Thread: I need to disprove La Raza & Mecha and need help!

Yesterday I sent the SPLC an E-mail asking them why they did not mention La Raza, Mecha, LULAC on their list of "Racist Groups" ! http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp

Interesting enough there is NOT one entry where there is any mention of a Latino based hate group other than Voz de Aztlan.

Today I got this response back from one of the people there, read it and then help me locate statements where La Raza & Mecha and other "Groups" are actually forming Hate groups! I need details, quotes and links please to fire back to SPLC with a Verifiable response!

Ken,

This is what our Intelligence Project director said to someone who raised
this with us:

We do list the Voz de Aztlan as a hate website. We don't list it as a group
because it really isn't -- there's no real group, just the site.

We don't agree about La Raza. In fact, that group has been nonracist in its
politics and endeavors, despite the name. When we list groups as hate
groups, we do so on the basis of what their ideology is, as seen in their
official writings and the writings and speeches of their leaders. We just
don't find that in the case of La Raza or MECHA.
Hope this helps.

Penny Weaver
Southern Poverty Law Center
400 Washington Ave.
Montgomery, Alabama 36104
www.splcenter.org
334/956-8200

Note, the last line here in the quote, we need Official writings and speaches from their leaders!

I know we can get this information, just please post it here online, and verify your links!

I am after is FACTUAL statements from the leaders or membership of these groups that can be used as FACTUAL evidence on the positions they take against America, and people of America (USA).

Not just postings from someones web site who takes the liberty to interpret what is being said....

I want QUOTES and Links to those Quotes.

Here is an example of what I was looking for, I have taken the LIBERTY to make an example of how one sided this whole argument really is.

In the following paragraphs I have CHANGED words like Spanish to English, La Raza to Caucasian and so forth...You will get the picture when you read it.

The objective here is to show how one sided this argument really is, and how racist the groups like Mecha, La Raza really are....

If you are not offended by the following statement, you don't get what I am trying to say...

PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS IS NOT A REAL STATEMENT, IT IS MERELY A SPIN ON WHAT LA RAZA HAS ACTUALLY SAID.

My name is John Smith, president of the National Council of White Americans, a nonpartisan civil rights organization working with three hundred local community-based organizations to improve opportunities for the nation's 300 million Caucasians. A recent poll commissioned by the National Council of White Americans confirmed that, despite our diversity, Caucasians have a shared public policy agenda. Like all Americans, we desire a government that stays off our backs, but stands by our side. Caucasians believe in a fair government that guarantees equal opportunity for all by reducing discrimination in employment, housing, health care, and education by ending racial profiling -- by making sure working families, and not just the wealthy, get a tax cut. Caucasians want a humane government that maintains our traditions as a nation of immigrants by passing the Dream Act so that immigrant children can attend college. By enacting the AGJOBS bill to provide better wages and conditions for farm workers. By working toward comprehensive immigration reform, including an earned legalization program.
Caucasians need a compassionate government that helps people in difficult circumstances get back on their feet by providing job training to those who need it, by working toward a health care system that works for everybody, by passing the Immigrant Children's Health Improvement Act, and by increasing support for home ownership programs, and other asset-building strategies.
Caucasians support a smart government that invests wisely in its young people today to ensure our country's economic prosperity tomorrow by making preschool universal so all kids start school ready to learn by fully funding the No Child Left Behind Act, so all students, rich or poor, get the same opportunities, by supporting community-based education programs, to prevent dropouts and help those who do fall through the cracks.
Above all Caucasians Americans want to live in a society where they are judged by their actions not by their accents. Unfortunately, our poll shows that nearly two-thirds of Caucasians do not believe that candidates are addressing the issues that concern them most. But be forewarned, we will not be inspired by message alone. A few phrases in English won't work anymore. Promises can be broken in French as well as in English. Like other Americans, Caucasians will vote on issues-for candidates who deliver. And, like other Americans, we will hold elected officials and all political parties accountable for actions, not just words.
Caucasians Americans believe in the American dream. We are determined to make it real for all Americans.

Here is the link to the real link also
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/con ... es_speech/

I know we all know that they are a racist group just for Hispanics, but I want to have actual information so I can persuade the Wacko SPLC to list them as a Hate group!
This way the groups that FUND them will back off from funding these groups! It's kinda like reverse follow the money theme.

If we can reduce the $$$ they get we can be more effective in denouncing what they are really about, and shame those people & companies who give them $$$.

Ken

http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-87569-days0 ... sc-25.html

Since you are in contact with the agency already, I would like to know how Hector Carreon, so-called publisher of La Voz de Aztlan, served on the Los Angeles County Voting Rights Advisory Committee!

The article: The USA Democracy Facade
http://www.aztlan.net/electoralfraud.htm

Exert:

Our publisher, Hector Carreon, wondered about the above questions when ballots were still counted through IBM punch cards and while he served on the Los Angeles County Voting Rights Advisory Committee. As a member of the advisory committee under the chairmanship of then Registrar-Recorder Leonard Panish, Mr. Carreon became aware of the great potential for the massive rigging of electoral results in Los Angeles County. Hector Carreon had access, up to a point, into the vast voting operations in charge of collecting and counting the millions of punch cards turned in by the voters of LA County at hundreds of precincts. The operation involved the collection of the ballots by specially selected squads of Los Angeles County Sheriff's and their transport by squad vehicles and helicopters to the Downey, California plant of then Rockwell International, a defense weapons and principal contractor for the Space Shuttle.

Fences make good neighbors.

Mecha's Goals & Objectives:
http://www.nationalmecha.org/philosophy ... anizations


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The Philosophy of Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán
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Preface

Historical Foundation


MEChA.Philosophy
The Challenge of The Future
Each MEChista's Responsibility
MEChA Structure

Campus MEChA
Affiliation
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Statewide
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MEChA Goals & Objectives

MEChA's Relationship to Outside Organizations

Overview
National Pride
Historical Examples of Infiltration into MEChA
Forming Coalitions on Principle
Preface
Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán (M.E.Ch.A) hereby establishes the following principles based on our knowledge, ideas and opinions to enhance the progress of M.E.Ch.A. In order to have an understanding of M.E.Ch.A., we bring forth this document to guide Mechistas in their principles, values and conduct.

Historical Foundation
The Chicano Movement of the late 1960's helped spark cultural and historical pride in our people. Chicanas/Chicanos demanded to be treated as equals and denounced acculturation and assimilation. Brown pride began to express itself through poetry, literature, art and theater. The contributions of the Chicano Movement are numerous and continue to be very valuable to our society.

Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán (M.E.Ch.A.) is a student organization that promotes higher education, cultura, and historia. M.E.Ch.A. was founded on the principles of self-determination for the liberation of our people. We believe that political involvement and education is the avenue for change in our society.

In March of 1969, at Denver, Colorado the Crusade for Justice organized the National Chicano Youth Conference that drafted the basic premises for the Chicana/Chicano Movement in El Plan de Aztlán (EPA). A synopsis of El Plan stipulates: 1) We are Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán reclaiming the land of our birth (Chicana/Chicano Nation); 2) Aztlán belongs to indigenous people, who are sovereign and not subject to a foreign culture; 3) We are a union of free pueblos forming a bronze (Chicana/Chicano) Nation; 4) Chicano nationalism, as the key to mobilization and organization, is the common denominator to bring consensus to the Chicana/Chicano Movement; 5) Cultural values strengthen our identity as La Familia de La Raza; and 6) EPA, as a basic plan of Chicana/Chicano liberation, sought the formation of an independent national political party that would represent the sentiments of the Chicana/Chicano community.

In April of 1969 over 100 Chicanas/Chicanos came together at UC Santa Barbara to formulate a plan for higher education: El Plan de Santa Barbara. With this document they were successful in the development of two very important contributions to the Chicano Movement: Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán (M.E.Ch.A.) and Chicano Studies.

The fundamental principles that led to the founding of Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán are found in El Plan de Santa Barbara (EPSB). The Manifesto of EPSB sees self-determination for the Chicana/Chicano community as the only acceptable way for our people to gain socioeconomic justice. El Plan argues that a strong nationalist identity is a necessary step in building a program of self-determination. Self-determination, in this regard, challenges those involved in principle struggle to respect the rights of all Chicano and Chicanos. EPSB stresses that in organizing M.E.Ch.A. every opportunity must be taken to educate Raza. At the same time, El Plan exhorts Mechistas to preserve Chicana/Chicano culture in this culturally diverse society, both in community and on campus. Thus, a Chicana/Chicano Nation is a necessity defined as an educational, socioeconomic, and empowered Chicana/Chicano community. The Manifesto of EPSB warns us in part:

We recognize that without a strategic use of education, an education that places value on what we value, we will not realize our destiny. Chicanos [and Chicanas] recognize the central importance of institutions of higher learning to model progress, in this case, to the development of our community. But, we go further: we believe that higher education must contribute to the formation of a complete man [and woman] who truly values life and freedom. (p.10) EPSB

Both El Plan de Aztlán (EPA) and El Plan de Santa Barbara (EPSB) served as the historical foundation for the establishment of a viable Chicana/Chicano Movimiento and are therefore fundamental to the M.E.Ch.A. Philosophy.

M.E.Ch.A.'s Philosophy
The Chicana/Chicano student movement has been plagued by opportunists that have sought to rechannel the energies of our people and divert us from our struggle for self determination. The educational plight of Chicana and Chicano students continues to be ignored by insensitive administrators. Overall, Chicana/Chicano junior high, high school and college pushout rates have risen since 1969, forcing many Chicanas and Chicanos to a life of poverty. These factors along with a growing right wing trend in the nation are combining to work greater hardships on Chicanas and Chicanos. New repressive and racist immigration laws are continuously directed at our Gente. Along with this, the current administration has started the process of dismantling Affirmative Action and Civil Rights protections. Just as Hispanics seeks to deny our indigenous heritage, so does Latino. The terms Hispanic and Latino further ignore our unique socioeconomic and historical aspects of our Chicana/Chicano Gente. This cannot be ignored. We cannot coin terms for unity sake when these terms fail to fully represent our diverse communities. Chicanismo does not seek to use the word "Chicano" as an umbrella term when representing all of "La Familia de La Raza". Rather, Chicanismo seeks to educate our barrios and campos about our history y cultura to further create a movement of self-determination for the Liberation of Aztlán, something that Hispanic and Latino has yet to represent or recognize. These factors have made it necessary for Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán to affirm our philosophy of liberation (i.e. educational, socio-economic, and political empowerment) for our Chicana/Chicano Nation.

We, as Mechistas, see the process of Chicanismo as evolutionary. We recognize that no one is born politically Chicana or Chicano. Chicanismo results from a decision based on a political consciousness for our Raza, to dedicate oneself to building a Chicana/Chicano Nation. Chicanismo is a concept that integrates self-awareness with cultural identity, a necessary step in developing political consciousness. Therefore the term Chicano is grounded in a philosophy, not a nationality. Chicanismo does not exclude anyone, rather it includes those who acknowledge and work toward the betterment of La Raza.

Chicanismo involves a personal decision to reject assimilation and work towards the preservation of our cultural heritage. Recognizing that all people are potential Chicanas and Chicanos, we encourage those interested in developing a total commitment to our movement for self-determination for the people of Aztlán to join Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán.

Thus, by all means necessary, We Chicana/Chicano estudiantes or Aztlán, dedicate ourselves to taking our educational destiny into our own hands through the process of spreading Chicanismo, in the spirit of carnalismo.

M.E.Ch.A. is committed to ending the cultural tyranny suffered at the hands of institutional and systematic discrimination that holds our Gente captive. We seek an end to oppression and exploitation of the Chicano/Chicana community.

As Mechistas, we proclaim that we are the people of Aztlán and that we recognize our indigenous unity with our brothers and sisters of Ixachitzlan (Alaska to Tierra del Fuego). We declare that we are the descendants of El Quinto Sol. Our fundamental drive is to organize and challenge Chicana/Chicano estudiantes to maintain self-respect and dignity to overcome historical prejudices and discrimination against the Chicana and Chicano Gente. The historic mission of M.E.Ch.A. involves an educational plan of action that builds an educational ladder for the advancement of our people. Recognizing that the strength of our movement is rooted in our barrios, M.E.Ch.A. pledges itself to reach out to the community and schools, to establish new educational opportunities. We also recognize that our M.E.Ch.A. chapters are much stronger when they are rooted in and accountable to the Chicana/Chicano community. Consequently, We, Mechistas commit ourselves to return to our community and contribute to the development of the Chicana/Chicano Nation.

The Challenge of the Future
Despite growing repression and a lack of progress by our people in this society, we must be optimistic. As, M.E.Ch.A., we must accept the challenge to combat all forms of oppression, and manifestations as experienced through racism, sexism, and homophobia, both inside and outside of our Movement, in order to better develop a more meaningful educational plan of action (refer to Goals and Objectives). Advocating an educational revolution, we recognize that our bullets are our books and our victories are an increase in Chicana/Chicano graduates committed to our people's progress. We, as Mechistas must dismantle the co-optation of Raza students from becoming "corporate Hispanics" claiming to be leaders of our community with no understanding of El Pueblo Chicano. Instead, M.E.Ch.A. seeks to train future community leaders to be consciously committed to serve the people of Aztlán.

M.E.Ch.A. also supports Chicana and Chicano worker struggles to abolish economic and political exploitation. In the final analysis, we recognize that the destiny of the movement will be determined by each Mechista accepting responsibility for carrying the Movement forward.

Each MEChista's Responsibility
Accepting our responsibility for the Movement requires self-discipline and understanding that our behavior becomes a reflection of M.E.Ch.A. For this reason, we must be consistent in our thinking and our actions. Rationalizing our inconsistency and accountability. Mechistas in leadership roles setting poor examples only betray the Movement. Since we are seeking the freedom of our people, our motivation should be high, recognizing the need to commit ourselves fully for the sake of La Causa.

Finally, as Mechistas, we vow to work for the liberation of Aztlán, leading to socioeconomic and political justice for our Gente. M.E.Ch.A. then, is more than a name; it is a spirit of unity by comadrismo/carnalismo, and a resolution to undertake a struggle for liberation! Tierra y Libertad!

http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/00W/chicano101-1/aztlan.htm


El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan
In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.
We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent.
Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner "gabacho" who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan.
Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.


Program
El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan sets the theme that the Chicanos (La Raza de Bronze) must use their nationalism as the key or common denominator for mass mobilization and organization. Once we are committed to the idea and philosophy of El Plan de Aztlan, we can only conclude that social, economic, cultural, and political independence is the only road to total liberation from oppression, exploitation, and racism. Our struggle then must be for the control of our barrios, campos, pueblos, lands, our economy, our culture, and our political life. El Plan commits all levels of Chicano society-the barrio, the campo, the ranchero, the writer, the teacher, the worker, the professional-to La Causa.

Nationalism
Nationalism as the key to organization transcends all religious, political, class, and economic factions or boundaries. Nationalism is the common denominator that all members of La Raza can agree upon.


Organizational Goals
1. UNITY in the thinking of our people concerning the barrios, the pueblo, the campo, the land, the poor, the middle class, the professional - all committed to the liberation of La Raza.

2. ECONOMY: economic control of our lives and our communities can only come about by driving the exploiter out of our communities, our pueblos, and our lands and by controlling and developing our own talents, sweat and resources. Cultural background and values which ignore materialism and embrace humanism will contribute to the act of cooperative buying and the distribution of resources and production to sustain an economic base for healthy growth and development. Lands rightfully ours will be fought for and defended. Land and realty ownership will be acquired by the community for the people's welfare. Economic ties of responsibility must be secured by nationalism and the Chicano defense units.

3. EDUCATION must be relative to our people, i.e., history, culture, bilingual education, contributions, etc. Community control of our schools, our teachers, our administrators, our counselors, and our programs.

4. INSTITUTIONS shall serve our people by providing the service necessary for a full life and their welfare on the basis of restitution, not handouts or beggar's crumbs. Restitution for past economic slavery, political exploitation, ethnic and cultural psychological destruction and denial of civil and human rights. Institutions In our community which do not serve the people have no place in the community. The institutions belong to the people.

5. SELF-DEFENSE of the community must rely on the combined strength of the people. The front line defense will come from the barrios, the campos, the pueblos, and the ranchitos. Their involvement as protectors of their people will be given respect and dignity. They in turn offer their responsibility and their lives for their people. Those who place themselves in the front ranks for their people do so out of love and carnalismo. Those institutions which are fattened by our brothers to provide employment and political pork barrels for the gringo will do so only as acts of liberation and for La Causa. For the very young there will no longer be acts of juvenile delinquency, but revolutionary acts.

6. CULTURAL values of our people strengthen our identity and the moral backbone of the movement. Our culture unites and educates the family of La Raza towards liberation with one heart and one mind. We must insure that our writers, poets, musicians, and artists produce literature and art that is appealing to our people and relates to our revolutionary culture. Our cultural values of life, family, and home will serve as a powerful weapon to defeat the gringo dollar value system and encourage the process of love and brotherhood.

7. POLITICAL LIBERATION can only come through independent action on our part since the two-party system is the same animal with two heads that feed from the same trough. Where we are a majority, we will control; where we are a minority, we will represent a pressure group; nationally, we will represent one party: La Familia de La Raza!

Action

1. Awareness and distribution of El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan. Presented at every meeting, demonstration, confrontation, courthouse, institution, administration, church, school, tree, building, car, and every place of human existence.

2. September 16, on the birthdate of Mexican Independence, a national walk-out by all Chicanos of all colleges and schools to be sustained until the complete revision of the educational system: its policy makers, administration, its curriculum, and Its personnel to meet the needs of our community.

3. Self-defense against the occupying forces of the oppressors at every school, every available man, woman, and child.

4. Community nationalization and organization of all Chicanos: El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan.

5. Economic program to drive the exploiter out of our community and a welding together of our people's combined resources to control their own production through cooperative effort.

6. Creation of an independent local, regional, and national political party.

A nation autonomous and free -culturally, socially, economically, and politically-will make its own decisions on the usage of our lands, the taxation of our goods, the utilization of our bodies for war, the determination of justice (reward and punishment), and the profit of our sweat.

El Plan de Aztlan is the plan of liberation!

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={6FB2A4C0-34A2-49EC-8268-EAFC469D7242}

Mexican Anti-Americanism in America

An article from 2002 on the reconquista movement and mentions Mecha & Mladef, among others

The mexica movement is another group that's not listed on the SPLC's website. The mexica movement website is the most hateful website I've ever been to.

The hate group MUST have a membership, and have meetings, and display a public presence.

Anybody can create a web site that promotes any agenda....

I need Real groups, and real hate speeches and links to them.

Ken

Audio clips : http://ccir.net/AUDIO/TakeoverOfAmericaCD/Menu.html


Jose Angel Gutierrez was awarded the "National Council of La Raza's Chicano Hero Award in 1994."

"We have an aging white America. . . . They are dying. . . . They are ******** in their pants with fear! I love it!" "We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."Reference is MSE HTML source doc: URL http://www.stoptheinvasion.com/racism5.html

And since 1970, he has professed, "Our devil has pale skin and blue eyes."



Hope these help.

What about all the clips on Youtube showing La Raza and their groups spouting hate during their protests and marches.

Originally Posted by kdreger

The hate group MUST have a membership, and have meetings, and display a public presence.

Anybody can create a web site that promotes any agenda....

I need Real groups, and real hate speeches and links to them.

Ken

Mecha is present at many college campuses and is very public presence.