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    FLA. Worried voters try to 'unregister' after Trump voter-roll request

    Worried voters try to 'unregister' after Trump voter-roll request

    Donald Trump (Sentinel file)

    Gray Rohrer Contact Reporter Tallahassee Bureau

    TALLAHASSEE — Seminole County Supervisor of Elections Michael Ertel got 15 calls from voters wanting to “unregister” to vote after the state said it would comply with part of a federal commission’s request for voters’ personal data.

    Ultimately, he convinced all who called to stay on the voter rolls.He says concerns over personal data being given to the federal panel are overblown because the state is only giving what is already available to the public.


    “You can’t pick and choose which public-records requests you comply with because you’re not sure about what the person’s going to do with the information,” Ertel said.


    Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner on Thursday wrote to the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity, saying the state couldn’t give partial Social Security numbers, driver’s license information, criminal histories or personal data for police officers, judges and prosecutors because such information was exempt from Florida’s public records laws.


    He said the state will give the commission voters’ names, addresses, date of birth and political party affiliation. It will also provide voter histories — if they voted, and whether they voted in person on Election Day, by early voting or by mail — but not for whom they voted.


    That information is already available to anyone who asks for it. Florida will give the data to the commission based on the voters on the rolls as of June 30, so rescinding voter registration would be useless anyway.


    “It’s too late, you’re on it. And don’t deregister, that’s insane,” said Matthew Isbell, a Tallahassee-based Democratic political consultant. “Your data is already out there. And you don’t like it? Guess what? I’ve got a May file and an April file that has you on it.”


    Ertel said elections officials use the data from voters’ registration forms — names, dates of birth, Social Security numbers — to check for citizenship. Addresses are used to see which elections a voter is qualified to vote in, such as which congressional districts and cities they live in.


    Political parties and consultants obtain much of that information — but not Social Security numbers — to target voters with ads during election season.

    “Every campaign these days is using the voter file,” Isbell said. “They’re using it to build a list of who is early votes, who’s voted in the past, who’s a Democrat, who’s a Republican.”

    Democrats, though, remain wary of what the commission and the Trump administration will do with the information from the states once they get it.

    All three declared Democratic candidates for governor — Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum, former U.S. Rep. Gwen Graham and Winter Park businessman Chris King — called on Gov. Rick Scott not to release at least some of the information to the commission over concerns it will be used to remove voters from the rolls.


    “Ultimately, it’s about legitimizing this commission that we feel is based on pretty fraudulent claims [of voter fraud],” said Gillum spokesman Geoff Burgan. “ We don’t know what [Trump’s] administration is capable of.”


    Ertel, a Republican, thinks both parties will try to take advantage of the commission’s request.


    “Political organizations never let a crisis go to waste, and this is a crisis of confidence in the system,’’ he said. “This is going to be a fund-raising tool for a lot of politicians and so-called nonpartisan organizations.”


    Florida Democrats are especially wary of any voter information being used to kick voters off the rolls because of Scott’s previous efforts to check the voter rolls. In the lead up to the 2012 election, Scott’s review found an initial 180,000 suspicious voters but ended up removing just 85 voters from the roster.


    Using data from the states to crosscheck information to look for dead voters, voters registered in more than one state and voters who aren’t U.S. citizens could produce many instances of potential voter fraud that is actually innocent behavior.


    For instance, voters who move to a different state but don’t inform their previous supervisor of elections will appear registered to vote in two states, but that doesn’t mean they voted in both states. Because Florida attracts so many transplants, snowbirds and retirees, it’s likely the state has plenty of voters registered in another state.


    “When you move from New York to Florida, the top of your priority list is not to contact the New York board of elections and say, ‘Hey I’m no longer here, I live in Florida now,’” Ertel said.


    If the commission were to post a list of voters improperly registered, he said that’s when the local supervisors of elections would have to check to ensure voters aren’t kicked off the rolls in error, just as they did during Scott’s 2012 efforts.


    “In that case, we did our jobs and were able to keep people on the books, and I think that’s what’s going to happen here,” Ertel said.


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    Millions of people move all the time, are probably registered to vote in several States.

    We really need a National Voter ID with Photo Law and database and clean this up.

    Also get the deceased and non-citizens off the roles.

    If voting is a Federal issue...then maybe the Federal government should be handling this and out of the corrupt States registering illegals to vote. Too much fraud and abuse in our voting system now.
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    Palm Beach County voters asking to unregister due to privacy concerns

    by Kristen Chapman



    Privacy concerns have some Palm Beach County voters threatening to give up their right to vote. (WPEC)

    WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (CBS12) — Privacy concerns have some Palm Beach County voters threatening to give up their right to vote.
    The backlash stems from an information request from President Donald Trump's committee to investigate voter fraud.

    While 40 states denied the request Monday, Florida agreed to send information that's already public record. This includes age, birthday and party affiliation.

    On Tuesday, the Sunshine state agreed to refrain from sending any of that information pending a lawsuit.

    However, this hasn't eased the fears of hundreds of residents in Palm Beach County.

    The Supervisor of Elections, Susan Bucher, said they received several dozen calls a day last week.

    "Some people were asking to unregister to vote," she said. "There were lots of calls at the beginning of the week."

    Bucher says many of those callers didn't realize the data is already listed publicly, and Florida Law prevents sharing any private information like social security numbers or driver's licenses.

    Fortunately now, Bucher says most of those calls are subsiding, and there's no cause for alarm.

    "To date we have no evidence anyone has unregistered," Bucher said.

    However, her department will still take action next week. They plan to fight to remove the year of birth on voter I.D. cards from public record.

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    That is a bunch of lies.

    Florida voters want to unregister because they are afraid of getting caught voting illegally or voting as a dead person.
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    Unregistering only takes their name and info off of this month's record and future months' reports.

    It will all still be listed on every monthly report since they first registered. Along with every election they ever voted in.

    No one can delete that info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    Unregistering only takes their name and info off of this month's record and future months' reports.

    It will all still be listed on every monthly report since they first registered. Along with every election they ever voted in.

    No one can delete that info.

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    Fear of releasing personal info prompts SWFL voters to unregister

    Published: July 12, 2017 7:45 PM EDT

    FORT MYERS, Fla. President Donald Trump frequently addressed the idea of a rigged election during his campaign, but his mission to eliminate voter fraud is not having the effect he expected.

    Many Lee County voters are removing their names from the rolls due to prevent the sharing of personal information with Trump’s newly formed Task Force on election integrity.


    “We had two people who literally did remove themselves from the rolls on Monday,” said Vicki Collins, the public information officer for the Lee County Department of Elections. “But we have people inquiring how they can protect their information from being released to the commission.”


    Florida secretary of state Ken Detzer promised to not release the social security and driver’s license numbers required during the voting process.


    “Florida will only be sharing information that is already public record,” he said.


    However, other voters like Steve Hubble feel the request for voter data is justified.


    “I believe we should give them all the information they need,” he said. “We have too many illegal people in this country being able to get illegal documents.”


    The requests for voter data are currently on temporary hold pending a federal judge’s ruling.

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