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    Bush Vows Increased Ties with Communist Vietnam

    From the Washington Post (a left wing rag)...

    Bush Vows Increased Ties With Vietnam
    Protests Mark Leader's Visit to White House

    By Jim VandeHei
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, June 22, 2005; Page A01

    Thirty years after the end of a war that divided the United States and ravaged his own country, Vietnamese Prime Minister Phan Van Khai yesterday became the first leader of his nation to visit the White House and won promises from President Bush to bolster economic and military ties between the former enemies.

    With hundreds of Vietnam War veterans and pro-democracy protesters rallying outside the White House gates, Bush announced plans to visit Vietnam next year and support Vietnam's admission to the World Trade Organization, a big victory for Khai.

    President Bush meets with Vietnamese Prime Minister Phan Van Khai, Tuesday, June 21, 2005, in the Oval Office at the White House in Washington. Khai is asking Bush to help his nation join the World Trade Organization while Bush is raising concerns about human rights abuses.

    President Bush and Vietnamese Prime Minister Phan Van Khai met at the White House on Tuesday to discuss Vietnam-U.S. relations.
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    "This event, in itself, shows that Vietnam-U.S. relations have in fact entered a new stage of development," said Khai, the highest-ranking Vietnamese official to visit the White House since the Communists won the war in 1975. "I'm fully confident that my visit to America this time will help uplift the relationship between our two countries to a new height."

    Disagreements remain. In a private meeting, Bush pushed Khai to do more to promote human rights and religious freedom in a country accused of stifling dissenting voices and people of faith, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said. At a joint appearance with Bush, Khai attributed the differences to "the different conditions that we have, the different histories and cultures."

    The protesters offered a much harsher assessment of Khai's Vietnam, waving signs saying, "Stop Religious Repression." In a full-page ad that ran in yesterday's Washington Post, a group called a Call for Democracy accused the ruling government of adhering to an "obsolescent Communist ideology" that smothers freedom.

    Bush, in brief remarks to reporters, said the two leaders signed a "landmark agreement that will make it easier for people to worship freely in Vietnam." The president, whose stateside service in the National Guard during the Vietnam War was an issue in the 2004 election, praised Khai for his government's effort to help find the remains of more than 520 U.S. soldiers who were killed in Vietnam and never found.

    "It's very comforting to many families here in America to understand that the government is providing information to help close a sad chapter in their lives," Bush said. Since 1988, Vietnam has helped identify the remains of about 500 U.S. service members missing since the war. More than 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam.

    The bitter passions once stoked by Vietnam have faded, as presidents and members of Congress have embraced trade and closer military relations. In a morning appearance on NBC's "Today" show, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a prisoner of war for nearly six years, struck an ambivalent note -- praising Vietnam's economic progress but remaining skeptical about Vietnam's treatment of its own people. "They have taken steps," he said, but "we expect progress toward democratic freedom, human rights, elections and all the trappings of democracy."

    Rep. Christopher H. Smith (R-N.J.) told the Associated Press he also has doubts. He called Khai a "master of deception" and said he would hold hearings to determine whether the agreement on religious freedom was being implemented.

    Khai, whose tour of the United States took him from Microsoft Corp. Chairman Bill Gates's office in Redmond, Wash., to the White House and later the Pentagon for talks with Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, was on a mission to promote Vietnam's fast-growing economy and desire to forge closer ties with the United States. "We have a population of 80 million people, which means a huge market for American businesses," Khai said.

    A decade after diplomatic ties were restored by President Bill Clinton, U.S.-Vietnam trade is booming to the tune of $6.4 billion in 2004. Vietnam is striving to join the WTO at the next ministerial meeting, in December in Hong Kong.

    Bush said he will visit Vietnam in 2006 when it hosts the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum's annual summit, where world trade will be high on the agenda. In a nod to Bush, Khai signaled in advance of yesterday's meeting plans to provide more intelligence on possible terrorists and send military officers to the United States for training. In an interview with The Washington Post last week, Khai, 71, said intelligence-sharing efforts would include the creation of new positions at the U.S. Embassy in Hanoi and the Vietnamese Embassy in Washington.

    Vietnam was on Bush's agenda at a time when some voices in both parties are warning that the lessons of the war there remain relevant elsewhere -- in Iraq. McCain and others have said one lesson of Vietnam is to never lose the support of the public by making the situation sound better than it is during armed conflict.

    Several lawmakers have accused Bush of misleading the public about the challenges in Iraq, including a persistent and deadly insurgency and difficulties creating a viable Iraqi military that will allow U.S. soldiers to one day pull out.

    At a private lunch at the White House, two GOP senators pressed Bush to better explain recruitment problems and the struggles ahead, said Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.). The message, Kyl said, was that Bush should "not let people come to believe this is easier than it is." Bush said he agreed and told the senators he would meet with three generals this week to get a detailed briefing on progress in Iraq in preparation for a major speech next week.

    McClellan, speaking to reporters while Bush was hosting the lunch a few rooms away, said the president agrees with Vice President Cheney's recent assessment that the insurgency is in its "last throes."

    (End of Washington Post Article)

    The bitter passions once stoked by Vietnam have faded, as presidents and members of Congress have embraced trade and closer military relations.
    They ain't faded in my book. Somebody tell me why we should cozy up to these slimy Commies? So Microsoft and GE can build plants there and close plants here? So they can ship cheap crap made by slave labor into the U.S. while making a show of importing token amounts of our goods? So we can have another "trading partner" that ships ten times as much here as we ship there?

    I say ship them a few MOABS courtesy of the U.S. Air Force. These are the same bastards that we had beaten, when we gave up and came home. These are the same cretins who tortured our POW's unmercifully. These are the same animals who slaughtered hundreds of thousands of their own people when they took over the south.

    This is another major screw up in American foreign policy and another sop to the multi-national lobby. When will this country learn that sucking up to communist dictatorships is a losing propostition.

    Khai is asking Bush to help his nation join the World Trade Organization while Bush is raising concerns about human rights abuses.
    I am sure Mr. Khai will go home and set all the political prisoners free, allow the Christians and Budhists to worship freely, allow the newspapers to print what they want and hammer their artillery pieces into plowshares. The awesome persuasive powers of Mr. Bush will make it so. It astounds me that Bush can actually believe a syllable that comes out of this Communist Dictator's mouth? Reagan must be turning over in his grave.

    The Chi-Coms and the Viet-Coms want one thing and that is to dominate us first and then destroy us. They would like to see us as a vassal state, buying their goods but totally neutered militarily and economically. If that is what you want for America, Mr. Bush, go ahead and like Slick Willy, get in bed with these vermin. You've sold us out on immigration, you've sold us out on China, you sold us out on the War on Terror, why not go ahead sell us out here as well?

    Vietnam was on Bush's agenda at a time when some voices in both parties are warning that the lessons of the war there remain relevant elsewhere -- in Iraq.
    One more thing, Washington Post, do you think it would be possible for you to write an article about Vietnam without draggin in Iraq, you politically motivated bunch of hacks?
    When we gonna wake up?

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    "The bitter passions once stoked by Vietnam have faded" says who ??
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    What do you expect from Jorge Bush? He doesn't know what the hell he's doing. He just listens to whatever Karl Rove tells him to do. He's an absolute traitor and we have another 3 plus years left to deal with this idiot. Unfortunately despite his plummetting poll numbers, he still has a bunch of yes men and women in the Senate and in his cabinet who will do his bidding for him, but luckily though we have a Congress that is catching on and is rebelling against him. Thank goodness for that. Now we just have to try to kick out some of these sorry excuses for human beings in the Senate who have aligned themselves with the treason lobby and the corporate fat cats who will do anything to sell us out for a quick buck and we have to find a way to get some of our influence in the Senate and bring in some Senators who will put America before profit. We'll get our way in the House, we'll most likely get our way with the States issues. But the Senate is where we have to focus most of our energy on. Once we get some Senators who are like Tom Tancredo in there and they stand up for America just like us and say NO MORE, NO MORE, then we will finally have some change in spite of Jorge Bush.

    The only reason Jorge gets his way is because of the Senate. Some of these fake Republicans and Democrats need to be crushed like the bugs that they are. If the Senate had any real leadership, Jorge wouldn't be able to get away with this garbage, guaranteed.
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    I have said for years that we should have had a missle cruiser stationed in the South China sea with the sole mission of lobbing a surface to surface conventional missle at varying targets in North Vietnam and at irregular intervals since the war ended.

    We could have used air power to knock out most of the NVA when they came into Saigon. They violated the cease fire, but our politicians did not have the will to take any action. The South Vietnamese failed to defeat the north, but we abandoned them and they have suffered ever since. Now we are playing footsie with them.

    I don't think you ever successfully negotiate with a militant communist country. Your only choice is to defeat them diplomatically if possible, militarily if necessary.

    Khai is playing George Bush like a violin, just like the Chinese have played us all these years. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
    When we gonna wake up?

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    scarecrow wrote:

    "Khai is playing George Bush like a violin, just like the Chinese have played us all these years. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me."

    I agree with you.
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    Bush is just a stooge for the NWO. Every foreign leader outside of Saddam is playing Jorge like a fiddle now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dman1200
    Bush is just a stooge for the NWO. Every foreign leader outside of Saddam is playing Jorge like a fiddle now.


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