Thread: "The jobs no american will do" and Welfare.

Is it just me, or if we reformed welfare the old argument "they are doing jobs no American will do" will be moot.

If every able bodied American was denied welfare don't you think Americans will be glad to have those jobs. If people can get more from welfare then working, what incentive do they have to work..

Yes, but I think the best argument against this baseless argument is that Americans are doing the jobs that illegals do and in very high #s. It is only the border states that have jobs dominated by illegals. These jobs don't have to pay peanuts. They should pay whatever rate American citizens are willing to work for. Without illegals depressing the wages these jobs would attract a lot of Americans, not just from the welfare line. Add to that, teenagers and college students.

Well, the 'doing the jobs Americans won't do is not an argument - it is just another of their untruths.

Someone - yes, Some Americans, were doing these jobs when they came.

I saw Americans loose their jobs -

Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic

Yes, but I think the best argument against this baseless argument is that Americans are doing the jobs that illegals do and in very high #s. It is only the border states that have jobs dominated by illegals. These jobs don't have to pay peanuts. They should pay whatever rate American citizens are willing to work for. Without illegals depressing the wages these jobs would attract a lot of Americans, not just from the welfare line. Add to that, teenagers and college students.

I agree with those points.

BearFlag, the illegals are taking jobs away from people all across this country. Southern Idaho(hence Larry Craig's support of the bill) is nothing but illegals. They have completely taken over a town there. One American had an antique shop and tried to hang on as long as he could, but when he was the only American left on that block, he was forced to close because his customers were afraid to go there.

Texas, illegals set up shops everywhere. Many have tire shops because they can get those easily.

Pasco, Wa. We tried to sell at a flea market there once, but it was all Mexican junk being sold and we bombed.

We sell antiques in the winter. Usually we go to Texas every year and do that big market in Canton. We plan to go again this winter if the price of gas goes down. We tried to do the smaller markets in Texas, but the illegals made it impossible. The word throughout the market is, that Hispanics are told if they are going to steal, to steal from a white person.
So we had to stop doing the smaller markets.

A great deal of this is claim is totally unsubstantiated. Senator Sanders (I-VT) just presented alot of labor statistics yesterday on the Senate floor. What the illegal aliens did to our labor industry was deflate the wages earned with a surplus of these low-end workers who would do the work without any benefits or compensational benefits.

We have the US Chamber of Commerce perpetuating this myth of undesirable jobs. The myth can be busted with facts. Many of the jobs that illegals are doing are low-wage, low-education jobs that are considered 'menial labor'. Jobs such as hotel maids, farm laborers, construction laborers, etc. By using illegals, the wages can dip lower than what had been, then remain low for illegal full-timers without giving benefits or any compensation for injuries on the jobs. Basic supply and demand of economics is what this labor surplus is about.....and who does this benefit? BUSINESS, NOT PEOPLE.

Of course, the government doesn't tell us about how these illegals are being misused, or poorly treated doing these jobs. The sad thing is that the illegal aliens are often desperate and some are contract-bound and unable to leave the job until their contractual obligations have been met. Don't get me wrong -- they have to accept their own consequences, but their actions have affected the labor economics and wages of American citizens and our rights to work.

Just today, Lou Dobbs showed that the latest Business Week has a feature article on outsourcing. He said it was an excellent article -- can't wait to read it.

Well, I can remember when construction used to be a good paying job for average Americans, but the wage has been driven down so low, an American can't feed his family on it.

This is the sad part of this whole thing. Many baby boomers got sold out in that market.

Originally Posted by tinybobidaho

BearFlag, the illegals are taking jobs away from people all across this country. Southern Idaho(hence Larry Craig's support of the bill) is nothing but illegals. They have completely taken over a town there. One American had an antique shop and tried to hang on as long as he could, but when he was the only American left on that block, he was forced to close because his customers were afraid to go there.

Right. I should have said "wherever illegals are, they dominate certian fields." Your right, its not just the Southwest any more. But in many parts of the country, there are still very few illegals--thank God. So, corporate America would have us believe that agriculture, construction, and house-cleaning simply does not exists in vast sections of the nation

So when illegals enter a community, the Chamber of Comerce would have us believe, Americans magically stop doing certain forms of work. Not true. We are under-cut by illegal wages--and I do mean ILLEGAL WAGES BY ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS--making these jobs unattractive because of wage depression.

According to a Pew Hispanic study, there is not one field of employment where American citizens are not the vast majority of the work force. And according to Harvard economist, and respected immigration specialist George Borjas, illegals depress wages for the average American born male by $1,700 annually.

Another myth important to point out: "Without illegals, consumer goods would be unaffordable."

The truth is that if we increased agricultural wages by 40% a family of four would pay an extra $10.00 for ALL produce consumed for an ENTIRE year. This study was conduced by agricultural economist Phillip Martin. Martin also concluded that we could DOUBLE the wages in these fields, and still not see any significant effect on prices.

Its all lies. Lies peddeled by the lobbies, the media, and the government over and over and over. Like a mantra until they are talking points that everyone simply believes. But its all bull sh*t. Our economy does NOT need illegal immigration at all. In point of fact (borrowed from Lou Dobbs ) it is a major strain on our economy, and especially our middle-class.

I've heard that illegals working in construction make very good money. There are illegals there who are now setting up and running their own residential framing crews with business licenses, etc. A big work truck passed by on the highway with all its writing in Spanish. I believe he sold nails and other stuff for framing but not sure as I couldn't read a word on the truck!

Originally Posted by hattiecat

I've heard that illegals working in construction make very good money. There are illegals there who are now setting up and running their own residential framing crews with business licenses, etc. A big work truck passed by on the highway with all its writing in Spanish. I believe he sold nails and other stuff for framing but not sure as I couldn't read a word on the truck!

Goes to show the logical extension of letting illegals into the industry. Now they even own businesses No doubt employing illegals to out-compete contracters who abide by the law. It is FACT that illegals have driven down the wages in construction in California and Arizona by about $5.00/hr.