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    Electoral fraud, election manipulation, or vote rigging is illegal interference with the process of an election.

    Acts of fraud affect vote counts to bring about an election result, whether by increasing the vote share of the favored candidate, depressing the vote share of the rival candidates, or both.

    What constitutes electoral fraud under law varies from country to country.


    Many kinds of election fraud are outlawed in electoral legislation, but others are in violation of general laws, such as those banning assault, harassment or libel.

    Although technically the term 'electoral fraud' covers only those acts which are illegal, the term is sometimes used to describe acts which are legal but considered morally unacceptable, outside the spirit of electoral laws, or in violation of the principles of democracy.[1]

    Show elections, in which only one candidate can win, are sometimes classified as electoral fraud, although they may comply with the law.


    In national elections, successful electoral fraud can have the effect of a coup d'état or corruption of democracy.

    In a narrow election, a small amount of fraud may be enough to change the result.

    Even if the outcome is not affected, revelation of fraud can have a damaging effect, if not punished, as it can reduce voters' confidence in democracy.


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    Types of voter fraud

    The following are the common types of alleged voter fraud:[1][5][6]

    • Double voting (ballot stuffing): One individual casts more than one ballot in the same election.
    • Dead voters: The name of a deceased person remains on a state's official list of registered voters and a living person fraudulently casts a ballot in that name.
    • Felon voter fraud: The casting of a ballot by a convicted felon who is not eligible to vote as a result of being a felon.
    • Voter suppression: A variety of tactics aimed at lowering or suppressing the number of voters who might otherwise vote in a particular election.
    • Registration fraud: Filling out and submitting a voter registration card for a fictional person, or filling out a voter registration card with the name of a real person, but without that person's consent, and forging his or her signature on the card.
    • Voter impersonation: A person claims to be someone else when casting a vote.
    • Vote-buying: Agreements between voters and others to buy and sell votes, such as a candidate paying voters to vote for him or her.
    • Fraud by election officials: Manipulation of ballots by officials administering the election, such as tossing out ballots or casting ballots in voters' names.


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    In order to expose illegal voting by noncitizens, one would have to have a verification of citizenship process which some states do and abide in their voter registration process but others don't, so the election commissions would have to have a means by which to verify citizenship either at the time of voter registration or on the day of the election if they allow same day registration and then run a comparison to that as part of the vote count.

    Recounting the votes isn't going to expose that problem. You'd need a different type of activity like an investigation with the software capability of doing matches and examinations. It's this problem that led to Republicans wanting a Voter ID system in their states.

    Confidence in our elections has been lost due to massive illegal and excess legal immigration and the refusal of Democrats to support measures to protect again illegal voting by noncitizens. Republicans are going have to push this envelope all the way to a solution to this problem by a) removing illegal aliens from the population b) pausing legal immigration. When we achieve a) and b), the problem will be very small, perhaps do a match with E-Verify for everyone who doesn't have a driver's license that's linked back to a birth certificate and increase the penalties for noncitizen voter registration and noncitizen illegal voting.

    I doubt anything will be done about it for this election so we'll just have to deal with what we have, but by next election this problem needs to be fixed in all 50 states, especially those with high illegal alien and immigrant populations.
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    They already found some vote fraud.

    According to local reports, there were four precincts in Hortonville, Cicero, Bear Creek, and Grand Chute, where it was reported that more people had voted in the presidential race, than had voted overall.

    The discrepancy, which was attributed by local officials to human error, added over 1,000 votes to Donald Trump.

    Election Fraud Complaint Filed As More People Voted Than Total Voters In 4 Wisconsin Precincts

    @ Trump Claims, With No Evidence, That ‘Millions of People’ Voted Illegally
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    Those were found when they did the canvass as part of the original vote count. That's why the almost 12,000 vote lead Trump had ended up being 10,700. It was tally errors. In one county there was a single error of 543 more than half of the total errors. But look, if you and the Dems wants to call it "voter fraud", then go round up the counters, charge them with a crime and lock 'em up.

    What I'm talking about and what most anti-illegal immigration activists are talking about when we use the term illegal voting, are the people who cast votes who are not eligible voters because they aren't citizens of the United States, not the people who make mistakes when they count the votes, but the illegal voters themselves.
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    There's more than one type of vote fraud. It's all illegal.

    Types of voter fraud

    The following are the common types of alleged voter fraud:[1][5][6]


    • Double voting (ballot stuffing): One individual casts more than one ballot in the same election.
    • Dead voters: The name of a deceased person remains on a state's official list of registered voters and a living person fraudulently casts a ballot in that name.
    • Felon voter fraud: The casting of a ballot by a convicted felon who is not eligible to vote as a result of being a felon.
    • Voter suppression: A variety of tactics aimed at lowering or suppressing the number of voters who might otherwise vote in a particular election.
    • Registration fraud: Filling out and submitting a voter registration card for a fictional person, or filling out a voter registration card with the name of a real person, but without that person's consent, and forging his or her signature on the card.
    • Voter impersonation: A person claims to be someone else when casting a vote.
    • Vote-buying: Agreements between voters and others to buy and sell votes, such as a candidate paying voters to vote for him or her.




    • Fraud by election officials: Manipulation of ballots by officials administering the election, such as tossing out ballots or casting ballots in voters' names.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Those were found when they did the canvass as part of the original vote count . . .
    And they might find more with the recount.
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    Sure, they might. Is that what you're hoping for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Sure, they might. Is that what you're hoping for?
    Why would you say such a thing to a fellow ALIPAC member? That's just not necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    Why would you say such a thing to a fellow ALIPAC member? That's just not necessary.
    Why? What's wrong with it? He seems pretty excited about the recount in Wisconsin and hopes more mistakes are found when that isn't the position of ALIPAC. Did you all not get your notice from ALIPAC about our "countermeasures to Dems recount plan"?

    Maybe you all need to learn how to play with a team and keep your eyes on the ball.

    Just Sayin'.

    I mean what next? You're defending Plyler vs Doe and using it an an excuse to support public schools being used as "sanctuaries" for illegal aliens, claiming this Supreme Court Ruling prevents the federal government from enforcing US immigration law in schools, and JD2 is all excited about Jill Stein's and Clinton' recount plan, so what's next, anchor babies are actual citizens of the United States and illegal aliens can't be arrested on highways if they have a driver's license or for soliciting work on street corners because it's public property or they can vote in US elections because of the 14th Amendment?

    These are the screwball views of the Democratic Party, MW, that have gotten US into this mess we're in. Come on. It's time to get with our program and purpose here which is to fight the destructive views of the American Immigration Council, the National Education Association, and the Democratic Party, not post and defend their absurd propaganda.
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