Thread: Illegals could get billions in social security

Illegal Workers Could Receive Billions When Bush Signs Social Security Agreement with Mexico
6/29/2006 8:00:00

To: National Desk

Contact: Brad Phillips, 202-776-0640, for TREA Senior Citizens League

WASHINGTON, June 29 /U.S. Newswire/ -- TREA Senior Citizens League filed two Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuits in U.S. District Court this morning after numerous refusals over three years by the U.S. Department of State and Social Security Administration to provide a draft of, or virtually any pertinent information regarding, the impact of the Totalization Agreement with Mexico on the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund.The Totalization Agreement could allow millions of illegal Mexican workers to draw billions of dollars from the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund. The agreement between the U.S. and Mexico was signed in June 2004, and is awaiting President Bush's signature. Many critics believe he intends to sign it shortly after the 2006 midterm elections.


Once President Bush approves the agreement, which would be done without congressional vote, either house would have 60 days to disapprove the agreement by voting to reject it.

Under the Totalization Agreement, millions of illegal Mexicans working in the United States today could claim benefits from the Social Security Trust Fund for work performed while in the United States illegally. They could do so through immigration amnesty, through which they could claim past Social Security payments for illegal work. They could also potentially return to Mexico and claim credits for illegal work in the United States.
"We are outraged that our government won't tell us how much they plan to take out of the Social Security Trust Fund to pay for the Totalization Agreement with Mexico, and we want to know what they're hiding," said Ralph McCutchen, chairman of the TREA Senior Citizens League.

The U.S. currently has 21 similar agreements in effect with other nations, which are intended to eliminate dual taxation for persons who work outside their country of origin. All of the agreements are with developed nations with economies similar to that of the U.S.

But Mexico's retirement system is radically different, since only 40 percent of non-government workers participate, as opposed to 96 percent of America's workers. In addition, the U.S. system is progressive, meaning lower wage earners get back much more than they put in; in Mexico, workers get back only what they put in, plus accrued interest.

"The Social Security Trust Fund should be for Americans in their retirement years. I vigorously oppose a Totalization Agreement with Mexico, which would allow millions of illegal Mexicans to access those funds," said Rep. Virgil Goode (R-Va.).


The original FOIA request, filed in August 2003, as well as all subsequent requests, demanded a copy of the actual agreement, as well as other relevant documents, including those showing the financial impact the agreement with Mexico would have on the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund. Despite numerous attempts to ascertain such information, the State Department and Social Security Administration steadfastly refused to provide virtually any relevant documents.

According to the Social Security Administration, the Social Security Trust Fund will begin paying out more than it is taking in by 2017, and will be exhausted by the year 2040.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/read ... Num=147993


My understanding from Fox News is that they could began after only 18 months of work in the U.S.
Have Bush lost his mind again?

Fox News is doing a good job this morning bringing this out into the open.

Dumb questions here....


Everything I have read indicates that the current funds being paid into the account are used to honor the current committment and that excess funds are used on other expenses incurred by this administration. The SS program is defunct. There is no Social Security Trust so who is paying these billions to the illegals? hmmmmmmmm could it be the same people paying for the dissolution of the United States? Could it be part of the bate and switch being perpetrated on the Mexicans coming across the border?

My understanding from Fox News is that they can collect only after working in the U.S. for 18 months. And could received no benefits from the work they have done prior in Mexico. My question is; can they collect from the stolen social security numbers they have worked under.

Money that should be going for our elderly. For shame!

My question is; can they collect from the stolen social security numbers they have worked under.

THAT is a provacative question.

They don't seem to have the ability to discern if more than one person is reporting on the same number or at a minimum they don't have the ablity to notify the victim.

But you can be damn sure skippy that when it comes to writing out checks they WILL have the ability and will only pay one. The question is which one? Can you imagine the night mare for an elderly person?

Amnesty will give enormous benefits at the expense of U.S. citizens.
Those who retire or become disabled and have not paid enough into social security, if any, will qualify for SSI and full medicaid, (medical, dental, glasses and medication, food stamps) subsidized housing, and other benefits like; rental rebates, energy assistance, cable discount, telephone discount, food bank and U.S. commodities and if in Reno a sever rebate and the list goes on and on. Amnesty will provide this to all whether they have paid into social security or not. This alone will destroy American, not to mention other benefits to low income wage earners and families of anchor babies.
What scares me the most is I do not believe that there is anything we can do to prevent this. It is already happening.

Dyehard........ ARE you serious? with that list of benefits?????????

It is already happening.

Well in my mind it has already happened. We are in the final transition. All that is left is to collapse the dollar and replace it with the Amero.

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quote="xanadu"]Dyehard........ ARE you serious? with that list of benefits?????????

[quote:1d83dec1]It is already happening.

Well in my mind it has already happened. We are in the final transition. All that is left is to collapse the dollar and replace it with the Amero.[/quote:1d83dec1][/quote]

Oh, I forgot the benefits to disables or the mental retarded children of illegals are already receiving benefits through "Family Ties"
"2004 Benefit Checklist for Older Washoe County

http://www.co.washoe.nv.us/seniorsrv

Originally Posted by dyehard39

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quote="xanadu"]Dyehard........ ARE you serious? with that list of benefits?????????

[quote:1dmkldw2]It is already happening.

Well in my mind it has already happened. We are in the final transition. All that is left is to collapse the dollar and replace it with the Amero.

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Oh, I forgot the benefits to disables or the mental retarded children of illegals are already receiving benefits through "Family Ties"
"2004 Benefit Checklist for Older Washoe County Residents"

http://www.co.washoe.nv.us/seniorsrv[/quote]