Thread: What is a major difference between Democrat and Republican voters? GOVERNMENT CHEESE

See: 81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg

”But as solid as the statistics Krugman provided might seem, we’re left with one glaring problem: States aren’t people. Could it be possible that liberals within conservative states are the ones taking the welfare dollars?

A survey by the Maxwell Poll on the political affiliation of those receiving government aid showed this to be the case.”

Keep in mind our federal government’s primary directive as stated in Article 1, Section 8 of our Constitution is, ”… to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States.” Following this directive there is a specific list of particulars for which Congress may lay and collect taxes, and the list does not include such things as food stamps, public housing, public schools, or other appropriations designed to meet the economic needs of individuals. As a matter of fact, under federalism, our Constitution’s plan, all such appropriations, if found necessary, are the responsibility of state governments. And this fact is confirmed in Federalist No. 45:

“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.

The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.”

The unfortunate truth is, America’s most productive and hardworking citizens have been made into tax slaves by democrat voters who use their vote to elect politicians who in turn promise to use their office of public trust to keep the federal government’s free cheese wagon coming their way.

JWK


If we can make 51 percent of America’s population dependent upon an Obama / Hillary Clinton Administration's, welfare, food stamp, section 8 housing, college loan check, and now free Obama/Hillarycare along with FREE BACON, we can blackmail them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ the Obama / Hillary Clinton Administration's Free Cheese Democracy, designed to establish a federal plantation which confiscates and then redistributes wealth that wage earners, business and investors have worked to create.

The Income Tax was illegal under the US Constitution to avoid making our citizens tax slaves. The Income Tax is an evil of monumental proportion that has greatly distorted and irreparably changed and diminished what our great country could have and would have been without the 16th Amendment.

It's why I support the FairTax and hope with all my heart the next Republican Administration which I pray will be a Trump Presidency realizes that you can't solidly fix our country until we repeal the Income Tax and replace it with the FairTax. You can't end tyranny and the corruption it breeds until you do this. You can do it for 4 years or 8 years, but you can't fix it permanently without restoring freedom from mandatory taxation and the only way to do that is repeal the income tax and replace it with a voluntary tax only consumers pay at the final point of sale of new goods and services they voluntarily choose to buy.

The FairTax Act of 2015: HR 25 in the US House of Representatives and S 155 in the US Senate.

Originally Posted by Judy

The Income Tax was illegal under the US Constitution to avoid making our citizens tax slaves. The Income Tax is an evil of monumental proportion that has greatly distorted and irreparably changed and diminished what our great country could have and would have been without the 16th Amendment.

It's why I support the FairTax and hope with all my heart the next Republican Administration which I pray will be a Trump Presidency realizes that you can't solidly fix our country until we repeal the Income Tax and replace it with the FairTax. You can't end tyranny and the corruption it breeds until you do this. You can do it for 4 years or 8 years, but you can't fix it permanently without restoring freedom from mandatory taxation and the only way to do that is repeal the income tax and replace it with a voluntary tax only consumers pay at the final point of sale of new goods and services they voluntarily choose to buy.

The FairTax Act of 2015: HR 25 in the US House of Representatives and S 155 in the US Senate.

Judy,

We have gone over H.R. 25 many times. And each time I document for you that it does not end federal taxes which are calculated from profits, gains and other incomes.

In order to end the tyranny of a federal tax which is calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other incomes, the following 32 words must be added to our federal Constitution which are found in the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment, but not in H.R.25:


“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money".

JWK

Yes, I know we do not agree on the solution. I support the FairTax which is a retail sales tax on voluntary purchases of new goods and services complete with a rebate to offset expenditures on essentials which ends federal tax tyranny, and you support the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment which moves the tyranny to the States to impose. Under your plan the States would be free to impose a 40% income tax to pay their fair share of the federal budget. I am opposed to all income and property based taxes. ALL. And the reason for that is they are mandatory. I support retail sales taxes on purchases of new goods and services at the final point of sale to support all government entities, because they are voluntary.

If you want it, you pay for it. Very simple.

Judy's Five Principles To Abide:

1. if you don't believe in abortion, don't have one
2. if you don't believe in gay marriage, don't marry one
3. if you breed 'em, you feed 'em
4. if you want it, you pay for it
5. if you make it over there, you sell it over there

Very simple.

Originally Posted by Judy

Yes, I know we do not agree on the solution. .

This is not about agreeing on the solution. It is about the facts regarding H.R. 25. It does not end federal taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes.

JWK

Originally Posted by johnwk

This is not about agreeing on the solution. It is about the facts regarding H.R. 25. It does not end federal taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes.

JWK

The FairTax is calculated on consumption and charged to the consumer included in the purchase price the consumer paid for the product or service, not the profits, gains, salaries or income of the seller or service provider.

If a consumer pays $100 for something, a new good or service, subject to the FairTax, the vendor includes the FairTax in the price the same way federal gas taxes are included in your pump price, and sends in 23% of that to the State once a month with their state sales tax report, less their fee for collecting it from the consumer, and then the State sends it all in to the federal government en mass, less their State fee for collecting it. The FairTax has nothing to do with profits, gains, salaries or income, only retail sales whether there's a profit or gain or salaries or income or not. If you sell or barter something new or a service, you include the tax in your price, collect it from the consumer, forward it to the State once a month and retain your Collector Fee for the service you have provided.

Question: Is a 40% state income tax to pay the state's fair share of the federal budget allowed under your plan? Are 40% property taxes to pay the state's fair share of the federal budget allowed under your plan? Tyranny is tyranny whether it's by the federal government or the states on its behalf.

Originally Posted by Judy

The FairTax is calculated on consumption and charged to the consumer included in the purchase price the consumer paid for the product or service, not the profits, gains, salaries or income of the seller or service provider.

If a consumer pays $100 for something, a new good or service, subject to the FairTax, the vendor includes the FairTax in the price the same way federal gas taxes are included in your pump price, and sends in 23% of that to the State once a month with their state sales tax report, less their fee for collecting it from the consumer, and then the State sends it all in to the federal government en mass, less their State fee for collecting it. The FairTax has nothing to do with profits, gains, salaries or income, only retail sales whether there's a profit or gain or salaries or income or not. If you sell or barter something new or a service, you include the tax in your price, collect it from the consumer, forward it to the State once a month and retain your Collector Fee for the service you have provided.

Question: Is a 40% state income tax to pay the state's fair share of the federal budget allowed under your plan? Are 40% property taxes to pay the state's fair share of the federal budget allowed under your plan? Tyranny is tyranny whether it's by the federal government or the states on its behalf.

H.R. 25. It does not end federal taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes.

JWK

It repeals them. If that's not ending it, what is? Are you talking about repealing the 16th Amendment? No, HR 25 does not do that, it repeals all laws that charge income taxes and requires a repeal of the 16th Amendment within 7 years after passage in its Sunset Provision, which would occur through separate legislation to propose to the States to ratify. The federal government can't amend the US Constitution, only States can do that, it can propose it but it can't do it. However, the federal government can end the income tax without repealing the 16th Amendment by repealing the income tax laws.

Originally Posted by Judy

It repeals them. If that's not ending it, what is? Are you talking about repealing the 16th Amendment? No, HR 25 does not do that, it repeals all laws that charge income taxes and requires a repeal of the 16th Amendment within 7 years after passage in its Sunset Provision, which would occur through separate legislation to propose to the States to ratify. The federal government can't amend the US Constitution, only States can do that, it can propose it but it can't do it. However, the federal government can end the income tax without repealing the 16th Amendment by repealing the income tax laws.

H.R. 25. does not end federal taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes. The "fair share balanced budget amendment", if adopted, would end all federal taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes.

JWK

What replaces it to pay the bills of the federal government?