostly supported our issue behind in the polls due mainly to this blooming idiot.
    If the Dems do get in there, the one thing I hope they do for us is impeach the moron.
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    If the Dems do get in there, the one thing I hope they do for us is impeach the moron.
    They won't. I've already given up on that. Even Peloser said she won't persue it and why should they. Leave Bush in for 2 more years to finish off what's left of the Republicrat party and in comes Hitlery Clinton to finish off the country for good.

    Bush does more for the Dems then Bill Clinton could hope and dream of. The Dems only pretend to hate him, but behind closed doors they probably are throwing a party because they know they can get this guy to cave in on every issue not named Iraq under the sun. In fact most of these same Dems voted to go to war with Iraq so they can spare me on their fake outrage.

    That does
    not mean I am not an old school liberal dem who admires FDR.
    Those days are long gone. I was never a big fan of FDR, but he's a million miles better than these spineless jellyfish communists that have infiltrated his party back in the 60's to the present. Zell Miller was the last of that breed.

    So ignore this post if you like & accept my help & what little
    I can contribute, but don't piss me off like a lot of my repub
    friends & tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. Seems
    that arrogance got you Junior & Che Gonzales.
    Not sure if you were talking to me pacifically, but if you were could you please elaborate on this because I'm kinda of confused. I've seen you post many a times and never had an issue with you once, at least none that I could remember. BTW I did vote for Jorge back in 2000 and I've regretted it many a times since, but no way could I vote for the altnerative. I'd rather not vote at all then to put a commie like Gore or Kerry in. I voted third party back in 2004 for what it's worth.

    I understand your frustration and agree with much of what you say, but I think this is stretching it:

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    I'd rather listen to Clinton then listen to this clown.
    No, not a stretch at all. I hate Clinton with a passion, but what I said is not an endorsement of Clinton at all, but listening to Bush talk is like going through a migrane while getting root canal work done at the same time. I can't stand to hear him speak. He makes America seem like an arrogant and dumb nation, it's embarrassing.
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    LOL, you are correct in that this is not a left/right issue.

    however, if one looks back thru history, one will find that the Libs were and are in large part why this ILLEGAL problem has gotten to this point.
    That is the very thing that confuses me with my lib friends.
    How can one side-step the fact that the "social services/ FDR-Johnson cradle to grave" crap has caused our country to fall so far in only a few generations? The libs have greatly helped to force the educational system to cave to the UN/International goals.....to homogonize our children for their future "we are the world" vision.

    NOTE: I am by no means letting the repubs off the hook one fraction!
    Both sides are greedy and their self interests are the same...Globalism.
    The only thing that sets them apart are their methods of obtaining power and which side will gain the power.

    The facts are there for the looking. Truth is truth.

    Now we stand together and that is a positive thing. But when all is said and done we must come to the understanding that we can no longer give away the store and EXPECT to grow "creators & doers" from the next generations. It flies against human nature.

    my 2 cents

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    Just as I have been preaching:

    Bush will get his beloved amnesty in the Dems take the House

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=17769

    Bush will get his beloved amnesty in the Dems take the House

    by Mac Johnson
    Posted Oct 31, 2006

    Although the basic philosophy of conservatism is optimistic (a belief in the individual’s ability to succeed if left alone by government is at the core of the movement, after all), conservatives tend to be chronically depressed when it comes to politics and elections.

    Not only does government seem to grow ad nauseum with each passing year (especially under Democrats or George Bush), but a healthy touch of pessimism is a natural consequence of responsibility. Imagining what can go wrong is how responsible adults plan for the future. And conservatives are, disproportionately, among the responsible part of the population—responsible for paying the taxes, fighting the wars, raising the children, and running the businesses.

    So it is not surprising that conservatives have a tendency to see the worst in every political event. This means that oftentimes conservatives completely overlook when they have actually won a major victory—concentrating instead on spotting the next potential defeat. This is what has occurred regarding the battle over illegal immigration and amnesty this past year.

    At the beginning of 2006, the constellations were in perfect alignment for the forces of open borders and amnesty. Ready to push for amnesty—and the next flood of illegal alien interlopers it would bring- was the mainstream media, nearly all Congressional Democrats, President Bush and Karl Rove, John McCain and much of the Senate leadership of the GOP, the Wall Street Journal Editorial Page and its disciples, sellout union “leaders,” corrupt corporations, every ethnic grievance group in the country, a number of imbecile bishops, academia, the rabid moonbat left, 20 million street-storming illegal aliens, and every weenie in America afraid of being called a racist.

    All amnesty opponents had going for them was the wishes of a majority of the American people and the rank-and-file Republicans in Congress. And yet amnesty was defeated in a spectacular fashion. Many conservatives, who were angry that the victory had to be achieved over the political carcasses of our own President and Senate leaders, did not appreciate the scale and significance of this victory at the time. An army that has to mutiny just to be able to fight the enemy is inherently demoralized by that fact.

    Given such circumstances, it’s easy to resort to jaded and safe clichés such as “there’s no difference between the two parties.” But the simple fact is there’s a huge difference between the parties on the amnesty issue: Republicans are divided over it, with most opposing amnesty. For Democrats there is no such division—they wholeheartedly support amnesty.

    H.R. 4437, the bill establishing increased border security efforts and rejecting amnesty, was supported by 203 of 231 (88%) Republicans in the House—only 17 voted against it. By contrast, only 36 Democrats (18%) voted for the bill, 164 voted against it, hoping to pass an amnesty instead. In the Senate, the only opposition to amnesty came from Republicans—60% of them opposed it. 93% of Senate Democrats supported amnesty.

    That’s the choice this election presents for opponents of open borders: support the Republicans that rose up against their leadership to oppose amnesty, or support the Democrats who will gleefully pass an amnesty just as soon as they are sworn in and able.

    And here’s the real kicker: booting Republicans from control of the House to punish George Bush and John McCain for their ludicrous border policies will have the ironic effect of ensuring they finally get the amnesty they want. If Democrats win big next week, the Senate will resurrect their amnesty bill, a Democrat controlled House will pass it, and there can be no doubt that President George W. Bush will sign it with far more fanfare and enthusiasm than he displayed when he signed the bill initiating construction of 700 miles of border fence—a bill that Republican Congressman forced on him in response to voter pressure.

    In short, voting Democrat, or not voting at all, merely amounts to cutting off our Tancredo to spite our Bush. It would be throwing away the tremendous victory we have won this year and, worse, set in motion a tsunami of increased illegal immigration.

    Today’s illegal immigration problem is a direct result of the 1986 amnesty. Far from “solving” the relatively small illegal alien problem America had then (3 million), it made the problem far, far worse by sending the message out to all the world that the secret to a better life in America was to just get here: sneak in, lie your way in, buy your way in, but just get here and we will let you stay, forgive you, and eventually make you a citizen.

    And the world heard the message. Today the population of immigration criminals hiding in America waiting for the next amnesty is 12 million to 20 million. We cannot afford another such amnesty solution. The only way to undo the damage of the 1986 amnesty is to put aside talk of new amnesties or guest worker scams and begin to vigorously enforce the laws on immigration.

    In the long term, illegal immigration may be the biggest threat facing the United States. Americans are only 5% of the world’s population. If the borders are thrown completely open by another amnesty, we face the very real prospect of being made a minority in what used to be our country.

    If, as a voter, you are concerned about illegal immigration and border security, then a Republican Congress is currently the best insurance policy you can buy—not just against Democrats in Congress, but against the Republican in the White House as well.

    The next battle for our borders occurs Tuesday, November 7, at a polling place near you. Vote. Or you can spend the day in Spanish class.
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    dman,

    No issue at all with what you said. I know most people here are
    repubs and respect that. Also respect their willingness to disagree
    with the party. I just didn't want a lot of lectures about how stupid
    liberals are, etc. etc. I come here to get good ideas & encouragement
    & get it a-plenty. So no basic args, I just wanted people to know dems
    do read these boards. I really think a lot of dems can be woken up
    if they get the info, but Junior is doing nothing for you guys there.
    My mom probably agrees with 80% of the repub agenda, but she
    would never come within 1000 miles of party with GWB in it.

    2ndamendis,

    We'll have to hash out the whole post-war thing some other
    day after we save the country

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    Well my 85 year old Mom who would never vote Republican unless a gun was pointed at her, is going to vote against any incumbant regardless of party affiliation. She wishes in her own little way, to send a message to both parties that this Congress and Senate has been the worst in history; and we will all cross party lines to make some major changes in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dem4labor
    dman,

    No issue at all with what you said. I know most people here are
    repubs and respect that. Also respect their willingness to disagree
    with the party. I just didn't want a lot of lectures about how stupid
    liberals are, etc. etc. I come here to get good ideas & encouragement
    & get it a-plenty. So no basic args, I just wanted people to know dems
    do read these boards. I really think a lot of dems can be woken up
    if they get the info, but Junior is doing nothing for you guys there.
    My mom probably agrees with 80% of the repub agenda, but she
    would never come within 1000 miles of party with GWB in it.

    2ndamendis,

    We'll have to hash out the whole post-war thing some other
    day after we save the country
    Gotcha!

    It's not my intention to make this a liberal vs conservative issue. What we are up against aren't liberals or conservatives, but more like socialists, communists and corporate facists. Liberal is suppose to mean open minded, but these people that we are up against are the furthest from being open minded. It's either their way or the highway.

    It's an American issue. Like you are saying we have to all put our petty issues aside and take our country back.
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    George Bush has done a lot of damage to the Republican Party because they promoted a dictator all the way to the White House. People look to the President and they pass judgement on the party he represents based on his preformance.

    In this case, Geroge is a stand alone Republican that actually acts more like a Democrat. He is going down in history as one of the worst presidents! I'm betting he makes the top 5.

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