Thread: Is Bush Overreaching?

Originally Posted by MustangJo

9/11 has been such a convenient crutch to set him up as dictator...the congress better wakey wakey...I have heard some congressional grumblings that Bush is usurping their constitutionally delegated powers and accruing them to the presidency...a little trick that the Supreme Court pulled about fifty years ago...

Power....power...who's got the power!!

MJ

Aint that the truth! Congress has been awake. Thats the problem. They have let this illegal immigration problem grow into a massive invasion. Of course its hard to turn it all around now. And I heard there is fighting going on between them all. There is no such thing as a quick fix at this stage in the game. And bribing, or trying to make it up the American people who are now irate as hell, by considering putting military on the border, is not going to help. THERE WILL BE NO COMPROMISES, EVER! HR4437 ENFORCEMENT ONLY IS ALL WE WILL ACCEPT!!!

Hi Folks,

Happy Mothers' Day to all mothers out there!

Mustang Jo and butterbean are right!

WE must remind them of how to accomplish enforcement. Point being that American citizens are able to figure it out...why can't they! And that we are aware.....

Why don't we all email/fax our lawbreakers offices today (for our children's and grandchildren's sake) with William's beautifully written article. I copied it here, cause, oh gee, I don't think my Senator's offices would follow a link! :

How to Reverse Illegal Immigration in America
by William Gheen

President of Americans for Legal Immigration PAC ALIPAC
3/16/2006

Illegal immigration in the United States, can never be fully stopped; however it can be reversed. We can greatly reduce the number of aliens that attempt to enter America illegally, by reversing this flow with remedies that already exist in United States Law. There is a large consensus of support from the American citizenry for the implementation of these remedies to illegal immigration.

Topics: illegal immigration, Guest Worker Program, amnesty, Congress, Senate, legislation, laws, Americans, security

Unfortunately, there is a state of non-enforcement of laws , made possible by politicians, greedy corporations, and racially motivated industries that represent less than 10% of the US population, yet wield a great deal of power and influence.

Simply put, America needs to enforce existing laws. Political and media pundits are constantly expounding upon our need to send the right messages to terrorists. Why is it then that many of those same pundits send the wrong message to illegal aliens?

Only by reversing the flow of illegal aliens can we lower pressure on the border. The message we need to send? That America is not open, accommodating, or receptive to those the disrespect our laws and citizenry by entering as illegal aliens. The best messengers to carry this news will be millions of illegal aliens returning to their legal homes, to the nations they are citizens of.

Those that favor open borders and unrestricted immigration into America are constantly offering false dichotomies. They say "Well, do you want to secure the border or focus on interior enforcement?" or "Why are you not focusing on fining employers that hire illegal aliens?" The truth is that we should and must do all of the above. These same apologists for illegal aliens are the same political forces that are sending the message "Come to America and we will not enforce our laws. In fact, we will simply legalize you with the stroke of a pen and enroll you into a Guest Worker Amnesty Program. There you have it! No more illegal aliens."

We need to do many things to reverse the flow of illegal aliens and create the proper market pressures for many of them to leave on their own volition. Our efforts must be on every level of government: federal, state, and local.

The four things we must do are: (1). Secure our Borders. (2.) Crack down on employers that intentionally hire illegal labor. (3.) Remove all benefits such as licenses, in-state tuition, and welfare for illegal aliens. (4.) Empower local police to enforce immigration law.

Broad consensus exists for these measures, as multiple, national and local polls show over 80+% support for each one. From these multiple examples of support, we can see that the American public not only supports these measures, but American citizens are dismayed to discover that each facet has been compromised by an influential political minority.

The current administration in Washington is quick to point out that we are spending more than ever on border security resources. They do not like to mention the fact that over two thirds of our border patrol agents have poor morale because they are being prevented from doing the job they have been sent to do.

We can secure our borders by mounting pressure for the White House to rescind the current orders for our border patrol to only "catch and release" illegal aliens caught at the border. Mexican nationals caught entering the US should not be dropped off just across the border so they can try again the next night. They should be detained, identified, told that a 2nd crossing attempt is a felony. They should then handed over to the Mexican government to be returned to their homes. A Congressional inquiry is needed to ascertain why these insane and useless directives are in place and why most of the border sensor technology the taxpayers have paid for is not in place or operational.

Fining employers is essential, and once again supported by over 80+% of the American public. In 1999 only 400 employers were fined for hiring illegal labor. Under George Bush in 2004, Immigration and Customs Enforcement issued three intent letters but issued ZERO fines. The green light has been given to every business in America that they can hire illegal aliens without fear of enforcement. Thankfully, many states are now training and hiring agents to enforce fines against employers in the absence of the federal government honoring it's Constitutional responsibilities to the citizens of America.

Removing incentives to illegal aliens can be tricky. The Open Borders Lobby are using children and anchor babies as human shields to obtain benefits such as in-state tuition grants for illegal aliens. No American should be forced to pay for services for foreign nationals. Each state and federal elected official must know that illegal aliens should not be given licenses, in-state tuition, mortgages, bank accounts, welfare, or any other benefit short of emergency medical care and law enforcement accommodations before they are deported.

Empowering local police to enforce immigration law is essential, but currently there is confusion about enforcement by local police. Most departments do not realize that Federal law passed in 1996 already allows them to take action. That is why many cities and states are already training their officers for enforcement. Both local political will and funding must exist to set this in motion.

Now picture yourself as an illegal alien in an America where the existing laws are enforced, border patrol is allowed to do their job, employers are fined, benefits have been restricted, and the local police are now involved. Are you getting the message?

A final touch should be the declaration of English as America's national language. New laws must be passed that prohibit government agencies and businesses from discriminating by catering to Spanish speakers. Legal immigrants should be required to have some command of the English language. Current bi-lingual services are provided at a cost to American taxpayers and consumers are specifically designed to aid and abet illegal aliens. All legal immigrants to America should know how to speak American!

Illegal aliens will have trouble finding employment and services. They know if they are deported that getting back in will be more difficult than ever and when they are caught by police for crimes, drinking and driving, or driving without a license they are immediately placed in the deportation line and local officers are sent to their residence to determine the status of others living at that location.

There is no need for mass deportation, random sweeps, or draconian house–to-house searches.

If these measures are put in place, our illegal alien population will shrink instead of grow. This will also allow the employers that have been unscrupulous in their hiring practices to have some adjustment time. It took us years to get into this crisis and it will take years to get out. There will be some pain in the process, but we can send the illegal aliens home on air conditioned, first class buses stocked with diapers, refreshments, and baby formula, to satisfy the most tender-hearted Americans.

I often say in my speeches that "A chair without four legs is not a chair. We must do these four things. This is a true and holistic immigration reform. If we implement, a nation , these four measures, millions of illegal aliens will begin to leave the United States of America. Some will have to be helped on their way through deportation, but we do not have to deport 12 million. We can engage in enforcement through attrition." I've dubbed this "chair" the Krikorian Chair in honor of, Mark Krikorian, of the Center for Immigration Studies. As an admirer of Mr. Krikorian's work, one day I observed him facing down an Open Borders opponent on television by stating that we needed both border security and internal enforcement. Mark then pointed out that a stool needed more than one leg to be effective.

Mr. Krikorian has pointed out that illegal aliens ,in a sense, are migrants. This means they move from place to place. Those of us following this issue in the media have watched how illegal aliens chose states based on enforcement trends and benefits and how they start to leave a town when local officials crack down. Many of our illegal aliens will migrate back to the land they know if we implement Krikorian's Chair and send the correct message which is "Illegals Go Home!"

Another good analogy to use is being in a boat that has holes in the hull and is taking on water. Much like America, the boat will remain afloat for awhile but then pass a point where she starts to sink rapidly.

Right now, we are taking on much more water than we are bailing out. We need to plug some of the holes to reduce the flow of water. We need to increase the amount of water we are bailing out. We need to throw unneeded cargo weight off of the boat to alleviate pressure. Only when this is done will the situation improve for us.

Most importantly we need to identify those that have punched the holes in our boat and are standing there saying let's allow all of the water to stay in the boat and more to come in! These captains of doom need to be removed from political office, positions in the media, and positions of political influence.

This nation was built on two major documents which were designed to ensure tranquility, safety and a national defense. The defense was MEANT to be every able-bodied male between, I believe, the ages of 18 - 48 and each of them was demanded to own (see 2nd amendment)... and to play an individual role in defending this nation and it's borders - not some other country.

The two major documents are the Bill of Rights and the United States Constitution. They ARE the only documents needed to ensure the continuance of the United States of America. No other document is needed. The Constitution was set in STONE, and is not a "living document" or a "breathing document" as Billary and her cohorts would like people to believe. It's NOT up for changes. It's NOT up for grabs, and it's NOT optional!

I'm constantly harping on people to educate themselves in history through the founding of what we call the United States of America. Whether people are listening or not, I don't know. Some days it appears they aren't. But I can still hope.

The fact is, while our government is sending troops and supplies all around the world, we wouldn't have even had the September 11 2001 attacks here had our government been doing the duty for which it was created for in the first place. Concentrate on security and border operatios HERE and we would be impentratable. I guarantee it.

I agree. To the point I downloaded and printed both yesterday, so I could reread both! Just in case we lose the internet.

This generation has everything in the computer. PRINT on paper what's vital to you. After Hurricane Wilma, we lost power for 2 weeks. I HAD printed out the address book and right before pulling the plug pre-storm, printed my bank statement. That helped me at the bank, which was badly damaged. They're still rebuilding. But, there was info in there that I didn't realize that I'd want &/or need. Think about it.

Now think, natural disaster...."Paris, France"....

France has already had an immigration meltdown complete with riots and injures. And they are still picking up the mess.

We are DARNED lucky we haven't had such a scenario here - I'd have to say that God is still in control here in the United States, though He is probably permitting the people of our country to see how easily we will be overrun if we don't change our ways.

But that would be getting into deep theology, and there are other forums for that. Just gotta realize HOW lucky we've been thus far. But the day COULD be coming if we don't put a stop to this border mess before it happens. Be on guard - always. It's what my slogan means: Pro Patri Vigilans = Forever Watchful of Country (Yes, it's Latin. I snagged it from U.S. Army Signal base at Ft. Gordon Georgia when I was taking my A.I.T. electronics training there in 1991)

LOL, you're a young pup, CONCERNED

And it isn't just France. If you check out Reuters, BBC, there's a Belgium paper....don't remember the name right now. If I find it I'll post it on this thread. Immigrant problems are all over Europe! They were ahead of us by a few years. Research a bit , then extrapolate!!!!

And a wonderful slogan it is, Kurt. Glad you snagged it.

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

LOL, you're a young pup, CONCERNED

Yes 2ndamendsis, I am. Do you now of any possible way that I can stop the aging process so I can STAY that way? Hmmm???

Hmmmmm, let me think a sec...........

GOT IT!!!

Keep on fighting, pup.........keep on fighting! The adrenalin alone will keep the years from creeping up although the heart is another story, LOL.