Thread: MSNBC Is Bush Relevant Can He Recover

Originally Posted by Kate

Crocket, I noticed you didn't list Bush Sr. Is this because he has been wholeheatedly for a one world order? If past presidents have had bad things happen to them, and if Bush 1 was fully aware of this stealth agenda, why would he want to bring his son into the middle of such a dasdardly plot? He really believes in this and wants his son to finish what he started?

No, it's because he, Carter and Ford were one-termers. These are guys who believe that they will have a second term and get short-circuited by the electorate, so they never have a no-risk term.

CrocketsGhost wrote

..JFK was assassinated in his second term

Wasn't JFK elected in 1960? He was assasinated on November 22, 1963. He was killed in his first term. If you can remember, he gave a speach at Columbia University. He warned the American people of the 'secret societies' that are seeking to undermine our freedom and our standard of living. From what I understand, JFK was killed shortly after joining the Council of Foreign Relations.
I believe that JFK was speaking of the societies we suspect of cohersion today. Groups like Scull and Bones, the Masons, the Rhoades Scholar Society, CFR, and others are part of what is happening today. I believe that JFK didn't want to go along with their agenda so they killed him. He even warned us of them. He started moving the country and captured the young in a way that no other President has (I loved PT-109!). He may have not been perfect, but I believe that Kennedy was the last great President with any intestinal fortitude.. all others after him have caved in to these secret societies. When Kennedy died, this country's freedom started to erode. America died with him, only its taking longer for Freedom, bless her heart. Wish something would come along to prove me wrong.

Originally Posted by Rockfish

CrocketsGhost wrote

..JFK was assassinated in his second term

Wasn't JFK elected in 1960? He was assasinated on November 22, 1963. He was killed in his first term. If you can remember, he gave a speach at Columbia University. He warned the American people of the 'secret societies' that are seeking to undermine our freedom and our standard of living. From what I understand, JFK was killed shortly after joining the Council of Foreign Relations.
I believe that JFK was speaking of the societies we suspect of cohersion today. Groups like Scull and Bones, the Masons, the Rhoades Scholar Society, CFR, and others are part of what is happening today. I believe that JFK didn't want to go along with their agenda so they killed him. He even warned us of them. He started moving the country and captured the young in a way that no other President has (I loved PT-109!). He may have not been perfect, but I believe that Kennedy was the last great President with any intestinal fortitude.. all others after him have caved in to these secret societies. When Kennedy died, this country's freedom started to erode. America died with him, only its taking longer for Freedom, bless her heart. Wish something would come along to prove me wrong.

Sorry, you are correct. But JFK's fatal mistake was crossing the banks with the creation of the US Note. It was fiat currency issued by the Treasury rather than by the Fed. The first official act of LBJ after the assassination was the revocation of the EO creating the US Note. That being the case, on must wonder who drafted LBJ's EO, given that the assassination was supposed to have been an unexpected event and that JFK had certainly had no such EO drafted that would revoke what to him was a very important order.

In response to your notion that American died with JFK, I would say that you are off by at least decades and more likely by about a century. The death knell of the republic created by the Founding Fathers was the treachery of Lincoln and his upending of the principles of the Declaration of Independence, which plainly stated the right and indeed the obligation of the People to cast off a government that no longer served them. Lincoln's reign of terror and the "Reconstruction" that followed was the birth of tyranny and of runaway federalism and the death of states' rights and therefore the rights of the citizens thereof. FDR completed the treachery by converting a once-free republic into a socialist fiefdom. It's all been downhill since then.

From watching MSNBC tonight, they indicated that President Bush is sending a message to them that he is still the decider. I wonder if they are going to send the same general message back to him or what?
Of course, as we all know they disagree at least on the war.

I think that it is worth mentioning that we have a very liberal media. No matter where we get our news from, I think it is important to understand where their loyalties lie and where their interests are. If we had a news media that slanted to the right, our perceptions might be entirely different.

CrocketsGhost wrote

...Lincoln's reign of terror and the "Reconstruction" that followed was the birth of tyranny and of runaway federalism and the death of states' rights and therefore the rights of the citizens thereof. FDR completed the treachery by converting a once-free republic into a socialist fiefdom. It's all been downhill since then.

Our founding fathers created a pure democratic and free republic. I believe as time went by, becuase there are those who would and have taken advantage of the system, that certain laws had to be inacted in order to look out for the general population. I don't think that the Reconstruction period or the implementation of the Social Security system is hardly comparable to the NAU, loss of eminate domain and a host of other freedoms that have or are being put on the chopping block today. Your point of view Crocket, comes from a different philosophy than mine..but I'll be the first one to defend your right to your own..if you get my drift.

Originally Posted by Rockfish

CrocketsGhost wrote

...Lincoln's reign of terror and the "Reconstruction" that followed was the birth of tyranny and of runaway federalism and the death of states' rights and therefore the rights of the citizens thereof. FDR completed the treachery by converting a once-free republic into a socialist fiefdom. It's all been downhill since then.

Our founding fathers created a pure democratic and free republic. I believe as time went by, becuase there are those who would and have taken advantage of the system, that certain laws had to be inacted in order to look out for the general population. I don't think that the Reconstruction period or the implementation of the Social Security system is hardly comparable to the NAU, loss of eminate domain and a host of other freedoms that have or are being put on the chopping block today. Your point of view Crocket, comes from a different philosophy than mine..but I'll be the first one to defend your right to your own..if you get my drift.

The nation as it existed under Lincoln had nothing to do with the nation to which our fathers compacted under the Constitution. The nation's charter, the Declaration or Independence, clearly enunciated the right and indeed the obligation to secede once a government no longer served the needs of a people. What's more, the Reconstruction made a mockery of the constitutional amendment process when it required as a condition of readmission and the restoration of voting rights that states ratify two amendments to the Constitution. Now, if the states were not states, they certainly should not have been voting on amendments. If they were states, only the worst sort of tyranny could have suspended their rights contingent upon forced alteration of the law of the land.

Since the Reconstruction, this nation has been on a destructive course of concentration of power and socialism. Period. States' rights died with the Civil War and a federalist system was foisted upon the citizenry. As a consequence of that disastrous war, bankers rather than the Treasury gained control of and destroyed our monetary system. And the one good thing that came from that war and all the blood that it shed, the abolition of slavery, is scarcely appreciated, as demonstrated by another thread on this very site that attempts to repeat the popular claim (particularly among minorities and Liberals) that ALL white Americans have a burden of guilt because of slavery. I would say that cost in blood of the bloodiest war in American history should have absolved this nation and everyone in it of that sin, yet even that one noble aspect of that otherwise abominable war of tyranny is made void.

I place Lincoln among the great tyrants such as Stalin and Hitler, and I am not engaging in hyperbole. He may not have killed quite as many people, but he subverted a system of government, grossly exceeded the authority granted his office, and is guilty of starting a war that was the single largest cause of loss of life in the history of this nation. No foreign enemy has ever perpetrated a minute fraction of the mayhem that Sherman wrought at his master's behest. Because of the violence Lincoln did to our system of government, we are STILL suffering the effects of his tyranny today, and Heaven knows how much worse things would have been had not John Wilkes Booth relieved the nation of its tormentor.