Thread: Bush wants Feds to know what you Google Search!

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Google Agrees To Censor Searches In China
Google Defends Decision To Self-Censor

POSTED: 7:32 am PST January 25, 2006
UPDATED: 7:49 am PST January 25, 2006

SHANGHAI, China -- Google Inc. launched a search engine in China on Wednesday that censors material about human rights, Tibet and other topics sensitive to Beijing -- defending the move as a trade-off granting Chinese greater access to other information.

Within minutes of the launch of the new site bearing China's Web suffix ".cn," searches for the banned Falun Gong spiritual movement showed scores of sites omitted and users directed to articles condemning the group posted on Chinese government Web sites.

Searches for other sensitive subjects such as exiled Tibetan leader the Dalai Lama, Taiwan independence, and terms such as "democracy" and "human rights" yielded similar results.

In most such cases, only official Chinese government sites or those with a ".cn" suffix were included.

Google, which has as it's motto "Don't Be Evil," says the new site aims to make its search engine more accessible in China, thereby expanding access to information.

Yet the move has already been criticized by media watchdog Reporters Without Borders, which also has chided Yahoo Inc. and Microsoft Corp.'s MSN.com for submitting to China's censorship regime.

"When a search engine collaborates with the government like this, it makes it much easier for the Chinese government to control what is being said on the Internet," said Julien Pain, head of the group's Internet desk.

However, technology analyst Duncan Clark said such criticisms probably wouldn't generate problems for Google's business elsewhere, given weak responses to previous cooperation between foreign Internet companies and Chinese authorities.

Past incidents "haven't seemed to gel into anything that could dissuade Google," said Clark, the managing director of Beijing-based consultancy BDA China Ltd.

Chinese Internet users said Mountain View, Calif.-based Google Inc.'s move was inevitable given Beijing's restrictions on the Internet, which the government promotes for commerce but heavily censors for content deemed offensive or subversive.

"Google has no choice but to give up to the Party," said one posting on the popular information technology Web site PCONLINE, signed simply "AS."

Google's move was prompted by frequent disruptions of the Chinese-language version of its search engine registered under the company's dot-com address in the United States.

Government filtering has blocked access or created lengthy delays in response time.

Google's senior policy counsel Andrew McLaughlin defended the new site as better serving Chinese customers.

"In deciding how best to approach the Chinese -- or any -- market, we must balance our commitments to satisfy the interests of users, expand access to information, and respond to local conditions," McLaughlin said in an e-mailed statement.

McLaughlin said search results would be removed based on local laws, regulations or policies.

"While removing search results is inconsistent with Google's mission, providing no information (or a heavily degraded user experience that amounts to no information) is more inconsistent with our mission," he said.

There was no indication that Google would disable access to its .com site within China.

McLaughlin said the company wouldn't host its e-mail or blogging services in China that can be mined for information about users, and would inform users if information had been deleted from searches. Such messages appeared in searches for Falun Gong and other sensitive topics.

Clark said Google likely hopes to avoid the bad publicity incurred by Yahoo last year after it provided the government with the e-mail account information of a Chinese journalist who was later convicted of violating state secrecy laws.

"They want to avoid those kinds of headlines," he said.

Google hopes the move will shore up its competitiveness against both foreign competitors such as Yahoo and domestic ones like Baidu.com Inc., a Beijing-based company in which Google owns a 2.6 percent stake. Baidu.com is currently China's most popular search engine.

China has more than 100 million Web surfers and the audience is expected to swell.

Wang Lijian, a spokesman for China's Ministry of Information Industry which oversees Internet licensing, said he had not heard of Google's decision and had no comment.

Shares of Google rose $1.99 to $445.02 in early trading on the Nasdaq. The stock has traded in a 52-week range of $172

Yeah, Google and Yahoo, and Microsoft, they're all about oppressing the people for the Chinese overlords.

I bet those companies would happily enslave us also, if it's good for the bottom line.


I heard on the radio that there is a law passed during Clinton's admin. that requires the govt to do stuff to stop child porn.

It could be Big Brother spying also.


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Dman, I noticed that also...suddenly a Bin Laden tape surfaces? Awww..c'mon now. It's also a fact that anytime he wants to do something that eliminates our rights in one way or the other he drags up 9/11 for the excuse for it.

This manipulation can work both ways..when he drags up Bin Laden...that's when we REALLY ought to start screaming about our open borders..."Laden's coming..Laden's coming" Up the drawbridge..."The moat is dry and all the alligators are dead...Up the drawbridge"...

We should all run and hide...shaking in fear...there's a TAPE, I'm telling you there's a TAPE...

What bs...

RR

So there you have it. The search Engines can omit things that they want including child porn, so the govemrnt only needs to aks them to do that and not hand over records for evryones searches.

Perhaps we will soon learn what the United States Police Department is all about.

A provision in the "Patriot Act" creates a new federal police force with power to violate the Bill of Rights. You might think that this cannot be true as you have not read about it in newspapers or heard it discussed by talking heads on TV.

Go to House Report 109-333 USA PATRIOT IMPROVEMENT AND REAUTHORIZATION ACT OF 2005 and check it out for yourself. Sec. 605 reads:

"There is hereby created and established a permanent police force, to be known as the ’United States Secret Service Uniformed Division’."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts142.html

All this Bush Bashing is becoming tiresome. Look I am no fan of Bush but some of you think GWB is solely responsible for the one World Government movement.

In fact, I think he should be impeached for not enforcing the sovereignty of the United States and our borders.

However some of you seem to have short memories. Another CFR member, William Jefferson Clinton attempted to implement Carnivore and Echelon during his administration.

It is not just GWB that has been trying to take over our country and implement a One World Government. One of the biggest proponents of this movement is Jay Rockefeller. His family still controls 4 of the 5 oil companies and provided the majority of the funding that established the council on foreign relations.

Back in the early 1900's Standard Oil was broken up into 23 oil companies to force the oil oligarchy of the Rockefeller's to give up their monopoly. It has taken about 75 years for the Rockefeller's with the consent of the Congress to merge all the original 23 oil companies back into a monopoly position we see today.

Our enemies are in the senate and congress. They see the Internet as an threat because it has enabled the average citizen to have the ability to inform themselves about the crooks that used to be able to use the mainstream media to filter the debate and control the information disseminated to the public.

All I am saying is the hatred and anti bush rhetoric diminishes your arguments on illegal immigration and our movement to return the government to the people. The truth is that the real enemies to freedom and liberty are in both parties not just one puppet that currently resides in the white house.

ScottyDog,
There is no doubt that both parties share in wanting a NWO, but it wouldn’t matter to me who is in office Bush or any other person, I would say the same about them if they acted the same way. I am an independent voter. I voted for Bush once and I can assure you that I learned from my mistake. My vote goes to a third party from now on if they are the best person for the job. Bush gets the criticism because he is the one who is supposed to be protecting and defending the constitution and not using it to wipe with. He is supposed to be protecting our borders, not leaving them open for illegals. The anti-American Patriot Act, Federal Police, Spying on Americans, National ID Cards, CAFTA, Free Speech Zones. I could go on and on, but we all know what he has done wrong to sell this nation down the river. So I will leave it at that.

I try to avoid talking about the traitors and sticking to the topic, but when a person takes part in any type of forum and voices uses their first amendment rights before they are taken away as well and then has to worry about their government spying on them or using the Patriot Act against them, we cant help but be concerned.

There is once again no need for the government to get the records for search engines. By the way it is wonderful and encouraging to see that others know the history of this country. So many people do not take time to learn history and that is why we are on the road to repeating it.