Thread: Dreamers Prove You Are Smart And Courageous By Going Home

If these so called "Dreamers" are so smart why don't they return to their real homes in mexico or wherever and apply to return with legal status.

Passing this Dream Act would not have done "Dreamers" any favors. They would have been taught that corners can be cut in life, laws do not mean anything, there are no consequences for actions and that they are more deserving than everyone else in this world.

Where is the gratitude of these so called "Dreamers"? Have you ever heard them thank the common citizen taxpayer who has provided them the educational resources they have enjoyed to date as well as an environment to live it which is obviously so much better than where they came from that they do not want to go back? No, instead, like spoiled children and con-artists the more you give them the more they ask for in return.

If these so called "Dreamers" were all they are cracked up to be they would prove themselves by going back to the foreign lands they are from and contribute to improving them. The truth is they don't have the guts to take on the drug gangs in mexico and the dictatorships elsewhere in Central and South America. They just stand by and watch the families they deserted suffer grinding poverty and chaotic violence. And you think for a minute they will put their lives on the line to defend you old white people like they refer to us? Please.

We are told every day by those in the media and even by those representing the so called "Dreamers" that ours is a nation in economic decline. So, why would they want to stay here instead of leave for the greener pastures elsewhere so they can better prosper? Is it because they were not truly seeking to produce excess and share it with others but instead they are looking for a taxpayer subsidized lifestyle just like they have been raised on by their illegal alien parents.

If illegal aliens were so damned beneficial for this country we would not be in the current fix we are in. The fact is illegal immigration and for that matter, high levels of immigration, have not and will not solve our problems. Instead they actually compound them.

So, if you truly love this country "Dreamers" it is time for you to leave. Staying here is only serving to cause problems that you are not capable of solving. No matter what you do though don't think for one second that by being here illegally or gaining legal status via an amnesty you are an "AMERICAN". You're not and never will be unless you go home and return legally if that is what you desire. Taking something or getting a piece of paper you don't deserve is one thing but truly earning it is another. The difference is found where it counts most, in one's heart. That is what you will take with you before like us all you become dust onto the earth. We know you don't really care about us and this nation that has done so much for you but you should at least be honest with yourself and true to your own heart.

This is where they should have been...Standing in there own country and standing with this women ..If the millions here would only be as strong and fearless as her maybe mexico would have some hope...Instead her family (more than likely) living here rather fight for rights in a country that wont shoot them down dead!! Chickens a bunch of chickens...
So all you Proud to be Mexican Latinos or whatever you call yourself go home and take up what this brave woman started...Millions of you standing up for her. So show us how much pride you have for the country you love and bring your sticking flag with ya.....

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,5162480.story

Reporting from Mexico City — Outraged when judges freed the main suspect in her daughter's killing, Marisela Escobedo Ortiz launched a one-woman protest across the street from government offices in northern Mexico.

Now she is dead too.

In a brazen killing caught on video, a gunman chased Escobedo and shot her at close range Thursday night in front of the governor's office building in the capital of Chihuahua state.



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The slaying drew condemnations from politicians and human rights activists and appeared to be fresh evidence of the impunity with which criminals operate across much of Mexico.

Amnesty International blamed "the negligence of state and federal authorities" for what it called reprisal attacks against activists and relatives of crime victims. "The deficiencies of the judicial system in cases of murdered women and girls have been demonstrated once again," the group said in a statement Friday.

Escobedo's 16-year-old daughter, Rubi Frayre, was slain and dismembered in 2008. The main suspect was her live-in boyfriend, Sergio Barraza, who was captured a year later in the state of Zacatecas.

Although Barraza confessed to the killing, he was exonerated in May by a three-judge panel that found insufficient evidence after a U.S.-style trial with oral arguments in the state capital, also called Chihuahua. Another court reversed the verdict, finding Barraza guilty, but he remains at large.

Escobedo loudly denounced the first court's ruling and has begged state authorities for justice. This month, she planted herself in front of the governor's office.

She had said she received threats from Barraza and his family but refused to hide.

"What's the government waiting for — that he come and finish me?" Escobedo said in an interview outside the governor's palace that was posted on a website. "Then let him kill me, but here in front to see if it makes them ashamed."

Chihuahua Gov. Cesar Duarte said Escobedo had gathered evidence that Barraza was in Zacatecas with members of the Zetas drug gang. Authorities indicated that Barraza was a suspect in the mother's slaying.

Duarte said he would seek the removal of the three judges in the case and ask to have them stripped of immunity from possible prosecution.

"He confessed to the killing and reported the place where the remains of Mrs. Escobedo's daughter could be found. This is what no one can understand — the irresponsibility of these judges who set free a highly dangerous subject," Duarte said in a radio interview.

The video, aired on Mexican television, shows a man in dark clothing chasing Escobedo in the darkness as she sprints across the street toward the governor's office, which was closed at the time. Escobedo flops to the sidewalk as the shooter races to jump into a waiting sedan.

Chihuahua has been a pioneer in Mexico in rolling out a new system of trials, which resemble U.S. adversarial proceedings because prosecutors have to prove cases in open court.

The new system means tougher standards of evidence than under Mexico's traditional trials, which are decided behind closed doors by judges relying largely on written filings from both sides.

ken.ellingwood@latimes.com
Copyright © 2010, Los Angeles Times

The "Dreamers" don't care about Marisela Escobedo Ortiz even though she is a fellow human being who sought justice where a real injustice had occured. They are only concerned with themselves.

You dreamers lost. Accept it.......

They fail to see its not a problem with the country they come from. Its a problem with the countries people. When the people roll over and just cry for someone else to fix it or leave rather then fix their own problems that becomes the issue. Leaving to the US they generally just bring the problems with them. They come for the oppurtunities our society gives but then want to subvert it to be how their home country was which destroys those oppurtunities. Instead these people need to stay at home with the masses like them and fix their own society and way of thinking.

Immigration is meant only for those that which to part with their old ways and old society and start fresh with a totally new mindset.

So now Barraza is wanted in mexico, "GREAT!" let me guess where his next stop will be?
Don't tell me you are going to fight for the dream act, and not fight for this courageous woman.
You just saw a hand full of American's, and I mean just a hand full, fight for the freedom of all American's we were out gunned and out funded, 10 to 1 we didn't stop fighting and we barely won because we were fighting our own corrupt government. Hint! Hint!
If your not willing to stand and fight for Mexico she is doomed,
Just like Mrs.Escobedo who fought with her last dying breathe.
At least she's with God now!