Thread: Just WHO messed it up for "Native Americans?"

Like it or not, European civilization has the majority of inventions that have improved and will continue to improve the lot of mankind. Anthropologists and their liberal shills like to point out how the "white man" has eliminated a lot of cultural traditions of indigenous people that would greatly benefit the human race. Yeah, there are sometimes some folkloric traditions by which cultures have adjusted; they know things about herbs, animals, seasons, weather. These are all approximations---like merely hitting the target but not the bullseye.

Western civilization was able to sustain centers of learning that slowly weeded fact from fiction. Indigenous cultures may have a trial and error knowledge of what seems to produce a result--we have the periodic table of elements and the laws of physics and mathematics so we know just why those results occur and how to extrapolate from them. They see things in visions--we see things through the science of optics, into both the infinitesimally small and the infinitely large. They communicate through handed down traditions--we communicte through global media. They accede to dictators---we remove them.

I could go on comparing the achievements of Western culture vs. indigenous culture. The fact that there is a much greater trend for people to flee those other cultures for ours, and very few going the other way except in a philanthropic relationship, says it all.

You know...I've said this, like, a ZILLION times, but I'll say it again.

Illegal immigrants who demand that the U.S. was stolen from them by Europeans, and that it's THEIR land, and we should all go back where we came from...are talking out their noses (and they know it).

Let's say we DID go back to Europe. Let's say we left the U.S. as we found it...vast and basically void of civilization?

You know what would happen? The backward, uneducated, STUPID illegals would just turn it into another Mexico. And then they'd simply FOLLOW US to Europe!!!

They don't give a damn about the land. They have leeched onto the American system...our U.S. government who gives them handouts, and U.S. employers who love to exploit them for their cheap labor.

They know it's not the land they want. They want to latch onto the American system and milk it for all they can get....why??? Because they're losers, and they're too stupid and backward to build their own successful country!!!

Bowman said , in part,

"Also, these open border maniacs overlook that the Indians displaced earlier settlers, some of them from Europe, who I call Cimmerians"

This is quite true; I number among my friends some full and part blood Cherokee, some of whom have been kind enough to share some of their culture and folklore with me. According to one of them, there is a Cherokee legend that some 12,000 years ago, the Cherokee, a Souian people related to the Oglala and Lakota, moved east, then south, to the Quallah Boundary area where they eventually settled. There, so the story goes, they encountered a tribe of blonde-haired, blue-eyed, white-skinned people, which the Cherokee fought, conquered and displaced. Might this have been an earlier group, that somehow crossed the ice sheet from northern Europe sometime before? It's quite possible, as I am told this story far predates any contact between the Cherokee and white Europeans in the last 500 years.

In any event, the claims that "North America was our land for 40,000 years" on the part of some of the "Aztlan" crowd is quite ridiculous, and like the "go back to Europe" comments, simply a pretext to rationalize the taking of what they want.

Sofedup,

If you happen to have another conversation with that individual, along the same lines, direct him here: www.badeagle.com/html/burn_flag.html

This is quite true; I number among my friends some full and

part blood Cherokee, some of whom have been kind enough to share some of their culture and folklore with me. According to one of them, there is a Cherokee legend that some 12,000 years ago, the Cherokee, a Souian people related to the Oglala and Lakota, moved east, then south, to the Quallah Boundary area where they eventually settled. There, so the story goes, they encountered a tribe of blonde-haired, blue-eyed, white-skinned people, which the Cherokee fought, conquered and displaced. Might this have been an earlier group, that somehow crossed the ice sheet from northern Europe sometime before? It's quite possible, as I am told this story far predates any contact between the Cherokee and white Europeans in the last 500 years.

THERE WERE PEOPLE HERE WHEN THE "NATIVE AMERICANS" CAME HERE FROM ASIA. REMAINS HAVE BEEN FOUND THAT PRE DATE AMERICAN INDIANS. GOOGLE "KENNEWICK MAN" OR "SPIRIT CAVE MAN".

AT THE END OF THE DAY IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHAT HAPPENED HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO. ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE DEAD AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH US REALLY. THIS IS NOW.

AND I LAUGH WHEN HISPANICS (WHO ARE PART SPANISH) WHINE THAT THE WHITE EUROPEAN INVADED AND STOLE THEIR LAND.

WHAT DO THEY THINK THE SPANISH DID TWO HUNDRED YEARS PRIOR TO THE ARRIVAL OF THE WHITE EUROPEAN? THEY INVADED THE AMERICAS.

SO THEY ARE MAD BECAUSE THE LAND THEY STOLE WAS STOLEN FROM THEM? ACTUALLY THE LAND THAT WAS LOST TO THEM, WAS EVENTUALLY LOST BY THEM.

THEY SHOULD GROW UP AND ACCEPT THAT THEIR ANCESTORS LOST THE LAND. THEY HAVE NO CLAIM TO THIS LAND.

CRY BABIES.

AND AS FAR AS THE SO CALLED NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS ARE CONCERNED....THEY ALSO LOST THE LAND BECAUSE THEY FAILED TO CONTROL IMMIGRATION.

THE REAL NATIVE AMERICANS ARE THOSE WHO WERE BORN HERE.

Why do we have to prove anything to them? We can just show them the door (and it will be us that has to do this). In this situation, right makes might and vice versa. We The People want it that way.

I AGREE. THE PAST IS ONLY THE PAST. RIGHT NOW THE LAND BELONGS TO WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

THAT IS THE WAY IT STANDS TODAY. WE DONT WANT ILLEGALS IN OUR COUNTRY. PERIOD. WE DONT NEED DISCUSSIONS AND REASONS. THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY AND WE WANT THEM TO GO.

I DONT SEE WHY THIS IS A PROBLEM FOR THEM SINCE THEY DONT LIKE US ANYWAY.

WE ARE NOT ABOUT TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE THE AMERICAN INDIAN MADE. NO WAY.

Speaking of messing it up for American Indians: www.desertinvasion.us/invasion_pictures ... ohono.html

YES AND I HAVE READ MANY ARTICLES ON THE TRASHING OF THE INDIAN RESERVATIONS BY ILLEGAL ALIENS FROM MEXICO. WALL TO WALL GARBAGE THAT THE RESERVATION ADMINISTRATORS MUST ARRANGE TO CLEAN UP. MAYBE BEFORE WE DEPORT PEOPLE WE SHOULD MAKE THEM SPEND ONE OR TWO DAYS CLEANING UP THE AREA TRASHED BY ILLEGALS.

Gadfly, this is really interesting about the pre-indian inhabitants. Do you have any links for me that I can read more about this?
First Nations. Thats what part of my mothers family comes from. In 1634 one of her ancestors came from La Rochelle France to what is now Nova Scotia. He settled there with his wife. Down through the decades, the Mi'qmak converted to Roman Catholicism and intermarried frequently with my mothers Acadian ancestors as well as most of the other families.

As with many Americans, we too are a mixed bunch. Many Americans have numerous racial genetics flowing in their veins now, some will outwardly show it, some will not.

What makes all Americans "native" is that we were born and raised here, generation after generation. Nowhere else is home, and no one outside of this citizenry has ANY rights to this land.

I'm a native American.

I was born here.

I am careful in the use of everything I take from the environment.

Once me and some friends wrestled a Space Program out of it and put a man on the moon.

I think maybe there has always been struggles over land world wide.

I don't remember a government turning on its own people to help the invaders until it happened here. Now I look around and its been happening to many good people in many countries of the world.

We are going to have to restore law and order in our government before we can restore order in our streets.

It may take many of the, "We the Peoples" of the world uniting together to get the job done.