Thread: George Putnam is saying it's more like 30+ million not 12

Originally Posted by SOSADFORUS

I think it is between 30 and 35 million maybe 40 because they were lying to us to begin with, Just look at all the cities they have almost taken over, just remember there is 300 million of us well subract the other ethnic groups here legally and its more like 250 million American citizens so we have not lost yet.

When it comes down to it this is what has politicians worried

I agree with you about the higher number. Sad to think our politicians have shown to be such liars.

The "10 to 12 million" figure is, verifiably, overly optimistic.

1. The figure was floated by a government with a vested interest in not publicizing evidence of its own negligence in enforcing the law.
2. The figure appeared three years ago, and it assumes no persons have entered the country illegally since then without an equal number leaving. Hogwash.
3. DHS knew the figure was low before they published it in 2004. And here are the facts that the government knew then but doesn't want you to know now, or later.

Between June and September, 2004, as part of the Arizona Border Control Initiative (ABC), the DHS Customs and Border Protection Bureau flew unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV's, reconnaissance drones) along the Arizona-Mexican border near Nogales, AZ. In just three months, in just part of one state, three Hermes 450 drones spotted 853,000 illegal travellers crossing the border at other than Border Patrol checkpoints, according to Paul Olski, director of aviation joint planning and development in the Department of Homeland Security. DHS attributed only 1252 apprehensions to the Hermes and the Hunter UAVs. On Jan. 31, 2005, the program was "grounded for evaluation," probably in embarassment about what it proved... that we have little enforcement of our immigration laws, and that the border is OUT OF CONTROL.

Originally Posted by Marine Inspector

The UAV's spotted 853,000 illegal entrants in the Tucson Sector, yet the Tucson Sector Border Patrol Agents only apprehended 154,800 of those illegal entrants.

Where did the other 698,200 illegal entrants go?

In a 4-month period [3 months, actually], 698,200 illegal aliens made it into the United States, through Arizona alone and no one knows who they are, where they are or why they are here.

How many made it through the other 8 to 9 months? If the numbers stay the same, almost 2 million [more] illegal aliens slipped through the Arizona / Mexico border.

How many made it through California, New Mexico and Texas? Now we're talking another million or so. This is not fantasy; this is reality. This is what the Federal Government does not want you to know.

- Liberty Post or Free Republic

The Border Patrol counted 853,000 illegals crossing into the U.S. during the "season of death," the hottest time to be travelling in the Arizona desert. While the Border Patrol apprehended 154,800 of these, 698,200 disappeared into the U.S. without being caught.

853,000 is neither a guess nor an estimate. 853,000 is a hard number counted by DHS for three months in just one busy sector, and those three UAVs were not flying 24/7. 154,800 is a hard number apprehended by the Border Patrol in the Tucson Sector during those three months. 698,200 is a hard number of illegal aliens who slipped through. That is a fact.

I estimate that the 2004 total for the Tucson Sector is about four times that number. The fall season is a much easier traversal, encouraging a larger number than the summer. From Christmas to Easter is a time when Latino Catholics would prefer to be at home, discouraging travel. Spring is the peak time for illegal entry, because non-agricultural work is most plentiful for the next several months. So I estimate 2.8 million illegal aliens entered and escaped through the Tucson Sector in 2004. To say that the other eight sectors combined allowed only 2.8 million illegal entrants is not even reasonable, but in the absence of similar hard numbers for those sectors, let's call it that.

To sum up, I estimate that roughly 5.6 million illegal aliens came into the U.S. during 2004. Some stayed; some went home for Christmas. But the number increased dramatically in 2005, perhaps by 25%. In April, 2006, sightings in Texas were up 60% over October, 2005, probably in expectation of some form of amnesty. So I estimate about 11.2 million illegal aliens will enter the U.S. across the Mexican border during 2006, double the 2004 number.

That certainly exposes as "disinformazion" the often-heard "11 million illegal aliens in the U.S.," which the mainstream media would like you to believe. Given the above calculations, it may be three times that, which would be supported both by the impact on the labor market and by the recent demonstrations (followed by riots in Los Angeles on the night of May 1st).

Bear Stearns investment group estimated 20 million illegal aliens at the beginning of 2006. In their book, Minutemen: The Battle to Secure America's Borders, Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Minuteman Project, and Jerome Corsi estimated 30 million in mid-2006. Given the hard numbers above, I estimate about 31.2 million illegal aliens were in the U.S. at the end of 2006 and at least 33 million illegal aliens in country on May 24, 2007.

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[quote=MinutemanCDC_SC]The "10 to 12 million" figure is, verifiably, overly optimistic.

1. The figure was floated by a government with a vested interest in not publicizing evidence of its own negligence in enforcing the law.
2. The figure appeared three years ago, and it assumes no persons have entered the country illegally since then without an equal number leaving. Hogwash.
3. DHS knew the figure was low before they published it in 2004. And here are the facts that the government knew then but doesn't want you to know now, or later.

Between June and September, 2004, as part of the Arizona Border Control Initiative (ABC), the DHS Customs and Border Protection Bureau flew unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV's, reconnaissance drones) along the Arizona-Mexican border near Nogales, AZ. In just three months, in just part of one state, three Hermes 450 drones spotted 853,000 illegal travellers crossing the border at other than Border Patrol checkpoints, according to Paul Olski, director of aviation joint planning and development in the Department of Homeland Security. DHS attributed only 1252 apprehensions to the Hermes and the Hunter UAVs. On Jan. 31, 2005, the program was "grounded for evaluation," probably in embarassment about what it proved... that we have little enforcement of our immigration laws, and that the border is OUT OF CONTROL.

Originally Posted by "Marine Inspector":2eq2txgg

The UAV's spotted 853,000 illegal entrants in the Tucson Sector, yet the Tucson Sector Border Patrol Agents only apprehended 154,800 of those illegal entrants.

Where did the other 698,200 illegal entrants go?

In a 4-month period [3 months, actually], 698,200 illegal aliens made it into the United States, through Arizona alone and no one knows who they are, where they are or why they are here.

How many made it through the other 8 to 9 months? If the numbers stay the same, almost 2 million [more] illegal aliens slipped through the Arizona / Mexico border.

How many made it through California, New Mexico and Texas? Now we're talking another million or so. This is not fantasy; this is reality. This is what the Federal Government does not want you to know.

- Liberty Post or Free Republic

The Border Patrol counted 853,000 illegals crossing into the U.S. during the "season of death," the hottest time to be travelling in the Arizona desert. While the Border Patrol apprehended 154,800 of these, 698,200 disappeared into the U.S. without being caught.

853,000 is neither a guess nor an estimate. 853,000 is a hard number counted by DHS for three months in just one busy sector, and those three UAVs were not flying 24/7. 154,800 is a hard number apprehended by the Border Patrol in the Tucson Sector during those three months. 698,200 is a hard number of illegal aliens who slipped through. That is a fact.

I estimate that the 2004 total for the Tucson Sector is about four times that number. The fall season is a much easier traversal, encouraging a larger number than the summer. From Christmas to Easter is a time when Latino Catholics would prefer to be at home, discouraging travel. Spring is the peak time for illegal entry, because non-agricultural work is most plentiful for the next several months. So I estimate 2.8 million illegal aliens entered and escaped through the Tucson Sector in 2004. To say that the other eight sectors combined allowed only 2.8 million illegal entrants is not even reasonable, but in the absence of similar hard numbers for those sectors, let's call it that.

To sum up, I estimate that roughly 5.6 million illegal aliens came into the U.S. during 2004. Some stayed; some went home for Christmas. But the number increased dramatically in 2005, perhaps by 25%. In April, 2006, sightings in Texas were up 60% over October, 2005, probably in expectation of some form of amnesty. So I estimate about 11.2 million illegal aliens will enter the U.S. across the Mexican border during 2006, double the 2004 number.

That certainly exposes as "disinformazion" the often-heard "11 million illegal aliens in the U.S.," which the mainstream media would like you to believe. Given the above calculations, it may be three times that, which would be supported both by the impact on the labor market and by the recent demonstrations (followed by riots in Los Angeles on the night of May 1st).

Bear Stearns investment group estimated 20 million illegal aliens at the beginning of 2006. In their book, Minutemen: The Battle to Secure America's Borders, Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Minuteman Project, and Jerome Corsi estimated 30 million in mid-2006. Given the hard numbers above, I estimate about 31.2 million illegal aliens were in the U.S. at the end of 2006 and at least 33 million illegal aliens in country on May 24, 2007.[/quote:2eq2txgg]

We all know the truth on these boards that the number is a lot higher. But unfortunately most of the country believes the lies that the media and the politicians keep feeding them. I want to scream out to these people the truth! Their government is lying to them!