Thread: I really just want to give it all back...

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

Over my dead body.
W

I'm with you, W.

We need leaders and law makers who will be tough on the Mexican government, and tough on any of the other foreign governments for sending their ppl here illegally. And leaders who are not in the pockets of corporate America., and who are looking out for the American people and our interests.

Well said CC!

I would add we also need leaders and law makers who will take a discerning eye on legal immigration and understand what works and what doesn't. We can not save the world. We can do much and we can invite some but not all are good for America. Limits on what we can absorb at any one time and only those who truly wish to be American!

Cracking down on employers who hire them with huge fines and jail time, deporting the illegals, jailing them when they cross the border illegally, cutting them off from our welfare programs, and reinterpreting the 14th Ammendment, which is being used as a tool for Illegals Aliens to anchor their positions here in the United States.

Amen again and No Amnesty! If we grant amnesty it is over. No matter what numbers they use as to who gets amnesty it will ALWAYS be much more. Chain migration becomes huge not to mention if the rules aren't rigid it will encourage even more. The will be no second chance to get this right. The numbers will ultimately work against us.

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

Over my dead body. That's treason.

Americangirl, have you not heard what they are saying? Have you not read the signs they hold?

They are saying "It's our continent! We're taking it back." They want us dead or gone.

I cannot believe anyone here would advocate giving them the SW. The only sliver of land in America I would be willing to give them is Hollywood, CA!

Please try to avoid making anymore, "I surrender" posts here.

W

ALIPAC/William

Haven't you figured me out by now? I was trying to make a point that what they're saying about taking back the U.S. makes absolutely no sense. Guess I didn't come across the way I wanted to.

americangirl

More land? Why? They would just bring it into poverty as they have done with their own country.

They have been programmed to act like this by a socialist government and those wanting a new world order or both or there must be something really bad in the water in Mexico. This is the most insane thing!

I will give them back what is theirs - a one way trip back to Mexico, with their anchor babies and "you owe me attitude". And they can take our crooked politicians with them.


Why don't they take back Mexico from their crooked Government?? If they were so strong they would have done it in the first place instead of looking for a free ride.

They want it all! We need to take care of the problem.
Our officials need to know that if they betray us...we are going to remember them as soon as they come up for re-election. So ...they can either draw a line in the sand and stand with the American people...or if they continually betray us...we will make sure they are out of office...SOONER OR LATER!

You've gotta love what they'have done with Mexico. Nuevo Laredo especially.

Swatchick, tell me again what was so great about the Aztecs? They were paganistic, brutal, sick people. Wonderful, not much has changed in Mexico has it, considering the headlines of the recent beheadings and killings of pregnant women over drug territories!!

Skulls and bones from the Tecuaque archeological site near Mexico City show about 550 victims had their hearts ripped out by Aztec priests in ritual offerings, and were dismembered or had their bones boiled or scraped clean, experts say.

The findings support accounts of Aztecs capturing and killing a caravan of Spanish conquistadors and local men, women and children traveling with them in revenge for the murder of Cacamatzin, king of the Aztec empire's No. 2 city of Texcoco.

Experts say the discovery proves some Aztecs did resist the conquistadors led by explorer Hernan Cortes, even though history books say most welcomed the white-skinned horsemen in the belief they were returning Aztec gods.

"This is the first place that has so much evidence there was resistance to the conquest," said archeologist Enrique Martinez, director of the dig at Calpulalpan in Tlaxcala state, near Texcoco.

"It shows it wasn't all submission. There was a fight."

The caravan was apparently captured because it was made up mostly of the mulatto, mestizo, Maya Indian and Caribbean men and women given to the Spanish as carriers and cooks when they landed in Mexico in 1519, and so was moving slowly.

The prisoners were kept in cages for months while Aztec priests from what is now Mexico City selected a few each day at dawn, held them down on a sacrificial slab, cut out their hearts and offered them up to various Aztec gods.

Some may have been given hallucinogenic mushrooms or pulque -- an alcoholic milky drink made from fermented cactus juice -- to numb them to what was about to happen.

Teeth marks
"It was a continuous sacrifice over six months. While the prisoners were listening to their companions being sacrificed, the next ones were being selected," Martinez said, standing in his lab amid boxes of bones, some of young children.

"You can only imagine what it was like for the last ones, who were left six months before being chosen, their anguish."

The priests and town elders, who performed the rituals on the steps of temples cut off by a perimeter wall, sometimes ate their victims' raw and bloody hearts or cooked flesh from their arms and legs once it dropped off the boiling bones.

Knife cuts and even teeth marks on the bones show which ones had meat stripped off to be eaten, Martinez said.

Some pregnant women in the group had their unborn babies stabbed inside their bellies as part of the ritual.

In Aztec times the site was called Zultepec, a town of white-stucco temples and homes where some 5,000 people grew maize and beans and produced pulque to sell to traders.

Priests had to be brought in for the ritual killings because human sacrifices had never before taken place there, Martinez said.

On hearing of the months-long massacre, Cortes renamed the town Tecuaque -- meaning "where people were eaten" in the indigenous Nahuatl language -- and sent an army to wipe out its people.

When they heard the Spanish were coming, the Zultepec Aztecs threw their victims' possessions down wells, unwittingly preserving buttons and jewelry for the archeologists.

The team, which began work here in 1990, also found remains of domestic animals brought from Spain, like goats and pigs.

"They hid all the evidence," said Martinez. "Thanks to that act, we have been allowed to discover a chapter we were unaware of in the conquest of Mexico."

Their cannabilistic part was evil but they had a markets, trades people, an somewhat advanced water system which was used by for trade, and a stable economy. There was no real poverty as there is today in Mexico until Cortes and company took over.