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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBueno
    Why doesn't he suspend his campaign indefinetly!
    This would be even better NoBueno.

    How much money has McCain accepted from the same special interests that he is now (opportunistically) criticizing. And it's been reported that at least 83 lobbyists working for the McCain campaign have in recent years lobbied for the financial industry he now attacks:

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    Quote Originally Posted by working4change
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    Im with you on this. We are so screwed! I feel like checking out of society and getting that 100 acres in Montana! Mad
    Sounds wonderful!
    I've been threatening this for years now, maybe it's closer that I think!
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    Has it occurred to anyone that his concern for the well-being of our economy could actually be genuine. Is it actually a stretch to believe that someone could put country before campaign?

    I don't like McCain much either but I don't presume to know what's in his heart. Sure, this could be a calculated attempt to bump the polls, however, it could also be a case of knowing and understanding priorities.

    SicNTiredInSoCal wrote:

    I feel like checking out of society and getting that 100 acres in Montana!
    I hope you won't be in need of a bank loan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SicNTiredInSoCal
    I hate to admit this, (choke, gag) but from my observation McCain has shown a LOT more class than Barakula has. It seems he takes the lead a lot better and quicker.
    Yep, McCain definitely jumps in the mix. Barakula needs his teleprompter for good results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SicNTiredInSoCal
    Quote Originally Posted by working4change
    Sickntired wrote
    Im with you on this. We are so screwed! I feel like checking out of society and getting that 100 acres in Montana! Mad
    Sounds wonderful!
    I've been threatening this for years now, maybe it's closer that I think!
    Make sure you have cash and hard assets. Your money won't be worth much. Now that we do not back our debt or anything with gold we're in trouble. We keep sending billions to countries that hate us for our energy. That money could be used her for jobs for our own energy resources. The ban on off-shoring drilling expires this week. Let's see what happens.
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    Obama rebuffs McCain's call to delay debate

    Obama rebuffs McCain's call to delay debate

    By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
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    NEW YORK - The economic crisis and raw politics threatened to derail the first presidential debate as John McCain challenged Barack Obama to delay the Friday forum and join forces to help Washington fix the financial mess. Obama rebuffed his GOP rival, saying the next president needs to "deal with more than one thing at once."


    The White House rivals maneuvered to claim the leadership role in resolving the economic turmoil that has overshadowed their campaign six weeks before Election Day. Obama said he would proceed with his debate preparations while consulting with bailout negotiators and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson. McCain said he would stop all advertising, fundraising and other campaign events to return to Washington and work for a bipartisan solution.

    "It's my belief that this is exactly the time when the American people need to hear from the person who, in approximately 40 days, will be responsible for dealing with this mess," Obama said at a news conference in Clearwater, Fla. "It's going to be part of the president's job to deal with more than one thing at once."

    But McCain said they must focus on a bipartisan solution to the nation's financial woes as the Bush administration's $700 billion bailout proposal seemed headed for defeat. If not, McCain said ominously, credit will dry up, people will no longer be able to buy homes, life savings will be at stake and businesses will not have enough money to pay workers.

    "It has become clear that no consensus has developed to support the administration's proposal," McCain said. "I do not believe that the plan on the table will pass as it currently stands, and we are running out of time."

    Sen. Lindsey Graham, McCain's representative in debate negotiations, said McCain will not attend the debate "unless there is an agreement that would provide a solution" to the financial crisis. Graham, R-S.C., told The Associated Press that the agreement would have to be publicly endorsed by Obama, McCain, the White House and congressional leaders, but not necessarily given final passage by the House and Senate.

    Asked whether the debate could go forward if McCain doesn't show, Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs replied, "My sense is there's going to be a stage, a moderator, an audience and at least one presidential candidate."

    Their competing positions came after the two senators spoke privately, each trying to portray himself as the bipartisan leader in a time of crisis.

    McCain beat Obama to the punch with the first public statement. He said he had spoken to President Bush and asked him to convene a leadership meeting in Washington that would include him and Obama.

    Even as McCain said he was putting the good of the country ahead of politics, his surprise announcement was clearly political. It was an attempt to try to outmaneuver Obama on an issue in which he's trailing, the economy, as the Democrat gains in polls. He quickly went before TV cameras minutes after speaking with Obama and before the two campaigns had hammered out a joint statement expressing that Congress should act urgently on the bailout.

    And while McCain's campaign said he would "suspend" his campaign, it simply will move to Washington knowing the spotlight will remain on him no matter where he is.

    Obama, too, made a political calculation by rejecting McCain's challenge while trying to still appear on top of the problem. Obama repeatedly stressed at his news conference that he called McCain first to propose that they issue a joint statement in support of a package to help fix the economy as soon as possible. He said McCain called back several hours later, as Obama was leaving a rally in Florida, and agreed to the idea of a statement but also said he wanted to postpone the debate and hold joint meetings in Washington.

    Obama said he suggested they first issue a joint statement showing bipartisanship.

    "When I got back to the hotel, he had gone on television to announce what he was going to do," Obama said.

    McCain said he would return to Washington after addressing former President Clinton's Global Initiative session in New York Thursday. He canceled his planned appearance Wednesday on CBS' "Late Show With David Letterman" program and a meeting with the prime minister of India.

    McCain called Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to propose that joint meetings with Obama and congressional leadership be held quickly, according to leadership aides. Reid spokesman Jim Manley said Reid responded by reading McCain his public statement, in which he said it would not be helpful to have the candidates come back during negotiations and inject presidential politics.

    The Commission on Presidential Debates and the University of Mississippi, the site of the forum, said they were moving forward with plans for the debate.

    McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin, was canceling her limited campaign events. Palin said in an interview with CBS Evening News Wednesday that the country could be headed for another Great Depression if Congress doesn't reach a solution.

    McCain adviser Steve Schmidt would not say how long the suspension would last but indicated it would go through the weekend, in order to reach agreement on a deal before the markets open on Monday.

    McCain has struggled with how to handle the financial situation, which he might escape with modest political damage if he and Obama could reach some type of accord on the matter.

    Scores of congressional Republicans have hinted this week they may oppose the proposed $700 billion bailout even though it is Bush's priority. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., pointedly suggested that Democratic lawmakers could not be expected to back it if McCain did not publicly do so.

    That leaves McCain with two unpalatable choices. He can oppose a major Republican initiative that the administration says is essential to preventing a full-blown recession, and risk heavy blame if the prediction comes true. Or he can vote for an extraordinarily costly bailout, which many Americans seem to resent, just when polls show him falling farther behind Obama.

    Several GOP lawmakers and strategists said they see no way that McCain can oppose the main elements of the bailout plan and present himself as a bold leader. He must say, "we need to get this done for the future of our country," said John Feehery, a former aide to top Republican lawmakers. "Country first," Feehery said, noting McCain's campaign slogan.

    But McCain might reap few political rewards for such a move.

    Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla., said he has not found any Republican colleagues who say the proposed bailout "is popular in their district."

    Of course, Obama also risks angry voter reactions if he supports the bailout plan. But he could frame his stand as bipartisan statesmanship, whereas McCain's vote could be spun as another example of his siding with Bush, a major impediment to his campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gogo
    Quote Originally Posted by SicNTiredInSoCal
    Quote Originally Posted by working4change
    Sickntired wrote
    Im with you on this. We are so screwed! I feel like checking out of society and getting that 100 acres in Montana! Mad
    Sounds wonderful!
    I've been threatening this for years now, maybe it's closer that I think!
    Make sure you have cash and hard assets. Your money won't be worth much. Now that we do not back our debt or anything with gold we're in trouble. We keep sending billions to countries that hate us for our energy. That money could be used her for jobs for our own energy resources. The ban on off-shoring drilling expires this week. Let's see what happens.
    I heard on the news today that Pelosi has agreed to let that ban expire. Anyone hear this?
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    tinybobidaho wrote:

    I heard on the news today that Pelosi has agreed to let that ban expire. Anyone hear this?
    Yep, there was an article in my local paper today concerning the issue. It would appear as if the Democrats are finally folding to the Republicans and the American public on the drilling issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW
    Has it occurred to anyone that his concern for the well-being of our economy could actually be genuine. Is it actually a stretch to believe that someone could put country before campaign?

    I don't like McCain much either but I don't presume to know what's in his heart. Sure, this could be a calculated attempt to bump the polls, however, it could also be a case of knowing and understanding priorities.
    MW, I agree. After all, aren't these two guys still U.S. Senators until one of them is elected President? It is their JOB to be there, to actually PARTICIPATE in the process of something we are being told is so important to the survival of our country. Whatever McCain's motives, at least he's THERE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW
    tinybobidaho wrote:

    I heard on the news today that Pelosi has agreed to let that ban expire. Anyone hear this?
    Yep, there was an article in my local paper today concerning the issue. It would appear as if the Democrats are finally folding to the Republicans and the American public on the drilling issue.
    Unfortunately, not completely. They did not lift the ban on the "within 50 miles" That's where most of the oil is. It's a sham. I saw a retired Shell Executive on Glenn Beck last night. He pulled no punches. He even tells on the oil companies. He did say he worked with Palin in Alaska and he said, "she won't roll for anyone." "You can work with her and she listens and we got the job done." NOW if her stance on illegal immigration is what we want and "she won't roll for anyone" that is sounding real good to me. We can pray for a miracle.
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