Thread: Comprehensive Immigration Reform

Wal yessuh ah believe yer right about thet millere. Havin' spent mah yo'th an' some part of mah growed up life livin' in Noo Yawk, ah reckanized fairly quickly thet ah was dealin' wif a SCHMUCK. Howevah, ah did injoy th' references t'th' movement. It was so banana republic. Ah kina felt a' times like ah was gunna git sumpthin' ah dnt already own. ah was so'ry when he turned out t'be jest t'other representaive of th' supra-legal race.

Originally Posted by millere

My experience with the Indian trollers has been that an older, more experienced troller at an Indian company will be hired to invade a discussion group like this one, and as the work load spreads out, he will hire lesser experienced trollers whose English is often not good and "breaks up".

So the OBL is now hiring trolls to harass us? Boy, they must really be afraid of us! If that's true, that is so funny!!!! I love it!

Originally Posted by patbrunz

So the OBL is now hiring trolls to harass us? Boy, they must really be afraid of us! If that's true, that is so funny!!!! I love it!

In India, spammers can be hired for as little as $1 an hour where they often sit in extremely cramped office conditions at cheap computers working in conditions that would get shut down in the US (ah the miracles of offshoring). I first ran into them in 2003 when I discovered that propaganda groups in India were flooding out discussion groups devoted to offshoring American computer jobs to India. Little by litle me and a bunch of other computer types would discover their little lies and feed them back to them. If they got mad enough they would hack into the groups and disable them!

The Indian offshoring mess is one of the most sordid scandals in the US right now. They have put hundreds of thousands of American computer programmers out of work and jealously hoard any computer market jobs for themselves (the myth of "insourcing" is a lie, they never hire American citizens).

They are here in groups discussing illegal immigration by Mexicans because they realize that if our country is forced to accept illegal Mexican aliens in a giant tidal wave, then millions of Indian immigrants can stream in here, too.

Both George Bush and Hillary Clinton are working for the unlimited immigration rights of poor Indian laborers, meaning that a potential 100 million Indian laborers would be coming to the US if they had their way!

Keeping out and deporting illegal Mexican aliens is an important first step towards keeping this catastrophy from happening which is why "foreign" trolls are coming around and trying to tell us Americans that we don't have a right to keep out aliens. (Plus their view of American culture is so weak they think we actually have a fear of Ted Kennedy. I am not afraid of "teddy" but I most certainly would be afraid for my life if ever I had to bum a ride from him!)

Do you want to add anything to the above "MovingForward"?

Bush, in High-Tech Center, Urges Americans to Welcome Competition From India

March 4, 2006, Saturday
By ELISABETH BUMILLER; SOMINI SENGUPTA AND HARI KUMAR CONTRIBUTED REPORTING FROM NEW DELHI FOR THIS ARTICLE. (NYT); Foreign Desk
Late Edition - Final, Section A, Page 5, Column 1, 851 words
DISPLAYING ABSTRACT - Pres Bush finishes his two-day visit to India with speech praising new warmth in Indian-American relations, and urges Americans to welcome rather than fear India as economic competitor; defends outsourcing of American jobs to India as reality of global economy, and says US should focus on India as vital new market for American goods; three people are killed and over dozen injured in anti-Bush protests in Lucknow...

"Comprehensive Immigration Reform"
Has no definte meaning. It`s never been given one, yet.
The problem is, it can swing both ways.

I just read today in the paper that congress is taking a shortcut to amnesty (no link found).
They plan to eliminate the nesessity for illegals to return home before applying, eliminate fines, and eliminate funds for the 700mile border fence.
It said that the article originally came from "The New York Times" but still no link has been found.
Titled: "Migrant Measure goes Forward" in th"San Bernardino County Sun"

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

I just read today in the paper that congress is taking a shortcut to amnesty (no link found).
They plan to eliminate the nesessity for illegals to return home before applying, eliminate fines, and eliminate funds for the 700mile border fence.
It said that the article originally came from "The New York Times Service" but still no link has been found.
Titled: "Migrant Measure goes Forward" in th"San Bernardino County Sun"

patbrunz wrote:

Quote:
It's kinda like if you left your front door open and a person just walked in and made themselves at home in your house - ate the food in your fridge, slept in your bed, and took a shower in your bathroom. It's still trespassing.

We could also say that it`s like the movie, "The Birds"

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

I just read today in the paper that congress is taking a shortcut to amnesty (no link found).
They plan to eliminate the nesessity for illegals to return home before applying, eliminate fines, and eliminate funds for the 700mile border fence.
It said that the article originally came from "The New York Times" but still no link has been found.
Titled: "Migrant Measure goes Forward" in th"San Bernardino County Sun"

Yup, MK.........kennedy & mccain are fast and furiously working to push AMNESTY thru while everyone is celebrating the New Year.

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MK- here is the article-


Bipartisan Effort to Draft Immigration Bill
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/26/washi ... ref=slogin


By RACHEL L. SWARNS
Published: December 26, 2006

WASHINGTON, Dec. 25 — Counting on the support of the new Democratic majority in Congress, Democratic lawmakers and their Republican allies are working on measures that could place millions of illegal immigrants on a more direct path to citizenship than would a bill that the Senate passed in the spring.

The lawmakers are considering abandoning a requirement in the Senate bill that would compel several million illegal immigrants to leave the United States before becoming eligible to apply for citizenship.

The lawmakers are also considering denying financing for 700 miles of fencing along the border with Mexico, a law championed by Republicans that passed with significant Democratic support.

Details of the bill, which would be introduced early next year, are being drafted. The lawmakers, who hope for bipartisan support, will almost certainly face pressure to compromise on the issues from some Republicans and conservative Democrats.

Still, the proposals reflect significant shifts since the November elections, as well as critical support from the Homeland Security Department.

Proponents said the prospects for such a measure, which would include tougher border security and a guest worker plan, had markedly improved since Nov. 7.

The Senate plans to introduce its immigration bill next month with an eye toward passage in March or April, officials said. The House is expected to consider its version later. President Bush said last week that he hoped to sign an immigration bill next year.

The major lawmakers drafting the legislation include Senators Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, and John McCain, Republican of Arizona, along with Representatives Jeff Flake, Republican of Arizona, and Luis V. Gutierrez, Democrat of Illinois. The four met this month, and their staffs have begun working on a bill.

“I’m very hopeful about this, both in terms of the substance and the politics of it,” said Mr. Kennedy, the incoming chairman of the Senate Immigration, Border Security and Citizenship Subcommittee.

Mr. Kennedy acknowledged that there would be hurdles. But he and other lawmakers say Republicans and Democrats are now more likely to work together to repair a system widely considered as broken.

House Republicans blocked consideration of the bill that passed the Senate this year, saying it amounted to an amnesty for lawbreakers and voicing confidence that a tough stance would touch off a groundswell of support in the Congressional elections. The strategy largely failed.

Hispanic voters, a swing constituency that Republicans covet, abandoned the party in large numbers. Several Republican hardliners, including Representatives John Hostettler of Indiana and J. D. Hayworth of Arizona, lost their seats. After the dismal showing, House Republicans denied F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. of Wisconsin, the departing chairman of the Judiciary Committee and an architect of the House immigration approach, a senior position on any major committee in the new Congress.

Domestic security officials have voiced support for important elements of the framework under consideration. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff has repeatedly raised doubts about the effectiveness of border fencing in remote desert areas. Mr. Bush signed the fence bill this year, but Congress did not appropriate enough money for it. Officials say they would also prefer a less burdensome process than the original Senate bill outlined.

That bill divided the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants into three groups, those living here for five years or more, those here for two to five years and those here for less than two years.

All but the illegal immigrants living here for five years or more, roughly seven million, would have to leave the country briefly to be eligible for legal status. Those here for fewer than two years would have to leave the country and would not even be guaranteed a slot in a guest worker plan.

Domestic security officials said the original plan would have been enormously difficult to administer because many illegal immigrants lacked documentation to prove how long they had been in the United States.

The officials said it would have fueled a market in fraudulent documents as illegal immigrants scrambled to offer proof of residency.

The three-tiered approach would also discourage millions of illegal immigrants from registering, driving millions deeper underground.

“We do have concerns over breaking it down into that tiered system,” said a domestic security official who insisted on anonymity. “When you do that, you run the risk of people trying to create false documentation that would get them the highest benefits.”

Thanks Kate. I found it and posted a topic" "Congress , takes short cut to amnesty"