Thread: Just In Case You Were Having Doubts

Originally Posted by JuniusJnr

Some of my friends who are nurses cant find jobs, because the pay is too low, and keeps getting lower as foreign nurses are hired because hospitals say they cant find American nurses available. Its a crock.

One thing I have never been able to figure out about Americans is why they would rather not have a job at all than work for ten bucks an hour. I hear so many people say it that it begins to disturb me. Seems to me less money is better than none. What the hell happened to our values? Are we going to continue to sit around and let outsiders take our jobs because we think we are too good to work?

In defense of the hospitals, they are already facing bankruptcy for giving out free medical care. How can they pay everyone premium wages on top of that and still stay in business? Some may claim to be non-profit but they still can't start printing up money to make the payroll if they fall short.

Oh, I didnt say that the nurses I know did not want the jobs. They are being displaced by foreigners with questionable backgrounds, who take the jobs for cheaper salaries.
I am sorry you get so "disturbed" by people who demand a respectable wage. Americans have wonderful values and work ethics. I dont think people are sitting sround letting outsiders take their jobs. Unfortunately, alot of these people have no choice because their jobs are being taken away from them by unreasonable employers that are looking to replace them with cheaper slave labor.
I am not looking for an arguement from you, but for some reason I get the sense that you are channeling your anger at me and not at the problem being discussed.

thats a great one Brian - please please can we have a barf bucket >|?

Every H1B visa that is allowed puts an American, usually a high tech worker, out of work.

When you phone your elected Representatives, ask them where in the Constitution it allows them to be a Employment Agency for foreign workers.
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great concise idea Truism![/b]

Yes, we need the little blue barf baby on the forum!

Well, the one thing I've never understood about some Americans is why they won't stand up for their fellow citizens if they are in a lower income group. I see this attitude on other forums from high tech workers who 6 months ago didn't see any problem with immigration, until this week when one had to assist in the lay off of 400 high tech workers whose jobs were being shipped to India.

He thinks he's going next.

Anyone want to wager?

When high income workers don't see the problem with displacing low income or low tech jobs, then they are carving their own tombstones.

It's been the American Citizen Policy throughout our great history to advance the wages and salaries of all Americans no matter the work, no matter the task, no matter the group, no matter the wage.

What makes us Americans is that we are never satisfied and always want more for ourselves and our fellow citizens.

We have a dignity that applies to every American. That dignity is what has made this nation what it was and will hopefully be again but is not presently, the greatest nation in the world.

Every job matters and every dollar of wage matters and every American decides whether or not it is fair or right or acceptable. When it doesn't set well, tell them to take that job and shove it. That's our style. It's why we are not yet a third world nation of Globalist Slaves and I pray to God we've got the national gumption to prevent that day.

How dare any American question why another American finds a job offer or a salary or a wage unacceptable?

All I can suggest to these folks is:

Wait until it's your turn...it won't be long now.

I only had to wait 6 months for the High Tech Worker to discover his Reality. He's now posting on another forum "We've got to save our High Tech Jobs Now".

Yeah, well, fool...when you didn't stand up for your manufacturing base and let all the workers that comprised it go down the tubes, you were eliminating your own job by relocating your own industry to Other Lands.

Wake Up America!

EVERY JOB MATTERS BECAUSE EVERY AMERICAN MATTERS.

Originally Posted by Judy

When high income workers don't see the problem with displacing low income or low tech jobs, then they are carving their own tombstones....How dare any American question why another American finds a job offer or a salary or a wage unacceptable?

Hi Judy,

Today's high tech workers (and former IT workers) include Americans who were formerly on the textile assembly lines in Cincinati and other places - then they were told, in the 70's and 80s, that future programming jobs would be secure. There are millions of IT workers out there who have done time in the unemployment lines. There are a significant percentage who are over 40 and now victims of AGE DISCRIMINATION as they are coerced to train they young replacement from India just prior to being fired.

Judy, you correctly argue that many former IT workers are not being sympathetic enough to the delima of lower income Americans who are being replaced by illegals. May I submit: Some compelling reasons that a public outcry is not taking place (that the community of fired IT workers is not vocal enough) so much is that:

-- IT workers are inexperienced in complaining to the public
-- IT workers, just fired, are in a crisis job search mode where they have to devote every waking hour to try to find new work, and to liquidating their assets (selling their homes if they can).
-- IT workers have been told (over and over) by the press, by economists, by companies, by elected officials, to relax because new work awaits them in nanotechnology. They were lied to 'cause those jobs went to Wiprospectramind, Infosys, and Tata of Bangalore, India (those companies openly brag about it in the press).
-- A very significant percentage of IT workers were utterly humiliated by "knowledge transfer,"where they trained their replacement from India and then they were escorted off the property by security guards. Those who refused to do so were fired without unemployment beneffits. It still happens today and many can't deal with the trauma.

This explains: http://www.vdare.com/letters/tl_052103.htm

These are people who's lives have been destroyed; they're trying to deal with it and piece together a lower income life, and, unfortunately, they don't have time to call their elected officials on the carpet or they don't know how, or they don't think it will do any good. After their unemployment runs out, they are no longer counted by DOL as unemployed, so the figures are way worse than our elected officials tell us.

All I can suggest to these folks is:

Wait until it's your turn...it won't be long now.

Judy, IT workers are well aware (as conveyed many times on Lou Dobbs), that our middle class is under a multi-pronged attack:

Offshoring - Predicted to totally eliminate America's IT profession:
H-1B's, Indentured H-1Bs, and Illegal H-1Bs who forgot to go home.
Illegal Aliens from the South
L-1's and L-1's who forgot to go home
The 16.5 million new H-5Bs who will arrived under the Kennedy McCain Amnesty Bill.

Judy, IT workers know (or they soon will know) that their future low income jobs will involve competing with illegal aliens (in places like McDonalds, Walmart, day labor sites, etc).

Yeah, well, fool...when you didn't stand up for your manufacturing base and let all the workers that comprised it go down the tubes, you were eliminating your own job by relocating your own industry to Other Lands.

Not sure, Judy, we want to blame just the victims - victims who were lied to. Look to past administrations (both Democrat and Republican) who sucked up to Communist China, who made false promises to textile workers. Now, they're groveling to India (right, Senator Cornyn?). Senator Cornyn doesn't know who his constituants are - he thinks his constituants reside in the state of Andhar Pradesh, India. Right, Senator?

C'mon, Judy, you identify the problem well, but include all the players, not just victims who aren't vocal enough.

Originally Posted by Coto

The 16.5 million new H-5Bs who will arrived under the Kennedy McCain Amnesty Bill.

Correction: The figure is 36.5 million new H-5Bs, if Kennedy and McCain have their way.

Last spring, Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison went to the floor after everyone had left and submitted an unopposed request for 50,000 MORE H-1B visas for foreign nurses. Which eliminated any possibility of raises for our nurses.

My aunt was an RN......working 12 hour days...taking crap from doctors who thought they were gods...she's a very emotionally mature person but the workload plus the hours of paperwork caused her to retire early. They were always shorthanded b/c the pace is desperate and many of the younger nurses found they couldn't handle it after training.

The payscale has become too low to attract many young people to train for nursing. Just import some foreigners..and bingo...the problem is solved. Or is it?

RR

Oh, I didnt say that the nurses I know did not want the jobs. They are being displaced by foreigners with questionable backgrounds, who take the jobs for cheaper salaries.
I am sorry you get so "disturbed" by people who demand a respectable wage. Americans have wonderful values and work ethics. I dont think people are sitting sround letting outsiders take their jobs. Unfortunately, alot of these people have no choice because their jobs are being taken away from them by unreasonable employers that are looking to replace them with cheaper slave labor.
I am not looking for an arguement from you, but for some reason I get the sense that you are channeling your anger at me and not at the problem being discussed.

Whoa, Butterbean. I wasn't picking on you. I was making an observation. I can tell you that here, if you want to work, you take the wage offered or you don't work. I was brought up by people who believe that it is better to work for any wage than refuse to work at all. Here, if people refuse to take the jobs for the wages offered, then they go to illegals. That is exactly what is going to happen with the rest of the country, and, quite obviously it is happening where you are. That was all I said.

It doesn't disturb me that the people want a decent wage. It disturbs me that they sit back and let other people have the jobs they are qualified to do rather than stay in the workforce and work together to demand a decent wage! I just don't understand that mentality.

Here is what prompts me to say this: A couple who lives in one of my houses can't pay their rent yet refuse to even apply for any job that pays them less than they think they are worth. I got so sick of them making excuses why their rent check is late month after month that I sent them want ads out of their local paper, showing them that I know there are jobs available. Their response was they they won't work for ten bucks an hour. Personally, I think that attitude invites illegals to apply for and get even more jobs.

I'm sorry you saw it as some sort of a personal attack. It wasn't meant that way. It is my opinion that we allow this to happen time and again.

I know how frustrating it is to pound the pavement looking for a job in an area where wages are depressed to a point where minimim wage is the norm. I live in such an area! And I'm talking about Federal Minimum Wage. I think this state's minimum is 20 cents above federal. Our hospitals, our banks, our stores and even our schools are filled with incompetent people thanks to that scenario and I have no illusions as to how it came to pass.

Once the anti-Americans gain a foothold, they work to persecute others until they leave, paving the way for even more of their own. Why people give up and refuse to stay in there and fight the people they outnumber will forever remain a mystery to me.

If you don't already have the problems I'm about to describe, you soon will.

Our labor laws are geared to protect "minorities." That is no surprise. But do you realize that illegals with fake papers are filing discrimination claims and getting Americans fired every day in this country? For every American worker they get booted out, for every American worker they goad into quitting, there is one more job for their own. They have a good racket going on printing up all those false documents and they are using them to our disadvantage while we sit around and let them because we want more money.

Everyone wants more money. And do you think that after they take over all the jobs, they won't strike or do something to get more money? Don't kid yourself. That is another reason I see this business about refusing jobs in a depressed economy as cutting off our noses to spite our faces. I can see first hand what is in store for the rest of the nation.

The payscale has become too low to attract many young people to train for nursing. Just import some foreigners..and bingo...the problem is solved. Or is it?

Roadrunner, the same holds true for teachers and others in the educational profession. But we still can't just let them have those jobs wile we slither away and lick our wounds. That doesn't make any sense at all to me.

I don't particularly like going to a hospital or a doctors office where I'm the only one who speaks English. But I see how it came to be that way.

When high income workers don't see the problem with displacing low income or low tech jobs, then they are carving their own tombstones.

Judy, this is one of the most astute observations I've EVER seen with regard to the subject of jobs. I'm proud of you