Thread: Find a state that will Secede from the Union and I'll move

2ndamendsis

secession wasn't in the Constitution, but neither was it prohibted. They formed the union for our 'common defense and general welfare' -- now it does everything except what it was created for. Our founding fathers did not want future generations to have to fight for independence with bloodshed.

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

Thomas Jefferson said

"Whether we remain in one confederacy, or form into Atlantic and Mississippi confederacies, I believe not very important to the happiness of either part. Those of the Western confederacy will be as much our children & descendants as those of the Eastern."

You're the expert, MAMIE I always learn something from you about the Constitution.

The included something in it because a couple of dudes threatened not to ratify , didn't they?

Originally Posted by swtncgram

How about Hawaii, don't think we would have to worry about Mexico there.

Hi Swtncgram,

I think not, since Hawaii was not a stand alone country prior to statehood, it was a territory or possession.

I used to live there. There are a few movements to succede and restore the monarchy; one is the Nation of Hawaii, led by Dennis (Bumpy) Kanahele of Waimanalo. According to a front page Honolulu Advertiser article a few years ago, Bumpy would mandate that Banks and Mortgage companies would have to leave; haoles who rent would have to leave, haoles who own property would be allowed to stay, all government land would revert to the Nation of Hawaii, and a bunch of other stuff. Bumpy Kanahele is a convicted felon, convicted of harbouring federal fugitives in Waimanalo.

Another effort is led by the Tras (not sure of spelling) sisters of Maui, both are attorneys and PhDs ; they have different ideas to restore the Monarchy, and there's a few other groups.

The basis for restoration of the monarchy is argued to be Bill Clinton's apology for the overthrow of the monarchy, never mind that Pauline Bishop stated that the overthrow was probably for the best anyway. I think it was Pauline Bishop that made that statement; somebody correct me.

To muddy the water even more, there's a lot of consternation over who is eligible to vote in such an election; ie. only people of Hawaiian ancestery, but not haoles, and whether or not it would be legal to exclude haoles (or whether or not even such an [expensive] election would be legal in the first place).

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Yup, it's clear from the Declaration of Independence that secession is an option that EACH State has. To forbid that would violate our liberty. Lincoln was a CRIMINAL. South shall rise again!

http://www.dixierising.com/webring.phtml

Hawaii one day WILL break away from the united states....


As I am from there, there has been numerous efforts to do so from different leaders of the hawaiian community.

but we are not prone to the "invasion" there has been a number of illegals mostly from the phillipines and samoa that come here.

PLUS...hawaiians DO look like Mexicans. I go to college in vegas...and more than once have i been thought to be spanish/hispanic/latino.

Originally Posted by socal

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Yup, it's clear from the Declaration of Independence that secession is an option that EACH State has. To forbid that would violate our liberty. Lincoln was a CRIMINAL. South shall rise again!

http://www.dixierising.com/webring.phtml

The people in the south seem to be the only sensible ones theses days, i hope the south does rise again !

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

You're the expert, MAMIE I always learn something from you about the Constitution.

The included something in it because a couple of dudes threatened not to ratify , didn't they?

thanks but I'm no expert for sure -- just experienced! I learned what I know because of tyranny

Originally Posted by SoCal

Yup, it's clear from the Declaration of Independence that secession is an option that EACH State has. To forbid that would violate our liberty. Lincoln was a CRIMINAL. South shall rise again!

Originally Posted by Reciprocity

The people in the south seem to be the only sensible ones theses days, i hope the south does rise again !

use to it was only the south that said that, I'm glad to know other folks want to join in this time!

SOCAL

Lincoln was a CRIMINAL

This is not necessary nor does everyone agree with you. We're focused on Illegal aliens - not with the n/s split. Don't want to go off into another direction and lose focus.

Someone said, Southern states are the only ones with sense these days? LOL, they're the ones that started this sanctuary city crap and for the most part, doing everything to avoid putting laws into place to stop this mess. No different than the rest of us........all these states are loony, except for Georgia's governor, that is. At least he's got some courage to step out of the pack.

Originally Posted by Reciprocity

The people in the south seem to be the only sensible ones theses days, i hope the south does rise again !

ALL the southern States have a CAUSE to secede, because the federal government FAILED to protect their borders from foreign nationals who cost them $billions in social services and take American jobs. They should start by sending the feds the bill for what illegals cost them, and if they don't pay then file for secession.